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mariuszj1939
01-09-2008, 12:41 PM
I met two alone BB (Hood and Nelson) in GWX 2.0 without any escort or inside convoy.
Is it new version of GWX task force ??? (or something similar like Far East visit of two British BB - later on sunk by Japanese airplanes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif)
HMS Hood
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9289/91136403qr4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
HMS Nelson
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8382/t1zc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Fireworks on Nelson
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7136/t2zt5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Kaleun1961
01-09-2008, 01:26 PM
Nice work! The task force you are referring to consisted of Prince of Wales and Repulse, known as "Force Z." It was caught at sea, without air cover, by Japanese land-based bombers and sunk. The Japanese later flew a plane over the site and dropped a wreath, out of respect for the Royal Navy. The British had trained the Japanese navy prior to WW2; the Japanese navy adopted many of the traditions and ways of the Royal Navy.

Celeon999
01-09-2008, 01:39 PM
Good work ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

geoffwessex
01-09-2008, 03:37 PM
In the case of the Prince of Wales and Repulse, they were in fact escorted by three destroyers at the time of the attack, though they were without air cover. They were originally to have been with HMS Indomitable, but she had an accident on the way out (via the Caribbean) and was delayed. There should, in theory, have been aircraft at Singapore able to assist as well, but they had far too short a range for the operation.

The purpose of 'Force Z' was to try to disrupt the Japanese invasion of Malaya but, having missed the Japanese invasion fleet, they were in fact returing to Singapore.

It has to be said that neither capital ship was in a proper condition for the engagement - Prince of Wales had no working radar and several electrical defects (which made damage control useless) and Repulse had not had the extra strengthening that her sister ship the Renown had (like 'anti-torpedo blisters').

But, even with already stretched resources in the Atlantic and Med, there just had to be a British naval presence in the East and, not for the first time, or last, it was a gamble that the British government were willing to take with servicemen's lives. Above that, though, only three Japanese aircraft were shot down - gun crews pressed into service without enough training or experience.

Kaiser_W
01-09-2008, 03:44 PM
In addition to the already preceeding information, I'd like to add that the british were under the impression that japanese level bombers did not have the range to intercept Force Z and failed to properly coordinate fighter escorts.

geoffwessex
01-09-2008, 06:01 PM
Originally posted by Kaiser_W:
In addition to the already preceeding information, I'd like to add that the british were under the impression that japanese level bombers did not have the range to intercept Force Z and failed to properly coordinate fighter escorts.

There were no fighter escorts to coordinate. An RAAF squadron of (not very good) Brewster Buffalo aircraft went out to the scene of battle but arrived too late and only just had enough fuel to return home. I think the British senior naval officers simply decided that their anti-aircraft battery would cope. There were two small destroyers with the BBs during the attack - one, the Vampire, already over 25 years old of WW One design and one E Class, the Electra. Another E Class, Express, had been detached to investigate probable Japanese ships and was still away, and a fourth, the ageing Tenedos, had already turned back to Singapore due to shortage of fuel.