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3.JG51_BigBear
02-24-2006, 01:49 PM
Does anyone have any links to some good resources on this plane or maybe just a rundown on the models we have in game? Thanks

TX-Zen
02-24-2006, 01:51 PM
I don't have any links, but I know the models we have in game can run down just about anything http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif



PS Tell Hunde to get his arse back online

3.JG51_BigBear
02-24-2006, 02:17 PM
He, he, I knew that...that's why I'm asking.

JtD
02-24-2006, 02:21 PM
Have you checked the ingame database? What questions does it leave unanswered?

Low_Flyer_MkVb
02-24-2006, 02:55 PM
http://www.pioneeraero.co.nz/lavochkin_history.htm

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/lavochkin_la-7

http://www.answers.com/topic/lavochkin-la-5

http://www.kotfsc.com/aviation/la5.htm

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-24-2006, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by TX-Zen:
I don't have any links, but I know the models we have in game can run down just about anything http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif



LOL...everyone knows, Lavochkin = teh good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

anarchy52
02-24-2006, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
LOL...everyone knows, Lavochkin = teh good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Mmm, used to be true. Sure they climb like K4, slightly slower then dora, but Spit is teh new best, be sure

ImpStarDuece
02-24-2006, 04:44 PM
Someone on the Aces High board did a really good Web-page on the La-5/7 a while ago, using Russian flight tests:

La-5fn & La-7 History and performance (http://www.btinternet.com/%7Efulltilt/Lavochkin.html)

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-24-2006, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by anarchy52:
Mmm, used to be true. Sure they climb like K4, slightly slower then dora, but Spit is teh new best, be sure

I won't debate that for a second, but for me the la's are much better gun platforms (not to mention more ammo too) and have better aileron control, if marginal, at the speeds I typically fight at.

msalama
02-24-2006, 06:12 PM
[DELETE] Some stupid unneeded garbage deleted...

VW-IceFire
02-24-2006, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
Does anyone have any links to some good resources on this plane or maybe just a rundown on the models we have in game? Thanks
Try Googling La-5FN or La-7. There aren't many links and most of them aren't in English but there are a few.

From what I gather in books and websites there are some interesting facts about this series.

The La-5 was more or less just a radial fitting on a LaGG-3 design. They lessened the weight a bit along the way and tossed in the engine. The new engine was spectacular and gave the airframe the power it needed. So they pushed forward with more production and refinements in the La-5F and later the La-5FN. The La-5FN was probably the best of the line in terms of the La-5 series. Basically it was designed with enough engine boost and firepower to run down FW190A's (particularly the jabo versions which were a real concern for the VVS) and then shoot them down. Of course they were highly agile as they were lightweight (not alot of fuel, guns, ammo, or extras) and had leading edge slats.

The La-7 was a La-5FN with vastly improved aerodynamics. The engine was the same but the end result was a faster aircraft that was even lighterweight. They were also fairly sturdy, when they were put together properly, as the design lent itself fairly well to absorbing more than a few hits. Of course if you got one that wasn't put together properly it'd just as likely fall apart flying in a straight line.

The downsides of the entire series were poor cockpit and cockpit conditions (heat), carbon monoxide leakage which caused more than a few fatalities, in general the quality control on some of the aircraft was poor and only slowly improved, and I think there was mention of difficult takeoff characteristics with the high horsepower (same as any high performance prop).

In-game the Lavochkin series are awesome contenders because range and low ammo capacity is not usually a dogfight server issue while speed, agility, climb and hitting power are. Its very much built to do one thing and not much else.

Lavochkins didn't have to intercept high flying strategic bombers, drop large bombs, or do any of the things that the FW190 and Bf109 were called on to do. Its a straight tactical fighter and thats it...and it does it pretty well.

SnapdLikeAMutha
02-25-2006, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Someone on the Aces High board did a really good Web-page on the La-5/7 a while ago, using Russian flight tests:

La-5fn & La-7 History and performance (http://www.btinternet.com/%7Efulltilt/Lavochkin.html)

Interesting reading, it's made me think a bit.

Many of the things which undoubtably contributed to the success or failure of an aircraft are things that can't really be modelled in a sim, things like reliability, quality control, ease of production/maintainance, and particularly pilot comfort (something which AFAIK US planes were particular good for and Russian planes particularly bad for). You can have the most amazingly fast, agile and well-armed fighter in the world but if it's mentally and physically fatiguing to fly you're going to get pwned by someone flying a heated armchair with climate control, satnav and cable TV.

A computer game basically concentrates on representing flight characteristics and can't really represent these things. Until we create computers which hurl us about in our seats, shake us to pieces and spew exhaust gasses in our face we're never REALLY going to get an accurate representation of what was going on in the sky back then.

Something to remember when beeyotching about which planes are porked/uber/overmodelled/not killing Tigers like they should

3.JG51_BigBear
02-28-2006, 10:12 AM
Is the La5FN in game the 43 or 44 version. I think the date given in game is 1943 but its performance seems much closer to that of the 44 model.

alert_1
02-28-2006, 12:41 PM
AFAIK, '44 version, '43 LA5FN had horrible problems with overheating and max. power with "forsazsh" (1850hp) was more "virtual" then anything else.. (only 2min. and undr 2500m)

horseback
02-28-2006, 01:14 PM
I seem to remember a quote to the effect that "...any La 5 that doesn't bounce on landing isn't an La 5--it's a Focke!"

cheers

horseback