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SneakySoft
02-28-2010, 03:08 AM
***THIS TOPIC CONTAINS SPOILERS***

What if Sarah was still alive and working for a secret agency. They faked her death etc... That would be cool right? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Aj6627
02-28-2010, 03:14 AM
Psst. She still is alive according to a video online.

SneakySoft
02-28-2010, 03:17 AM
OMG... SPOILER ALERT!!!
I'm just kidding http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Could you post a link to that video?

Aj6627
02-28-2010, 03:34 AM
It was on gametrailers, I believe but I think it was taken down after Quid Pro Kuo locked the thread it was posted in.

Aj6627
02-28-2010, 03:41 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1091065/m/9831010108 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5271091065/m/9831010108)

There's the thread it was posted in. The video has since been made private, probably because of the Ubi censorship regime.

JAHman28
02-28-2010, 05:16 AM
wow...

update thread title to have some spoiler warning plz

newhenpal
02-28-2010, 06:51 AM
That would be incredibly lame and very uncool...and not at all out of their frame of logic.

MidwayWuzzupman
02-28-2010, 07:10 AM
idk that would seem possible and an interesting twist. What would seem logical is if Sarah faked her death to become an agent for Third E, that way by when Sam (eventually) dies in the series we can play as his daughter and add to her story... Of course this might run the series a little too long don't you think? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

SplinterCell472
02-28-2010, 11:49 AM
Thought had been kidnapped? Am I missing something?

Rea1SamF1sher
02-28-2010, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by SplinterCell472:
Thought had been kidnapped? Am I missing something?
The mobile phone version spoils that she isn't dead. She was kept hidden or was kidnapped.

donngold
02-28-2010, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Andre202:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SplinterCell472:
Thought had been kidnapped? Am I missing something?
The mobile phone version spoils that she isn't dead. She was kept hidden or was kidnapped. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who cares what the mobile phone version says? It also has sam shooting at a plane with a rocket launcher.

Rea1SamF1sher
02-28-2010, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by donngold:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andre202:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SplinterCell472:
Thought had been kidnapped? Am I missing something?
The mobile phone version spoils that she isn't dead. She was kept hidden or was kidnapped. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who cares what the mobile phone version says? It also has sam shooting at a plane with a rocket launcher. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
There are alot who care. I am talking here about the story not about the gameplay. We know that Sam won't swim, too...

sumoaltus
02-28-2010, 01:49 PM
I'm definitely thinking she was kidnapped. IMO, I think that Lambert may have messed up in Double Agent. I think he told Sam the news too soon, and it was 3E who had captured her after all. This could possibly play a role in his capture on the last JBA HQ mission on DA?

Anyway, we won't know until the game is released. But something fishy is definitely going on, and if you read the books, Lambert seemed a bit too loyal to 3E, regardless of the circumstances.

For all of you that read Operation Barracuda, think About when Sam's new love, Katia, was accidentally shot.

SneakySoft
02-28-2010, 02:03 PM
How about if doubles returns in the flashback sam fisher has. I know he was killed in chaos theory but it would be cool to see how good of a friend he was before that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xx_Redex_xX
02-28-2010, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by donngold:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andre202:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SplinterCell472:
Thought had been kidnapped? Am I missing something?
The mobile phone version spoils that she isn't dead. She was kept hidden or was kidnapped. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who cares what the mobile phone version says? It also has sam shooting at a plane with a rocket launcher. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4602/samheli.png

RaulO4
02-28-2010, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by Xx_Redex_xX:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by donngold:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andre202:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SplinterCell472:
Thought had been kidnapped? Am I missing something?
The mobile phone version spoils that she isn't dead. She was kept hidden or was kidnapped. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who cares what the mobile phone version says? It also has sam shooting at a plane with a rocket launcher. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4602/samheli.png </div></BLOCKQUOTE>lol XD rofl

omg!!! ahahHhahahahahahahaha

Joshua Morrison
02-28-2010, 11:33 PM
You laugh now I can't wait to see the posted about he rocket luncher boss battle. It's going to be priceless. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

gytamas88
03-01-2010, 05:02 AM
Originally posted by SneakySoft:
***THIS TOPIC CONTAINS SPOILERS***

What if Sarah was still alive and working for a secret agency. They faked her death etc... That would be cool right? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have a feeling about the same sort of thing. As a matter of fact I'm thinking that in the countdown trailer when someone is pointing a silenced, laser sighted gun at Sam in the White House's conference room, its Sarah. I mean it might be possible, isn't it? + I think Grim was protecting her / training her while she was missing.
At least this is one of my conspiracy theorys for the game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
But if it's the case, I'm so gonna bump my head straight into the wall cause it'd be a stupid storyline. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

oO_ShadowFox_Oo
03-01-2010, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by sumoaltus:
I'm definitely thinking she was kidnapped. IMO, I think that Lambert may have messed up in Double Agent. I think he told Sam the news too soon, and it was 3E who had captured her after all. This could possibly play a role in his capture on the last JBA HQ mission on DA?

Anyway, we won't know until the game is released. But something fishy is definitely going on, and if you read the books, Lambert seemed a bit too loyal to 3E, regardless of the circumstances.

For all of you that read Operation Barracuda, think About when Sam's new love, Katia, was accidentally shot.

3 words.

Body. In. Casket.

Jazz117Volkov
03-01-2010, 08:59 AM
Very. Good. Point.

But I'm sure there will be some sort of explanation... even if it's not a very good one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

DerSeeBaer
03-01-2010, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by Xx_Redex_xX:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by donngold:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andre202:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SplinterCell472:
Thought had been kidnapped? Am I missing something?
The mobile phone version spoils that she isn't dead. She was kept hidden or was kidnapped. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who cares what the mobile phone version says? It also has sam shooting at a plane with a rocket launcher. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4602/samheli.png </div></BLOCKQUOTE>http://s5b.directupload.net/images/100301/mcmce5me.jpg
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Si1entDark
03-01-2010, 09:16 AM
^^^^

Sam used telekinesis to blow up that chopper http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Mark and Explode™

Rea1SamF1sher
03-01-2010, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Si1entDark:
^^^^

Sam used telekinesis to blow up that chopper http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Mark and Explode™
Lol
This will be the next new feature in HAWX (if a new title is planned). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SilencedScream0
03-01-2010, 12:40 PM
...
Getting back on topic now...

I didn't see the video myself, as it was taken down from Youtube, but some have suggested that Sam's daughter was in one, and from the way they talked about it, it wasn't a flashback.

So, if I had to venture a guess, Grim's secret (which is an achievement)...
Sam's daughter is still alive and Grim knows it.
Or Grim knew that Sam's daughter's death wasn't an accident.


Not a big deal in either situation I think, but it'd suggest a lot of heartache and anger for Sam. Her death was the reason he was willing to do everything in the Double Agent game - he felt he had nothing left to risk.

I could be completely wrong, though.

As for her body being in a casket, I don't recall ever actually seeing it (though it's been a while since I played through DA). I'm sure they could use a weak excuse such as Sam never identifying the body and having a closed-casket funeral. It's not far-fetched, but it'll make me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

gytamas88
03-01-2010, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by SilencedScream0:
So, if I had to venture a guess, Grim's secret (which is an achievement)...
Sam's daughter is still alive and Grim knows it.
Or Grim knew that Sam's daughter's death wasn't an accident.
Play through the mobile game if you can (or watch it being played through on youtube). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Originally posted by SilencedScream0:
As for her body being in a casket, I don't recall ever actually seeing it (though it's been a while since I played through DA). I'm sure they could use a weak excuse such as Sam never identifying the body and having a closed-casket funeral. It's not far-fetched, but it'll make me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

What you were saying raised a question in me:
Could anyone tell me what exactly happens in Essential's Cemetery scene? I never had the chance to play SCE but I know that the game begins with Sam sneaking into a cemetery to see his daughter's grave. Was it opened for any reasons in the game? Or was Sarah being shown actually dead? I know Sarah <span class="ev_code_RED">*Spoiler*</span> <span class="ev_code_WHITE">is alive in the mobile game</span> but it'd be interesting if she was portraied realy dead in SCE. (Btw no casket in the PC version of DA I'm 100% sure.)

Xx_Redex_xX
03-01-2010, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by gytamas88:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SilencedScream0:
So, if I had to venture a guess, Grim's secret (which is an achievement)...
Sam's daughter is still alive and Grim knows it.
Or Grim knew that Sam's daughter's death wasn't an accident.
Play through the mobile game if you can (or watch it being played through on youtube). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Originally posted by SilencedScream0:
As for her body being in a casket, I don't recall ever actually seeing it (though it's been a while since I played through DA). I'm sure they could use a weak excuse such as Sam never identifying the body and having a closed-casket funeral. It's not far-fetched, but it'll make me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

What you were saying raised a question in me:
Could anyone tell me what exactly happens in Essential's Cemetery scene? I never had the chance to play SCE but I know that the game begins with Sam sneaking into a cemetery to see his daughter's grave. Was it opened for any reasons in the game? Or was Sarah being shown actually dead? I know Sarah <span class="ev_code_RED">*Spoiler*</span> <span class="ev_code_WHITE">is alive in the mobile game</span> but it'd be interesting if she was portraied realy dead in SCE. (Btw no casket in the PC version of DA I'm 100% sure.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've beat SC:E Very little in the opening scene has to do with Sarah. You visit her tomb stone on the anniversary of her death 1 year after Double Agent everything beyond that is about Third Echelon using Sarah's grave site as a ploy to capture Fisher and interrogate him later throughout the game.

In other words all you see is her tombstone.

gytamas88
03-01-2010, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Xx_Redex_xX:
I've beat SC:E Very little in the opening scene has to do with Sarah. You visit her tomb stone on the anniversary of her death 1 year after Double Agent everything beyond that is about Third Echelon using Sarah's grave site as a ploy to capture Fisher and interrogate him later throughout the game.

In other words all you see is her tombstone.

So no casket and no dead body, thx, that's what I was interested in. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

sammyboy1981
03-01-2010, 08:49 PM
Please don't suggest that since "all we see is her tombstone" in Essentials (whose canon is questionable), that she isn't logically dead. We see her get run over in the Double Agent cutscene...we see her frozen in the headlights in the Conviction trailer, and there's never even the most reote suggestion of that in Essentials or DA. If logic were to continue (heaven forbid)...we would have to assume Sam ID'd the body upon his return from the Iceland mission.

Nope. Sarah is dead... and if she's not she better be a zombie.

gytamas88
03-02-2010, 04:11 AM
Originally posted by sammyboy1981:
Please don't suggest that since "all we see is her tombstone" in Essentials (whose canon is questionable), that she isn't logically dead. We see her get run over in the Double Agent cutscene...we see her frozen in the headlights in the Conviction trailer, and there's never even the most reote suggestion of that in Essentials or DA. If logic were to continue (heaven forbid)...we would have to assume Sam ID'd the body upon his return from the Iceland mission.

Nope. Sarah is dead... and if she's not she better be a zombie.

"Logically" speaking yes (from what was said in the previous SCs) she is dead but from what I've and many of us seen in the mobile game she is more than alive and that's my source of this thought and not the fact that only her tombstone was shown in SCE or that she was never shown dieing or being dead. + As this is a video game unless we see a footage of someone dead we cannot be 100% sure that he or she realy is. It's the same case with Lambert, but the only difference between him and Sarah is that he was never in the mobile game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

convictionfan
03-02-2010, 11:12 AM
*****WARNING END-GAME SPOILER ALERT*****


SAM DIES.

SARAH'S A MUTENT ALIEN AWRHG RAWR N0MN0MN0M!

MR.MILKYWAY MAN RULES THE WORLD.

G'day.

oO_ShadowFox_Oo
03-02-2010, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by gytamas88:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sammyboy1981:
Please don't suggest that since "all we see is her tombstone" in Essentials (whose canon is questionable), that she isn't logically dead. We see her get run over in the Double Agent cutscene...we see her frozen in the headlights in the Conviction trailer, and there's never even the most reote suggestion of that in Essentials or DA. If logic were to continue (heaven forbid)...we would have to assume Sam ID'd the body upon his return from the Iceland mission.

Nope. Sarah is dead... and if she's not she better be a zombie.

"Logically" speaking yes (from what was said in the previous SCs) she is dead but from what I've and many of us seen in the mobile game she is more than alive and that's my source of this thought and not the fact that only her tombstone was shown in SCE or that she was never shown dieing or being dead. + As this is a video game unless we see a footage of someone dead we cannot be 100% sure that he or she realy is. It's the same case with Lambert, but the only difference between him and Sarah is that he was never in the mobile game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That mobile game is a piece of parody and not meant to be taken seriously.

Also, Sam left for a mission and was pulled straight out of it because of her death. There is no way he didn't see her. There was NO ONE else to claim the remains so it is completely and utterly illogical to think that he would not have buried her.

He had to have seen her in a casket. There is no other way around it.

She is dead and if she's not, then Ubisoft have got to hiring the worst story writers ever.

FrankieSatt
03-02-2010, 02:16 PM
She has to be dead. Anything else it assinine. Never mind, we are talking about a dev team who said they were "Frustrated" with previous Splinter Cell games so I guess anything is possible.

I still stand my first sentance. She has to be dead, if not than this dev team is even more incompetent that I have been thinking they are.

Rea1SamF1sher
03-02-2010, 04:09 PM
There are possibilities that Sam didn't saw Sarah. We don't know that at all because the story off DA has his lacks or perhaps these story were supposed to be there? It's not clear when he told Sam that she is dead and actually Lambert was around Sam when he has done the Ice mission. We don't know if Lambert planned to tell Sam that she is dead or if he is surprised by this message too. From the time Sam last saw Sarah til Sam flys back to the HQ can happen alot. I don't know if they will really answer this questions we have since DA. I hope the comic will do it but I doubt it.

From the dates when he made the mission and when Sarah supposedly died, Sam get into the JBA thing right after he knew from Sarah's Death. An agency xould influence the of the autospy and you won't see the body a long time not. I seen such things happened with my uncle, they didn't give out the body a long time. So he won't be buried til they give the body. It could be that Sam was in Ellsworth when she was "buried".

sammyboy1981
03-02-2010, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
She has to be dead. Anything else it assinine. Never mind, we are talking about a dev team who said they were "Frustrated" with previous Splinter Cell games so I guess anything is possible.

I still stand my first sentance. She has to be dead, if not than this dev team is even more incompetent that I have been thinking they are.

I'm afraid, FrankieSatt...why would this dev team bring her death into the storyline??? It makes no logical sense UNLESS they bring her back. (shutters)

I'd love to see this dev team play through Hitman or something...they wouldn't make it 10-seconds before starting to "run" and shoot everyone. The mere mention of changing outfits would probably shock them too.

FrankieSatt
03-02-2010, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by sammyboy1981:I'm afraid, FrankieSatt...why would this dev team bring her death into the storyline??? It makes no logical sense UNLESS they bring her back. (shutters)

I'd love to see this dev team play through Hitman or something...they wouldn't make it 10-seconds before starting to "run" and shoot everyone. The mere mention of changing outfits would probably shock them too.

You don't have to bring her back, her death is what he's investigating when he found some evidence of it being murder than an accident. It's very easy to bring her death into the Story Line and have here stay dead. To me it makes the most sense for her to still be dead.

oO_ShadowFox_Oo
03-02-2010, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by Andre202:
There are possibilities that Sam didn't saw Sarah. We don't know that at all because the story off DA has his lacks or perhaps these story were supposed to be there? It's not clear when he told Sam that she is dead and actually Lambert was around Sam when he has done the Ice mission. We don't know if Lambert planned to tell Sam that she is dead or if he is surprised by this message too. From the time Sam last saw Sarah til Sam flys back to the HQ can happen alot. I don't know if they will really answer this questions we have since DA. I hope the comic will do it but I doubt it.

From the dates when he made the mission and when Sarah supposedly died, Sam get into the JBA thing right after he knew from Sarah's Death. An agency xould influence the of the autospy and you won't see the body a long time not. I seen such things happened with my uncle, they didn't give out the body a long time. So he won't be buried til they give the body. It could be that Sam was in Ellsworth when she was "buried".

I can see what you're saying, but that really can't be the case. Lambert was in the Osprey (for whatever stupid reason the director of operations would be IN THE FIELD), which means that he flew out especially to tell Sam the bad news that she was dead. Sam would have also deployed for that mission the day before hand, which means she died while he was in the field.

If that's the case then Sam has to go back home to debrief after the mission. There is clearly a period of time when Sam is getting into street fights/drinking too much and punching mirrors.

There also needed to be ample time for Sam to be discharged from the NSA, set up his cover as a criminal and perform the armed robberies that he was eventually incarcerated for. The JBA job would also need a huge amount of planning prior to even that stage. This would require a large break in time from the time of her death to the point where Sam is jailed.

A body is normally buried within the week of death.

No, it's quite simple. Sam was on a mission while Sarah was killed, he came home and like any father would do, he would confirm that it's her, gather the remains, put her in a coffin and bury her. There is no way around it. No Third Echelon conspiracy that makes sense that 'maybe they could have switched the bodies'. None.

sammyboy1981
03-02-2010, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by FrankieSatt:
You don't have to bring her back, her death is what he's investigating when he found some evidence of it being murder than an accident. It's very easy to bring her death into the Story Line and have here stay dead. To me it makes the most sense for her to still be dead.

Sorry, but it can't be that simple. They've clearly indicated that her "death/murder/whatever the hell you want to call it" is part of some larger conspiracy. Now, if you can explain why you'd kill an innocent girl so that something can happens 2-3 years later wih her father, than fine...but it seems to me this story is gonna hinge around stringing Sam along for as long as possible. The best way to do that is to surprise him with her potentially still being alive. Can there be any other explanation?

And I agree, her staying dead would be the most sensible thing...but given what we've seen I don't think "logic" is part of this games vocabular.

Rea1SamF1sher
03-03-2010, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by oO_ShadowFox_Oo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andre202:
There are possibilities that Sam didn't saw Sarah. We don't know that at all because the story off DA has his lacks or perhaps these story were supposed to be there? It's not clear when he told Sam that she is dead and actually Lambert was around Sam when he has done the Ice mission. We don't know if Lambert planned to tell Sam that she is dead or if he is surprised by this message too. From the time Sam last saw Sarah til Sam flies back to the HQ a lot can happen. I don't know if they will really answer this questions, we have since DA. I hope the comic will do it but I doubt it.

From the dates when he made the mission (3rd September 2007) and when Sarah supposedly died (7th September 2007), Sam get into the JBA thing right after he knew from Sarah's Death. An agency could influence the time of the autopsy and you won't see the body a long time. I have seen such things happened with my uncle, they didn't give out the body a long time. So he won't be buried til they give the body. It could be that Sam was in Ellsworth when she was "buried".

I can see what you're saying, but that really can't be the case. Lambert was in the Osprey (for whatever stupid reason the director of operations would be IN THE FIELD), which means that he flew out especially to tell Sam the bad news that she was dead. Sam would have also deployed for that mission the day before hand, which means she died while he was in the field.

If that's the case then Sam has to go back home to debrief after the mission. There is clearly a period of time when Sam is getting into street fights/drinking too much and punching mirrors.

There also needed to be ample time for Sam to be discharged from the NSA, set up his cover as a criminal and perform the armed robberies that he was eventually incarcerated for. The JBA job would also need a huge amount of planning prior to even that stage. This would require a large break in time from the time of her death to the point where Sam is jailed.

A body is normally buried within the week of death.

No, it's quite simple. Sam was on a mission while Sarah was killed, he came home and like any father would do, he would confirm that it's her, gather the remains, put her in a coffin and bury her. There is no way around it. No Third Echelon conspiracy that makes sense that 'maybe they could have switched the bodies'. None. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's a bit curious, I think. Lambert was the whole time in the Osprey when Sam did the mission. The video after Sam finished his mission shows that he is angry that the mission didn't go the way they planned. John was killed and there is no sign that at this moment Lambert told him anything about the Death. I have fixed my post with specific dates. We don't know where Sam was while she had the accident. Now in the story they tell that he was already nearly 6 months in Ellsworth in the prison. The mission in the prison is on the 21st February 2008. If you take almost 6 months away from this date, it would be right after Sarah's death or about that time.

Now the old gen version is really confusing. In the old gen version you could say that Lambert said him that she is dead. There he made the mission on the 4th January 2008 and Sarah died on this date too. He begin the mission in Ellsworth on th 16th November 2008. So they only had to bring the stone on his place when Sam did his mission. Though it would be a short autopsy.

At the end I can only say it's just a few possibilities. I don't know what happened and which story timeline they take. Though I have nothing against that she isn't dead.

joefoshow95
03-04-2010, 05:01 PM
i bet grim made sam believe she was dead so sam would do what grim says.

this is why i feel so......

1. One of the achievements is to discover grim's dark secret.

2. Since there is a plot to assassinate the president, grim needed sam because he was the only one who could protect the president.

so there is why i feel that either grim killed sarah or made sam believe that sarah was death. (either way the pieces fit)

SNSReaperSNS
03-04-2010, 05:16 PM
It could be that Sam was in Ellsworth when she was "buried". sam had accepted the mission after she was burried (i thought). i thought thats why they showed him gettin into street brawls and other stuff.

crazyfool94
03-06-2010, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by oO_ShadowFox_Oo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gytamas88:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sammyboy1981:
Please don't suggest that since "all we see is her tombstone" in Essentials (whose canon is questionable), that she isn't logically dead. We see her get run over in the Double Agent cutscene...we see her frozen in the headlights in the Conviction trailer, and there's never even the most reote suggestion of that in Essentials or DA. If logic were to continue (heaven forbid)...we would have to assume Sam ID'd the body upon his return from the Iceland mission.

Nope. Sarah is dead... and if she's not she better be a zombie.

"Logically" speaking yes (from what was said in the previous SCs) she is dead but from what I've and many of us seen in the mobile game she is more than alive and that's my source of this thought and not the fact that only her tombstone was shown in SCE or that she was never shown dieing or being dead. + As this is a video game unless we see a footage of someone dead we cannot be 100% sure that he or she realy is. It's the same case with Lambert, but the only difference between him and Sarah is that he was never in the mobile game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That mobile game is a piece of parody and not meant to be taken seriously.

Also, Sam left for a mission and was pulled straight out of it because of her death. There is no way he didn't see her. There was NO ONE else to claim the remains so it is completely and utterly illogical to think that he would not have buried her.

He had to have seen her in a casket. There is no other way around it.

She is dead and if she's not, then Ubisoft have got to hiring the worst story writers ever. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.she is dead. lambert said so and they pulled sam from that mission because she got ran over and killed. the whole point of conviction is to find out who killed her and why. its someone who obviously knows sam and hates him. i have a feeling 3E was behind it.....that SOB Williams!!!!!

digital_player
03-06-2010, 06:34 PM
my first thought was that Third Echelon kidnapped her and told Sam she was dead, so he would infiltrate the JBA.

I'm getting more convinced with every video.
Especially after the Story trailer

SPOILER!


Grim: "If you wanna find out more about your daughter, you'll do what we say."
Sam: "I Don't do that sort of thing anymore"
Grim: "You're not out. Only one hint about Sarah, and you would dove right back in"

After that, i was totally convinced

SierraJohn117
04-09-2010, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by digital_player:
my first thought was that Third Echelon kidnapped her and told Sam she was dead, so he would infiltrate the JBA.

I'm getting more convinced with every video.
Especially after the Story trailer

SPOILER!


Grim: "If you wanna find out more about your daughter, you'll do what we say."
Sam: "I Don't do that sort of thing anymore"
Grim: "You're not out. Only one hint about Sarah, and you would dove right back in"

After that, i was totally convinced


we used to have the same avatar

RaulO4
04-09-2010, 10:49 AM
player

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif spot on

SierraJohn117
04-09-2010, 12:43 PM
SARAH.IS.DEAD


as the guy way above me posted , the point of conviction is to find out who killed sarah and why, sarah is DEAD
we have established that, cutscenes shows her getting runover and then a big meaty slammming sound to the pavement is heard, SHE IS DEAD.

i think lambert killed her lol

Walkerdragon
04-09-2010, 03:59 PM
Haha, go me with just joining. I needed to voice my opinion though. If you've all seen the opening where it shows Grim apparently "shooting" Sam...Maybe she was protecting him from Sarah. Think of it, They told her maybe that HE was dead, then she found out and wanted revenge. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif