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Zeus-cat
06-11-2009, 10:22 PM
We finally started riveting the B-17 pilot seat together. These photos are from a few weeks ago.

Here is Frank using the rivet squeezer. We usually don't use this as we feel we get better results with him using the riveting gun and me bucking the rivets. All the silver and copper clecos are in holes that need to get rivets. There are a lot of rivet holes that don't have clecos as well.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/Zeus-cat/IMG_2536.jpg

Here is a photo of the seat with many of the rivets installed in the front of the seat pan.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/Zeus-cat/IMG_2539.jpg

Here is the bottom of the seat pan showing my most excellent bucking efforts. Have you ever seen better looking bucked rivets on the bottom of a B-17 seat? I bet most of you have not!

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/Zeus-cat/IMG_2542.jpg

Progress has slowed somewhat. We spent 6-8 manhours tonight (June 11th) and managed to only get one rivet in. Pretty crappy job of it too. We tried a number of different things and just couldn't get any of them to work. We put the rivet in, had one problem or another with it, drilled it out, and tried again and again. We finally just mashed the rivet in and said that will have to do.

Everything on this seat has been fabricated by hand. Our references have been the original Boeing assembly drawings and some photos we took of the seats from the Memphis Belle. We took the photos when Frank, his son Adam and I went over to the National Museum of the US Air Force and met Roger Deere in the restoration area.

Roger actually stopped by our project tonight and brought his dog Winston.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/Zeus-cat/IMG_2252.jpg

Frank has been hassling me to get these pictures posted and really wants to see your comments. He is not a member of this forum, but checks in on all my posts about this project.

Choctaw111
06-12-2009, 11:02 AM
I thought you meant "riveting" photos that were so good that I just couldn't stop looking at them.
Now I see you meant actually riveting the B17. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Zeus-cat
06-12-2009, 12:04 PM
I cetainly hope I didn't mislead anyone by the title of the thread. That was not my intention. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

FI_Airway_FI
06-13-2009, 01:40 PM
Thanks for sharing.

Here's how they did it, some 65ish years ago:

http://www.abload.de/thumb/b17rivete38a.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b17rivete38a.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/b17rivet2x0av.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b17rivet2x0av.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/b17rivet3g28r.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b17rivet3g28r.jpg)

The pictures are property of http://www.shorpy.com/

Maybe they are of use for you.

Too bad that so few documents and production instructions are left of the old birds.

It's good to see that there are still a few people working on it.

Keep up the good work !

Cheers !

steiner562
06-13-2009, 03:36 PM
Great pics fellas,love topics like this.

general_kalle
06-13-2009, 03:40 PM
lol Winston..like Churchill is always compared with a british Bulldog http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

M_Gunz
06-13-2009, 05:05 PM
Churchill had the face for it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ffb
06-13-2009, 05:34 PM
How many rivets in a B-17?
I suppose nowadays they would be spot welded?
Must have added a lot of weight...

Skunk_438RCAF
06-13-2009, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by ffb:
How many rivets in a B-17?
I suppose nowadays they would be spot welded?
Must have added a lot of weight...

Rivets are still very widely used in modern aircraft construction. Spotwelding is a rather difficult process to implement in aircraft production, thus it isnt very popular.

Rivets are just simpler, not to mention that if you want to repair or replace a section of skin you can just drill the rivets out. Spot welds are pretty much permanent.

Choctaw111
06-13-2009, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by FI_Airway_FI:
Thanks for sharing.

Here's how they did it, some 65ish years ago:

http://www.abload.de/thumb/b17rivete38a.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b17rivete38a.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/b17rivet2x0av.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b17rivet2x0av.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/b17rivet3g28r.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=b17rivet3g28r.jpg)

The pictures are property of http://www.shorpy.com/

Maybe they are of use for you.

Too bad that so few documents and production instructions are left of the old birds.

It's good to see that there are still a few people working on it.

Keep up the good work !

Cheers !

These photos are great. Thanks.

Zeus-cat
06-13-2009, 07:26 PM
How many rivets in a B-17?

Technically speaking it would be a s#!tload.

We spent weeks drilling out all the rivets on the wings and fuselage when they first arrived. It alsmost seemed like a never ending task.

Stallwort
06-13-2009, 08:54 PM
This post reminded me of something Walt Disney produced to keep his studio busy during WWII. He had a contract with Uncle Sam that pd him by the foot of film produced. It's interesting to think that the same hands that drew Snow White made this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IagmAgHvcWQ

Ritter_Cuda
06-13-2009, 11:11 PM
cool vid

jarink
06-15-2009, 01:23 PM
Cool, Zeus! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

It's great to see any progress made on restoring a B-17.

Zeus-cat
06-20-2009, 09:14 AM
I must apologize for hurting an innocent party. The dog's name is Monty, not Winston as I previously stated. For shame, for shame.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/Zeus-cat/IMG_2252.jpg

No new photos as this week as even though I took the camera, I forgot to put a memory card in it.

wheelsup_cavu
06-22-2009, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Stallwort:
This post reminded me of something Walt Disney produced to keep his studio busy during WWII. He had a contract with Uncle Sam that pd him by the foot of film produced. It's interesting to think that the same hands that drew Snow White made this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IagmAgHvcWQ
Cool video.
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Looking forward to the next pics Zeus-cat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Wheelsup