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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 06:33 AM
two words "online play" he has to keep the allied flyers happy becuase if he didnt pump the allied planes and nerf the german planes ,,pound for pound, the allied flyers would be going down in flames too much and would quit the game .. the german flyers would be tearing up the scene if the game's FM was 100% historical...its a smart business decision for oleg.

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 06:33 AM
two words "online play" he has to keep the allied flyers happy becuase if he didnt pump the allied planes and nerf the german planes ,,pound for pound, the allied flyers would be going down in flames too much and would quit the game .. the german flyers would be tearing up the scene if the game's FM was 100% historical...its a smart business decision for oleg.

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 06:34 AM
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You're not serious are you? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Nuts!

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 06:36 AM
Congradulation on winning "Funniest Post Of the Week" Contest /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 06:41 AM
you guys can laugh all you want.. i am dead serious... if oleg didnt alter the planes like this.. 90% of the allied planes would not be flown therefore all those planes fans would not buy the game think about it

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 06:43 AM
If you can`t beat soviet bird in german bird... i donno what to say.

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Dark_Knight_667
09-07-2003, 06:46 AM
Dude..Oleg tries to model the aircraft accurately. Changes in other parts of the code affect how the game engine reads the FM

The latest problems reported are BECAUSE UBISOFT RELEASED THE WRONG INTERNAL VERSION OF THE PATCH!!!! Did you get it this time? Or do people on this board have to say it another 20 million damn times before you morons understand

NOW SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 06:48 AM
thats funny coming from somebody who prolly flys a la7 or p39 or something like that

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 07:02 AM
gawker_xy
-- thats funny coming from somebody who prolly flys a la7
-- or p39 or something like that


Stop whining about flying the Fiesler Storch online. How do you do that anyway? I'd love to fly Po~2. And when I do those P11c better not be overmodelled cos you know Oleg is biased in favor of Polish.

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 07:17 AM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- Congradulation on winning "Funniest Post Of the
- Week"

What do you mean, Bf-109 FM is correct??
Why not remove all german planes if you don't have any intention to make them accurate?
We can fly online with Allied fantasy plane set only.


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Message Edited on 09/07/0301:27AM by Huckebein_FW

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 07:44 AM
Huckebein_xy
-- What do you mean, Bf-109 FM is correct??
-- Why not remove all german planes if you don't have any
-- intention to make them accurate? We can fly online with Allied fantasy plane set only.


They already removed the rudder you Noob. Piece by piece, German aircraft are being removed from The Game. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 07:53 AM
Are you guys fecking kidding me LOL... I was forced to fly red for past 3 weeks because not many want to fly reds anymore. Wake up! Look around, you might find FW near by hehehehe.

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 08:08 AM
To be honest <putting fireproof underwear on> I'd been wondering as well whether Maddox was perhaps trying to keep the planes a bit balanced, considering how even when modifying them, they always give a little to the planes, but also always take a little in the same step. I'm thinking of the ME-262 right now, for example.

This could both be an attempt to get the planes realistic, or an attempt at balancing them to an extent. Even the Dora, as good as a plane as it is now, has such weak guns that I don't fly it. I like the big boom of the 108's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

However, one thing is wrong with the theory of the guy who started the thread. Looking at the discussions in this forum and elsewhere (and also what I see among me an my friends) most people seem to want to fly the German planes anyway. Maybe that's why Oleg is simply trying very hard to simulate them to perfection: because they're the most interesting planes for the majority of users?

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 08:14 AM
Dark_Knight_667 wrote:
- Dude..Oleg tries to model the aircraft accurately.
- Changes in other parts of the code affect how the
- game engine reads the FM
-
- The latest problems reported are BECAUSE UBISOFT
- RELEASED THE WRONG INTERNAL VERSION OF THE PATCH!!!!
- Did you get it this time? Or do people on this
- board have to say it another 20 million damn times
- before you morons understand
-
-
- NOW SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!
-
- DK

"accurately" according to what? And, does his data change after every release?

It's hype and nothing but. He has an agenda. Be sure.

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 08:38 AM
AchimT wrote:
- However, one thing is wrong with the theory of the
- guy who started the thread. Looking at the
- discussions in this forum and elsewhere (and also
- what I see among me an my friends) most people seem
- to want to fly the German planes anyway. Maybe
- that's why Oleg is simply trying very hard to
- simulate them to perfection: because they're the
- most interesting planes for the majority of users?


When did Oleg tried to simulate them to perfection?? Each patch brings a new twist on the perfomance. Did Oleg found something new about the performance of ww2 fighters since the last FB variant?? Oh c'mon! Even kids on this forum know by now the exact specs.

How can an 109F4 have an initial climb of 17m/s instead of 22m/s? Or G10 20m/s instead of 24m/s?
It was said thousand of times, here on the forum, before the patch, that La7 and Yak3 turn 360 degrees in 16sec instead of 18.5-19.5 sec. Was this glaring error corrected? Oh yes, of course! now La7 turns in 15 sec!!

There is not a single Bf-109 after the patch that climbs as it should. And if it doesn't climb means that it doesn't accelerated either, climb and acceleration are closely related.
Was there anybody checking the FM before the patch was out? Or was there an intention to cripple the Bf-109?


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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 08:41 AM
Very clever, gwalker.

1. Submit one thread, whine about something, get bashed for whining.

2. Run away, come back later, submit another thread, and whine about something else.

Repeat steps 1~2 as much as needed, and someday, Oleg will be very convinced.

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 08:43 AM
kweassa wrote:
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- Very clever, gwalker.
-
-
- 1. Submit one thread, whine about something, get
- bashed for whining.
-
-
- 2. Run away, come back later, submit another
- thread, and whine about something else.
-
-
- Repeat steps 1~2 as much as needed, and someday,
- Oleg will be very convinced.


Convinced about what?? Do you think that Oleg is not aware of those FM errors?


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Message Edited on 09/07/0302:46AM by Huckebein_FW

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 08:51 AM
LOL!Where do these people come from?! That's right, Oleg hates all German planes and botched them just to make the Luftwhiners mad and hate him even more than they did./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Oleg purposely screws up his own product just to giggle in glee when the "victimized"complain. Oh yeah,and the Feds are coming after ya! Better watch out! Nail the doors!Lol!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Oh,please....

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Message Edited on 09/07/0302:51AM by necrobaron

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 09:02 AM
You can fly red. I'll fly blue. I love my G-14. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 09:35 AM
After watching the development of IL2 and FB for two years now my impression that Oleg really is biased quite a bit is overwhelming. I am very sorry to say so. I would like it not to be so but its evident that most of the time many of the russian planes are extremely overmodelled, look at the damn i-16 with lazerguns and superclimb, if it was really so good they would have stayed with this model in WW2 up to 45...its laughable. Not to mention the LA7 topspeed, climb and handling.The turnrates have been adressed in the post of FW Huckebein. We could go on like that but its useless anyway.
And btw, what i say not only refers to the flawed patch but also to 1.1b. What do we have as LW ?? - castrated 109s (climb and speedwise and handlingwise), a rather fast and good rolling FW which has no serious guns and goes completely unusable as soon as it gets the tiniest hit anywhere. Great.

On the other hand if german planes do get some really nice features they are mostly tuned down as a penalty on the other hand, give them a correct MK108 but take away the climb..etc. and its ridiculous to say Oleg just wants to get them historically right, they change the 109s now with every patch for two years, is their database so faulty ?? I believe they try some crude kind of gamebalancing and they simply dont want the german planes dominating, its simple and its sad...and they NEVER tell us exactly what they changed and why and according to what data...they simply say in their fxcking readme files:And the 109s series has been tweaked a bit more....

Now flame me WS flyers and Oleg devotees.

II/JG54_Zent

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 09:46 AM
Well,I fly almost exclusively Luftwaffe and USAAF airplanes and I still have faith in Oleg. Maybe,you're right,maybe not,but I also think about this:Look at the number of new German aircraft being developed as opposed to Russian ones. Would you say Oleg is adding MORE Luffwaffe birds just so he'll have more to botch? I find that hard to believe. Oleg has stated before that the 109 is his favorite plane to fly. Is he lying? Could be,but to gain what?

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XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 09:53 AM
oleg you'd better make all 109gs only AI.because nobody want to fly them now.

XyZspineZyX
09-07-2003, 10:01 AM
-- look at the damn i-16 with lazerguns and superclimb,

lazerguns


What a Noob. This little runt's climb, along with 109Email, was finally fixed in 1.1b.

Suggestion for the Noob...try a gentle bank cos the AI wastes ammo and will never hit you. Post back later. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif