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stelr
01-02-2005, 11:06 AM
If you haven't seen the below thread by Tagert, it is potentially more important (IMO) than the ones on the F4U (although important also)! He has some very credible data that idicates some need for FM changes in the Zeke. These are important for early war scenerios. Without them, we cannot use the main advantage the early Grumman A/C had over the Zeke...ability to dive out if enough altitude was available.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=8281056742

Thanks for a great sim BTW and taking the time to read and answer on these forums. S!

stelr
01-02-2005, 11:06 AM
If you haven't seen the below thread by Tagert, it is potentially more important (IMO) than the ones on the F4U (although important also)! He has some very credible data that idicates some need for FM changes in the Zeke. These are important for early war scenerios. Without them, we cannot use the main advantage the early Grumman A/C had over the Zeke...ability to dive out if enough altitude was available.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=8281056742

Thanks for a great sim BTW and taking the time to read and answer on these forums. S!

Blackdog5555
01-02-2005, 05:01 PM
Yes, all Zeros seem to be able to keep up with the poor F4F in a dive. Worse part is that that they (Zeros) out roll the F4F in a high speed dive, that is IOW, the moment of inertia for the zero accually get smaller as the Zero goes faster. LOL. and of course, as is known, their is a huge programming model issue with Accelleration below th Horizon (all planes accellerate in a dive about the same, regardless of weight, Mass, Volume, density, Power, and Aerodynamics.) But the "no Redline" F4F now has a Vne (Velocity not exceed) of 400 to 425mph. (wings fall off)..in Pacific Fighters. just to be fair..Since no one complains about zeros performance. the Zeke has been tested doing a 360 turn in about six(plus) seconds. I couldn't get it to do a 360 @195mph /1000meters in less than 8 plus seconds. Both planes need alot of FM work. Some of this cant be fixed.

Blackdog5555
01-02-2005, 05:03 PM
of course i tested the zero full load of ammo.

Dammerung
01-02-2005, 06:40 PM
The AI does CRAZY things with the Zero. I was in a QMB mission, 12 Zeros vs 12 P-38L. A Zero was on my Tail, and I dove. I watched the speed go up... 350mph... 375... 400... 450... Compressability hit me like a ton of bricks. I opened the dive breaks and leveled off, and there was the Zero, right behind me, firing, closing distance.

Another instance, I was in a P-51D, QMB. Altitude was around 20000 feet. A Zero Dove, I went after it. Speed went up to about 700+km/h IAS at 5000 feet. The Zero was in front of me, It pulled up rapidly and broke to the left at a crazy speed... pulled up on the stick and the nose raised about 10 degrees and I blacked out. Zero meanwhile was behind me shooting. Insane. I don't know how much of it has Changed since AEP 2.04(which is what I'm running.)

The Zero is crazy. When piloted by AI, it out accelerates, out dives, and out turns anything at any speed. When I pilot it, it's fine until High Speeds(600ish Kph) when it's elevators should lock up, but it still has quite a bit of elevator authority. But only if you pull straight up, if you roll 90 degrees first and then pull, you get almost nothing.

Blackdog5555
01-03-2005, 01:18 AM
I have the same experience......IRL, it was the only way a WWII pilot escaped a zero if it got on the tail. The Zero Pilot would not follow a Grumman into a dive. The US pilots knew that the zero could not roll well past 250. could not maneuver but with great difficulty at 350 at was an uncontrollable lawn dart at 400mph. the 2 was bad but the 5 and 5a wre improved but still bad. Zero pilots did not like to take the planes over 300mph because the wings started to wrinkle and u needed to maintail incredible stick force to mmove the thing around and therefore, zero pilots would never chase a plane in a dive. In this sim the first thing a AI Zero does is roll or split s into a dive, then into severel high speed barrel rolls while diving to 400mph snap roll. Im blacking out trying to keep up with the thing whether in a F4F F6F or P 38L. You can out run them, but never out dive them. So, You can either play the AI at novice or never chase them or get caught slow. Basically the all defensive stategy has been reversed between US and Japanese fighters. dive accelleration will probably not be fixed and i think Oleg has some bad data for the Zero(s). pity...

Tvrdi
01-03-2005, 03:30 PM
very nice.....so why u kept ur mouth shutted when we discussed before how thers no dive differencies between planes (and how LW planes were better divers in RL)....

WWMaxGunz
01-04-2005, 01:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
very nice.....so why u kept ur mouth shutted when we discussed before how thers no dive differencies between planes (and how LW planes were better divers in RL).... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pendulum swings far the other way now.

NO dive difference between planes? You are wrong. There is some has been shown already.

LW planes better divers? Than everything? Gunther Rall spoke of being caught in dive
and shot up by P-47's that dove after he did. 109 is that kind of better?

How you expect Oleg to stay and listen when there is BS thrown around freely?
Careless and/or emotional derived statements only undermine most reasonable critiques
and requests for information and possible change.

I am saying that you are hurting rather than helping if you really want fixes by making
and/or repeating what is wrong and shown wrong. Please wise up or just stop.

Same with the people who make whines and demands for 151/20, FW cockpit, etc, etc.

Tvrdi
01-04-2005, 01:40 PM
p47...man..not LW vs US planes..we were talking LW vs VVS .......P47s were great divers....but u couldnt catch a f Dora in that ship http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif and how it is in the f sim?

Stiglr
01-04-2005, 02:14 PM
LOL, Dammerung.

That's so bass-ackwards. What are you doing opening dive brakes at 450 mph???

Dive brakes are to be opened before you dive, to prevent rapid speed buildup, not as an airbrake to slow you down. They should have a maximum deployment speed after which they either won't deploy or will just rip off, taking perhaps a chunk of wing or parts of other control surfaces with it.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif The (in)attention to detail gets worse and worse.

WWMaxGunz
01-05-2005, 02:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
p47...man..not LW vs US planes..we were talking LW vs VVS .......P47s were great divers....but u couldnt catch a f Dora in that ship http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif and how it is in the f sim? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depends on who you read from and more important, what year and month.
190A-9 should dive faster top speed than P-47D-27, I believe.
Hard part for many is that best planes, the fast dives are really close,
not even 40 or 50+ kph apart. That I got from Oleg, more like 20 to 30.
I haven't tested but since 3.02 I expect wider variance in dives due to
better engine and prop model, but still not like some people seem to
insist but won't set down numbers to go with words.

I don't expect nearly perfect from any sim. And I don't expect that most
players really know what perfect would be. But if they had perfect, the
big majority would not be able to achieve the most from any plane and
complain it is the sim that is wrong.

Gee Stig... that Targetware does EVERYTHING now? Nothing left out and
lots of everything going on? You know, not just more detail of fewer
things but more of everything and better?

stelr
01-11-2005, 08:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
very nice.....so why u kept ur mouth shutted when we discussed before how thers no dive differencies between planes (and how LW planes were better divers in RL).... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm..."(and how LW planes were better divers in RL)." Well, there it is I guess. Can't argue with facts like this! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Just imagine all the painstaking research 'ol Mr. Tvrdi did to arrive at this fully documented conclusion. I guess 'ol Tagert must be envious because he only produced test results with graphs and charts and some of that...wachacallit...data stuff. Bah..who needs that anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BTW Tvrdi, maybe I didn't join in the previous discussion(s) you refer to because I never saw them. You never know. Maybe they were posted before I signed up here. Or, maybe I was deployed at the time, busy serving my country, while you were home surfing porn for "date night." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Or...maybe I just have a life outside surfing these forums everyday unlike yourself.

Does this all sound a bit harsh? I hope so! You earned it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Tvrdi
01-12-2005, 02:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stelr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
very nice.....so why u kept ur mouth shutted when we discussed before how thers no dive differencies between planes (and how LW planes were better divers in RL).... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm..."(and how LW planes were better divers in RL)." Well, there it is I guess. Can't argue with facts like this! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Just imagine all the painstaking research 'ol Mr. Tvrdi did to arrive at this fully documented conclusion. I guess 'ol Tagert must be envious because he only produced test results with graphs and charts and some of that...wachacallit...data stuff. Bah..who needs that anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BTW Tvrdi, maybe I didn't join in the previous discussion(s) you refer to because I never saw them. You never know. Maybe they were posted before I signed up here. Or, maybe I was deployed at the time, busy serving my country, while you were home surfing porn for "date night." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Or...maybe I just have a life outside surfing these forums everyday unlike yourself.

Does this all sound a bit harsh? I hope so! You earned it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


sorry, my english is limited....but u can read some good post with good info and documentation....i will say only one thing for now...on exampl. Ta152 Maximum speed was 460 mph/740 Kmh at 32,810 feet with MW 50. Initial climb rate was 3050 feet per minute and service ceiling was 40,350 feet...so tell me how fast is in the sim?? tell me....

u said u were busy serving for ur country and i was surfing porn? i smell insulting here (poor behaviour since ur grownup) hehe and without any confirmation or knowledge about me.....another thing - u were serving for ur country in Iraq? nice serving for ur country...how many oil and gasoline u earn for ur country? ur having fun with their children and POWs? f u!


regarding my life: my life is good tnx, nightlife activity good, girfriend yes (5 yrs)...

ahh yes on that sig ur looking like some bighead creep full of himself (is that a word?)...but u have a ptsp my friend... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

stelr
01-12-2005, 07:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>sorry, my english is limited....but u can read some good post with good info and documentation....i will say only one thing for now...on exampl. Ta152 Maximum speed was 460 mph/740 Kmh at 32,810 feet with MW 50. Initial climb rate was 3050 feet per minute and service ceiling was 40,350 feet...so tell me how fast is in the sim?? tell me....

u said u were busy serving for ur country and i was surfing porn? i smell insulting here (poor behaviour since ur grownup) hehe and without any confirmation or knowledge about me.....another thing - u were serving for ur country in Iraq? nice serving for ur country...how many oil and gasoline u earn for ur country? ur having fun with their children and POWs? f u!


regarding my life: my life is good tnx, nightlife activity good, girfriend yes (5 yrs)...

ahh yes on that sig ur looking like some bighead creep full of himself (is that a word?)...but u have a ptsp my friend... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mr Tvrdi: Look at the above string. There is some very useful information researched and put in here by some polite and civilized folks. You aren't one of them I'm afraid.

You...not me were the first one with an insulting post. But you probably never realized it since I can only assume you are disrespectful to everyone that you do not know. I'm sorry for you, but will ignore it in the future. Please don't try to lecture anyone on poor behavior. You have proven beyond any doubt that you have no personal restraint or judgement.

As for your attack on my country. I will not put up with the infantile bull that you spout. Your obvious ignorance about the subject is no excuse. Just because some nations (of which I can only assume yours is one) have proven too cowardly to stand up to dictators and thugs is no reason to cast stones at those that do. If I were a psychologist I'd probably conclude that you don't really hate us for standing strong...you hate yourself for failing to. I can only pitty you.

As for your implication that we are stealing all their oil, I'm sure you remember the 1st Gulf War. I do. I spent 7 months there. And of course, we occupied and stole all the oil wells, didn't we!? oops....guess we forgot to do that. Oh, sorry for bringing up little facts that seem to disprove your blame America first theories.

Now if you want to talk about stealing oil...just ask the UN! They are the experts to the tune of $25 BILLION dollars that never made it to the children of Iraq, but did line the pockets of Saddam, his UN bought cronies and some big EU politicians. But, let's not offend your sensabilities. You are sensitive to the needs of the Iraqi children.

Really? I'm sorry, but I don't remember you or any people of your ilk in Afghanistan or Iraq rebuilding schools and hospitals, bringing clothes and food to families before the winter, bringing school supplies to entire towns and villages...and our troops volunteering to do many of these missions at great risk to themselves with nothing to gain but the grateful look on the children's faces and that of their parents.

No...you wouldn't know about any of this because, well...you weren't there and are ignorant.

Now if you want to talk about abusing or killing children, then lets talk about the children in As Samawa that were ordered by Saddam's Fedein forces to go to the roadside and wave to Americam soldiers and Marines as they passed by, knowing that the Americans would slow their convoys down to throw the children food and candy from their own rations. The Fedein would then rake the column with MG fire. When the children refused the first time, they chose one of the little girls, 6 or 7 years old, and cut off her hands as a lesson to the others. The next day, they did as they were told. Many were killed in the crossfire. Our Division Surgeon watched the little girl die the next day in a hospital from her wounds. But, these are the guys you would have in charge of Iraq if it were up to you.

A bit of context here...Saddam murdered 3 times the number of people killed in the recent Tsunami!! But somehow that was not a world crisis like the Tsunami. Hmmm...if nature kills hundreds of thousands (and we can't stop nature) we have to do something about it. But if a man, or a regime does worse, it's not our problem. Sounds a lot like the anti-war folks before WWII and what they were saying about that nice Mr. Hitler. Look at the price paid for turning a blind eye on that one. You'd think we learned our lesson. Well luckily some of us did.

As for the POWs, interestingly enough we both agree that our standards for treatment of POWs were violated at Abu Garib. But a few things to note.
1. The treatment we saw was not "torture" but more like hazing. Many of us in the military have undergone similar or worse. I dare to say many college students undergo similar hazing entering fraternities. Still no excuse for it, and it happened due to some irresponsible National Guard soldiers that were not trained well and had poor leadership. Nuf said.
2. We are dealing with it in open court. We have arrested, charged and are courts martialing the soldiers involved to the full extent of the law.
3. Prisoners in other facilities were treated as well and as professionally as any I have ever seen. In fact, in Afghanistan, my HQ was right next to the prison facility in Bagram. When the winter was only a few weeks away, and the heaters we had ordered from Germany were arriving, the priority for getting heat was prisoners first, our soldiers second. I had soldiers living in cold tents for a month while prisoners were in heated buildings.

In short, since you will probably never go to places like this to see for yourself, and have to rely on what other tell you to form your opinions...I suggest you try not to look like a fool and read more that Al Jazera or left wing propoganda. Learn a little about the real world.

BTW.."f u!"...nice language. Bet that wins a lot of aguments for you.

AlmightyTallest
01-12-2005, 08:35 PM
Bad misguided post Tvrdi. I couldn't say any more than what has already been said to you by those who were there, and those who have more guts to speak their minds in a public forum.

jurinko
01-13-2005, 06:58 AM
S! Stelr, well put.. but the thread will be locked soon imho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Tvrdi
01-13-2005, 07:43 AM
time will show who was right and what happened there,.....like we know now what happened back in Vietnam.....I just hope the day will come..hopefuly i met a bunch of americans, friends of my brother (hes a sergeant in the UN multinational contigent) who dislike Bush and his "antiterorist" acts....and who are true patriots...one thing is antiterorist campaign and other thing is harrasing other countries, politicaly, economicaly, with brutal methods,..testing new weapons and taking their resources....ya Saddam is a bad guy but, like in some good war movies - nothing is black and white...cheers

ZG77_Nagual
01-13-2005, 08:13 AM
Best not to talk about 'the war'. I will not give my opinion except to say that never have I seen such an intense and effective propoganda campaign. There is one regime from history that seems to have read the same books. It is only a matter of scale and, I worry - maybe time. I have spoken with many many people who seem to have no thoughts on this subject that were not given to them.

Diablo310th
01-13-2005, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stelr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>sorry, my english is limited....but u can read some good post with good info and documentation....i will say only one thing for now...on exampl. Ta152 Maximum speed was 460 mph/740 Kmh at 32,810 feet with MW 50. Initial climb rate was 3050 feet per minute and service ceiling was 40,350 feet...so tell me how fast is in the sim?? tell me....

u said u were busy serving for ur country and i was surfing porn? i smell insulting here (poor behaviour since ur grownup) hehe and without any confirmation or knowledge about me.....another thing - u were serving for ur country in Iraq? nice serving for ur country...how many oil and gasoline u earn for ur country? ur having fun with their children and POWs? f u!


regarding my life: my life is good tnx, nightlife activity good, girfriend yes (5 yrs)...

ahh yes on that sig ur looking like some bighead creep full of himself (is that a word?)...but u have a ptsp my friend... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mr Tvrdi: Look at the above string. There is some very useful information researched and put in here by some polite and civilized folks. You aren't one of them I'm afraid.

You...not me were the first one with an insulting post. But you probably never realized it since I can only assume you are disrespectful to everyone that you do not know. I'm sorry for you, but will ignore it in the future. Please don't try to lecture anyone on poor behavior. You have proven beyond any doubt that you have no personal restraint or judgement.

As for your attack on my country. I will not put up with the infantile bull that you spout. Your obvious ignorance about the subject is no excuse. Just because some nations (of which I can only assume yours is one) have proven too cowardly to stand up to dictators and thugs is no reason to cast stones at those that do. If I were a psychologist I'd probably conclude that you don't really hate us for standing strong...you hate yourself for failing to. I can only pitty you.

As for your implication that we are stealing all their oil, I'm sure you remember the 1st Gulf War. I do. I spent 7 months there. And of course, we occupied and stole all the oil wells, didn't we!? oops....guess we forgot to do that. Oh, sorry for bringing up little facts that seem to disprove your blame America first theories.

Now if you want to talk about stealing oil...just ask the UN! They are the experts to the tune of $25 BILLION dollars that never made it to the children of Iraq, but did line the pockets of Saddam, his UN bought cronies and some big EU politicians. But, let's not offend your sensabilities. You are sensitive to the needs of the Iraqi children.

Really? I'm sorry, but I don't remember you or any people of your ilk in Afghanistan or Iraq rebuilding schools and hospitals, bringing clothes and food to families before the winter, bringing school supplies to entire towns and villages...and our troops volunteering to do many of these missions at great risk to themselves with nothing to gain but the grateful look on the children's faces and that of their parents.

No...you wouldn't know about any of this because, well...you weren't there and are ignorant.

Now if you want to talk about abusing or killing children, then lets talk about the children in As Samawa that were ordered by Saddam's Fedein forces to go to the roadside and wave to Americam soldiers and Marines as they passed by, knowing that the Americans would slow their convoys down to throw the children food and candy from their own rations. The Fedein would then rake the column with MG fire. When the children refused the first time, they chose one of the little girls, 6 or 7 years old, and cut off her hands as a lesson to the others. The next day, they did as they were told. Many were killed in the crossfire. Our Division Surgeon watched the little girl die the next day in a hospital from her wounds. But, these are the guys you would have in charge of Iraq if it were up to you.

A bit of context here...Saddam murdered 3 times the number of people killed in the recent Tsunami!! But somehow that was not a world crisis like the Tsunami. Hmmm...if nature kills hundreds of thousands (and we can't stop nature) we have to do something about it. But if a man, or a regime does worse, it's not our problem. Sounds a lot like the anti-war folks before WWII and what they were saying about that nice Mr. Hitler. Look at the price paid for turning a blind eye on that one. You'd think we learned our lesson. Well luckily some of us did.

As for the POWs, interestingly enough we both agree that our standards for treatment of POWs were violated at Abu Garib. But a few things to note.
1. The treatment we saw was not "torture" but more like hazing. Many of us in the military have undergone similar or worse. I dare to say many college students undergo similar hazing entering fraternities. Still no excuse for it, and it happened due to some irresponsible National Guard soldiers that were not trained well and had poor leadership. Nuf said.
2. We are dealing with it in open court. We have arrested, charged and are courts martialing the soldiers involved to the full extent of the law.
3. Prisoners in other facilities were treated as well and as professionally as any I have ever seen. In fact, in Afghanistan, my HQ was right next to the prison facility in Bagram. When the winter was only a few weeks away, and the heaters we had ordered from Germany were arriving, the priority for getting heat was prisoners first, our soldiers second. I had soldiers living in cold tents for a month while prisoners were in heated buildings.

In short, since you will probably never go to places like this to see for yourself, and have to rely on what other tell you to form your opinions...I suggest you try not to look like a fool and read more that Al Jazera or left wing propoganda. Learn a little about the real world.

BTW.."f u!"...nice language. Bet that wins a lot of aguments for you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif here here Stelr. ~S~ Nothing more to say to this.

ZG77_Nagual
01-13-2005, 11:14 AM
Q.E.D. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

p1ngu666
01-13-2005, 02:23 PM
he has the possible misfortune of being a soldier in iraq. seems like a nice guy anyways, just do the best he can, i dislike/hate those who do wrong stuff like ppl have mentioned, prison stuff...

historicly, u can kill your own and get away with it, kill another nations ppl, then u in trouble.

zero needs a slight adustment it seems, with a boost for f4f thats fine

WWMaxGunz
01-13-2005, 02:38 PM
As always, there is a few propaganda campaigns going on, not one or two.
It is something going back for ages, making stories to change politics but since
mass media the aim is for more and bigger groups.
Every country and group within that has something short term or long term to gain
or just doesn't like someone pulls out all they have including outright lies and
old history with twists still on.

Turdy clearly picked his fight.
Mispell is on purpose.

Oil is not cheap here. Nor steel. We have yet to gain from any 'win'.

AlmightyTallest
01-13-2005, 03:03 PM
I'd have to agree with you Pingu, I think the only thing Loki and the others pointed out is that the F4F needed a higher speed before it broke up. As for the Zero, all historical documents and even pilot accounts say that it became harder to control as it's speed increased, and that it wasn't very smart to go into a dive for long to follow the F4F, or the Hellcat and Corsair for that matter. They also brought up some intersting points about the PF Zero actually having a faster roll rate the faster it became, which doesn't seem to fit with reality.

In all, they made some very good investigative work and brought up some good points.

WWMaxGunz
01-13-2005, 03:21 PM
The roll rate is what's supposed to suffer the worst. Huge ailerons.
P-40 pilots counted on it, survivors stating that is how and why they did survive,
the main part of their strategy hinged on speed and the roll rate differences.

JG53Frankyboy
01-18-2005, 08:55 PM
at least, in 3.04, it should be no prop to dove away as a Wildcat Pilot from a Zeke.
Vmax in dive now in Wildcat ~ 850Km/h IAS

Zeke 21 ~650
Zeke 32 ~700
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Blackdog5555
01-19-2005, 12:55 AM
good news. glad it seem to been worked on. Can't wait to check it out myself. and Tvrdi, you must be Serbian taken by tone of your anti-american rhetoric. LMAO.