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BadKarma72
11-17-2004, 10:03 AM
Is it just me or are the tracers for mg ammunition look like something from a arcade game?

With all the other exceptional attention to detail, it seems like this is the "red"-headed stepchild.

BadKarma72
11-17-2004, 10:03 AM
Is it just me or are the tracers for mg ammunition look like something from a arcade game?

With all the other exceptional attention to detail, it seems like this is the "red"-headed stepchild.

LEXX_Luthor
11-17-2004, 10:12 AM
Be Happy you can see any tracers now without the 45 megaton Muzzle Flash fireball. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Chuck_Older
11-17-2004, 10:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BadKarma72:
Is it just me or are the tracers for mg ammunition look like something from a arcade game?

With all the other exceptional attention to detail, it seems like this is the "red"-headed stepchild. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you just "feel" it's unrealistic? Or can you post a photo of what they really look liked in WWII?

Tracers from modern day automatic weapons can look like a laser beam from Star Wars. Heck, there were weapons used in Southeast Asia by the US in the '60s that used tracers, and it looked like a glowing neon tube

actionhank1786
11-17-2004, 10:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Be Happy you can see any tracers now without the 45 megaton Muzzle Flash fireball. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha we should be happy we can see anything. *cough 262 cough*

georgeo76
11-17-2004, 10:35 AM
Even that might not do Chuck. It's been pointed out before that guncam footage doesn't look like it would from the cockpit because of camera shake and because of exposure time the tracers elongate.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Do you just "feel" it's unrealistic? Or can you post a photo of what they really look liked in WWII? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BadKarma72
11-17-2004, 11:00 AM
Yeah, guncam footage seems to make the tracers look "wavy" in flight. The camera footage I've seen on the net is too fuzzy most of the time too.

From the better footage I've seen from various US aircraft on the History/Wings channel, there tends to be a small smoke trail associated with the mg tracer rounds (kinda like the cannon ones in the game, although not as lengthy).

Although after reading some more, I found that alot of the times tracers weren't even used....yikes. Guess we are lucky http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Aero_Shodanjo
11-17-2004, 11:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Be Happy you can see any tracers now without the 45 megaton Muzzle Flash fireball. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said. LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

LilHorse
11-17-2004, 01:08 PM
I'd bet the smoke trail type tracers we see are a pretty accurate rendering. Also, the Dixon- De Wilde .303 effect from Hurris look pretty authentic from all accounts (the "sparkle" of rounds hitting the plane). Perhaps the ones that're really overdone are the red tracers for the .50s and the green 20mm of the Russian cannons. But then again there's accounts of pilots seeing "orange fireballs" flying past their cockpits that let them know they were under fire.

And yeah, you're right about having them at all. I know that in the 56th fighter group they dispensed with tracer rounds except to signal when the last 25 rounds (I think) were in each of the guns. Interestingly, when they got rid of the tracers their gunnery improved, since the less than reliable track the tracers made had mis-informed their aim.

BadKarma72
11-17-2004, 01:36 PM
With regards to the last few rounds having tracers, some even quit doing that because the enemy learned that it meant you were about to be out and that was more info than they should know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

RepublicofTexas
11-17-2004, 02:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BadKarma72:
Is it just me or are the tracers for mg ammunition look like something from a arcade game?

With all the other exceptional attention to detail, it seems like this is the "red"-headed stepchild. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
i agree. the .50 tracer should look more like the 13mm in size/shape in this game. and i hope the patch will give us the ability to tone down the amount of tracers mixed in with regular incendiary rounds. i hate to say it but targetware is a good example of how the .50 cal should be, just take a look.

stansdds
11-17-2004, 05:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yeah, guncam footage seems to make the tracers look "wavy" in flight. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That wavy or jiggly appearance is due to the camera shaking as the guns fire. If you look at footage of machine guns being fired while the aircraft is on the ground during bore sighting you will see the tracers follow a nice smooth trajectory like any other bullet.

Fennec_P
11-17-2004, 05:42 PM
Most pilot accounts will refer to tracers as looking like "pearls" or "balls". In one account of P-47 pilot being attacked by FW-190, he said they look like "glowing golf balls". I've also seen them referred to as "baseballs shot from a pitching machine".

Always spherical in shape, and not wiggly.

Also, in modern videos (like Iraq war), they almost always look round or point-like. The camera exposure time has become shorter than old B/W cameras.

WTE_Dukayn
11-17-2004, 06:05 PM
tracers from an AC47 in Vietnam:

http://airwarvietnam.com/ac47.h1a.jpg

Chuck_Older
11-17-2004, 07:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by georgeo76:
Even that might not do Chuck. It's been pointed out before that guncam footage doesn't look like it would from the cockpit because of camera shake and because of exposure time the tracers elongate.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe... I have here a quote from a pilot who flew single engine fighters and P-38s for the USAAF. To paraphrase, he said the single engine planes' guncam film was "like Hollywood", while the P-38's footage was blurry because "some knothead mounted the camera directly under a 20mm cannon" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Chuck_Older
11-17-2004, 07:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Dukayn:
tracers from an AC47 in Vietnam:

http://airwarvietnam.com/ac47.h1a.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

that's the one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Snuffly
11-17-2004, 08:47 PM
Btw some planes and its bullets did not make tracers.

Like the P-51's in AEP. They did not make smoke.