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Doug97
12-21-2006, 10:48 AM
I've been flying this sim a while now, and I think I've pretty much got the hang of the basics. What I want to do now is to learn how to execute aerobatic manoeuvres the way the pilots of WWII were taught. Can anyone tell me if there's a book out there that will describe the various manoeuvres (barrel roll, split-s, etc.) in detail, including specifics about what the rudder-and-stick should be doing the whole time? Thanks!


Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
It seems to be normal enough.

I recall a video of a modern P-51 pilot explaining that, to do a loop without sideslipping, you have to continually add rudder as you ascend, then reduce rudder as you descend.

Probably because torque and slipstream effects become more pronounced at low speeds, then fall off at high speeds.

Using a reference, like performing the loop parallel to a runway, helps me straighten my loops.

This is the sort of thing I'm talking about (but it would be nice to have diagrams!)

Doug97
12-21-2006, 10:48 AM
I've been flying this sim a while now, and I think I've pretty much got the hang of the basics. What I want to do now is to learn how to execute aerobatic manoeuvres the way the pilots of WWII were taught. Can anyone tell me if there's a book out there that will describe the various manoeuvres (barrel roll, split-s, etc.) in detail, including specifics about what the rudder-and-stick should be doing the whole time? Thanks!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
It seems to be normal enough.

I recall a video of a modern P-51 pilot explaining that, to do a loop without sideslipping, you have to continually add rudder as you ascend, then reduce rudder as you descend.

Probably because torque and slipstream effects become more pronounced at low speeds, then fall off at high speeds.

Using a reference, like performing the loop parallel to a runway, helps me straighten my loops. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the sort of thing I'm talking about (but it would be nice to have diagrams!)

MrQBerrt
12-21-2006, 01:18 PM
This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but it is still a good resource.
http://web.comhem.se/~u85627360/ (http://web.comhem.se/%7Eu85627360/)
click "FREE pdf version" to download<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Krizz1972
12-21-2006, 02:03 PM
"Shooting guide" for german fighter pilots:

http://rafiger.de/Homepage/Pages/Schiessfibel.html<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Padser
12-21-2006, 03:24 PM
If you want the book the fighter jocks read then try this: Fighter Combat: Tactics and Maneuvering, by Robert Shaw

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FritzGryphon
12-21-2006, 06:57 PM
Fighter Combat = awesome book.

You might have to get something about aerobatics if you want to know more about loops and whatnot. A trip to the library could be useful. I even found Fighter Combat there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif .

TC_Stele
12-22-2006, 09:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrQBerrt:
This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but it is still a good resource.
http://web.comhem.se/~u85627360/ (http://web.comhem.se/%7Eu85627360/)
click "FREE pdf version" to download </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Doug97
12-22-2006, 01:12 PM
Wow, lots of good suggestions!

Thanks guys!

VF51_Flatspin
12-22-2006, 07:53 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Both Fighter Combat and In Pursuit are fantastic resources. You won't be sorry.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ashmano0707
12-23-2006, 07:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrQBerrt:
This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but it is still a good resource.
http://web.comhem.se/~u85627360/ (http://web.comhem.se/%7Eu85627360/)
click "FREE pdf version" to download </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In pursuit is an excellent book, I am reading it right now

Codger1949
12-27-2006, 06:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrQBerrt:
This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but it is still a good resource.
http://web.comhem.se/~u85627360/ (http://web.comhem.se/%7Eu85627360/)
click "FREE pdf version" to download </div></BLOCKQUOTE>This is a very good read.

shahram177
12-28-2006, 01:30 PM
This needs to be a sticky!

FA_Retro-Burn
12-30-2006, 06:22 PM
You need Joint Ops, my friend. This is a free training school. I can't recommend a better training ground.

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