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McTricks
07-09-2011, 10:11 PM
The one from Altair's day. For all we know it just fell off the face of the Earth, but if I recall correctly Altair became the new Grandmaster Assassin after he killed Al Mualim.

Or was it still active in Renaissance times? And we just never heard about it.

Stowdace
07-09-2011, 10:19 PM
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Abbas_Sofian
http://assassinscreed.wikia.co...C3%AFr_Ibn-La%27Ahad (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Alta%C3%AFr_Ibn-La%27Ahad)

These might help. And to those who complain "Ezio is too old to star in another game", just remember Altiar was 82 when he killed Abbas.

Since Templars have taken Masyaf to search for Altiar's seals, I'd say the Assassins have long abandoned it.

Jexx21
07-09-2011, 10:50 PM
He's talking about the one in real life, the Hashashins.

CRUDFACE
07-10-2011, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by Stowdace:
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Abbas_Sofian
http://assassinscreed.wikia.co...C3%AFr_Ibn-La%27Ahad (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Alta%C3%AFr_Ibn-La%27Ahad)

These might help. And to those who complain "Ezio is too old to star in another game", just remember Altiar was 82 when he killed Abbas.

Since Templars have taken Masyaf to search for Altiar's seals, I'd say the Assassins have long abandoned it.

Is this one cannon? It'll probably be similar, but not the same. It was a little cliche to me though.

Calvarok
07-10-2011, 01:08 AM
It's pretty much exactly canon. A few things might be changed here and there, but not too much.

The original Assassin's order was broken up by Altair, who sent marco polo's father to hide the seals and make a guild in constaninople, but there were riots so soon after hiding the seals, they left for venice, and eventually went to Firenze with Altair's son. (or his son's son, I forget.)

The original Masyaf-based order made a last stand in masyaf before Nicolo polo left.

CRUDFACE
07-10-2011, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by Calvarok:
It's pretty much exactly canon. A few things might be changed here and there, but not too much.

The original Assassin's order was broken up by Altair, who sent marco polo's father to hide the seals and make a guild in constaninople, but there were riots so soon after hiding the seals, they left for venice, and eventually went to Firenze with Altair's son. (or his son's son, I forget.)

The original Masyaf-based order made a last stand in masyaf before Nicolo polo left.

Sounds okay, but in the other books Ezio kills Rodrigo, and goes on a whole new adventure while chasing Cesare where they use hand held bombs. But the thing I have trouble most is that they play that card where, "if you have problems with the main character, you're obviously a bad guy." Know what I mean?

eagleforlife1
07-10-2011, 01:35 AM
Originally posted by Stowdace:
And to those who complain "Ezio is too old to star in another game", just remember Altiar was 82 when he killed Abbas.

To be fair all he did was lift his hand and flex his wrist to kill Abbas. I hope when I'm 82 that I'll be able to do that. If he did any more than that I would have been disappointed.

Captain Tomatoz
07-10-2011, 05:03 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins

This should give you the real life history of the assassin order http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ShaneO7K
07-10-2011, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Stowdace:
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Abbas_Sofian
http://assassinscreed.wikia.co...C3%AFr_Ibn-La%27Ahad (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Alta%C3%AFr_Ibn-La%27Ahad)

These might help. And to those who complain "Ezio is too old to star in another game", just remember Altiar was 82 when he killed Abbas.

Since Templars have taken Masyaf to search for Altiar's seals, I'd say the Assassins have long abandoned it.

I'm actually surprised at how annoyed I got when I heard what Abbas had done to Malik.

itsamea-mario
07-10-2011, 04:07 PM
Just something I noticed about those articles, why are the surnames of altairs children 'Ibn la ahad', surely they'd be 'ibn la altair' or something?

LightRey
07-10-2011, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
Just something I noticed about those articles, why are the surnames of altairs children 'Ibn la ahad', surely they'd be 'ibn la altair' or something?

Well, wouldn't that imply that Alta´r didn't have a father himself as well (which he did)? The name has more of a symbolic meaning, which could therefore also apply to his sons.

itsamea-mario
07-11-2011, 02:15 AM
When Altair was a child parents could not love their children, nor really be parents to them, so effectively Altair had no true father.
But as the codex tells us Altair changed this, so parents could be proper parents.

LightRey
07-11-2011, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
When Altair was a child parents could not love their children, nor really be parents to them, so effectively Altair had no true father.
But as the codex tells us Altair changed this, so parents could be proper parents.

Therefore his children can have a name that states they have no father?
Your argument is true, but it doesn't really seem to support any explanation.

dchil279
07-12-2011, 09:36 AM
My friends name is Daniel, which is Hebrew for "God is my Judge" and he and his family are atheist. Names don't necessarily mean of anyhthing.

twenty_glyphs
07-12-2011, 09:55 AM
Altair wanted the Assassins to abandon their fortresses and live among the people. During the end of his life, he started dissolving the Order at Masyaf and having the Assassins go out into the world. Presumably the Polo brothers started a guild in Constantinople, and Marco Polo likely played a role in bringing the Order to Venice and Italy. What little remained of the Masyaf Order was probably destroyed by the Mongols in 1257. As we see in Assassin's Creed 2, the Order now consists of seemingly normal people all working for the Order, as Ezio finds out after fighting Rodrigo Borgia in Venice.

itsamea-mario
07-12-2011, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by dchil279:
My friends name is Daniel, which is Hebrew for "God is my Judge" and he and his family are atheist. Names don't necessarily mean of anyhthing.

Not anymore they don't, but they did.
Surnames weren't carried forward and Altair was their father, so there name should state that.

LightRey
07-12-2011, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dchil279:
My friends name is Daniel, which is Hebrew for "God is my Judge" and he and his family are atheist. Names don't necessarily mean of anyhthing.

Not anymore they don't, but they did.
Surnames weren't carried forward and Altair was their father, so there name should state that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's completely dependent on the culture. In not all cultures at that time were the children named "son of <father's name>".

itsamea-mario
07-12-2011, 05:25 PM
But that's precisely what 'Ibn la Ahad' means, son of none. With Ibn la meaning 'son of' so it's strange that altars sons names are 'Ibn la Ahad' when Altair is their father.

Jacobmiles2010
07-13-2011, 05:33 AM
I suspect that the standardisation of surnames is Maria's doing...as an English woman at this point in history she wouldn't be familiar with the arabic custom so when her children are born she'd just assume that Ibn La ahad is the surname in the English sense of the word and continue it on...alternatively it might have been Altair's mother, who, we've been told is at least christian so very well might be English/British

LightRey
07-13-2011, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
But that's precisely what 'Ibn la Ahad' means, son of none. With Ibn la meaning 'son of' so it's strange that altars sons names are 'Ibn la Ahad' when Altair is their father.
true, but we know that Altair most definitely did have a father, which means his name was symbolic. Now we could assume that it's because of the way he was raised 'n stuff, but weren't almost all assassins raised that way before he changed it? Why would that be more important to him than to the other assassins?
I think his name had, or had gotten, a deeper meaning which he passed down to his sons.

itsamea-mario
07-13-2011, 08:01 AM
Everybody has a father technically, but I thought Altair was sort of 'disowned'.

LightRey
07-13-2011, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by itsamea-mario:
Everybody has a father technically, but I thought Altair was sort of 'disowned'.
well, sort of. It was common within the order for the children to be raised by the order itself rather than their parents. This is something Altair himself changed when he became the grand master of the assassins. Furthermore I believe his father was executed by the Saracens.
but my point was really that he wasn't anymore "disowned" than his fellow assassin's, so why should he be the only one with a name like that?