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Maj.Kaos
05-03-2007, 10:06 AM
Anyone know if this was tried? Seriously!

Imagine a slower plane, like a spotter plane, sporting a flame thrower to brew up a few armored columns it chances upon. Or mount one in the tail or belly of a light bomber, shooting downward and rearward.

Why not?!

Or, how about an AA flame thrower to thwart low level attacks?

How about a big AA mortar to toss concussion bombs into the air and stun the ground attack pilots.

Or a big steel net to snag the propellers!

I just think more could have been done.

AKA_TAGERT
05-03-2007, 10:09 AM
While your at it.. beam me up Scotty

ploughman
05-03-2007, 10:09 AM
Didn't the He-111 have a defensive armament like a flame thrower that sprayed out of its tail?

LStarosta
05-03-2007, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Maj.Kaos:
Anyone know if this was tried? Seriously!

Imagine a slower plane, like a spotter plane, sporting a flame thrower to brew up a few armored columns it chances upon.

It's called napalm.

Or mount one in the tail or belly of a light bomber, shooting downward and rearward.

That's called being ******ed and setting your own plane on fire.

Why not?!

Or, how about an AA flame thrower to thwart low level attacks?

That's called being ******ed. Let's see what happens if I fire an incendiary round at your flamethrower.

How about a big AA mortar to toss concussion bombs into the air and stun the ground attack pilots.

It's called a flak gun.

Or a big steel net to snag the propellers!

They're called barrage balloons.

I just think more could have been done.

It already was.

Hanglands
05-03-2007, 11:01 AM
There was some talk of flamethrowers before
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/794102444/inc/1

Roblex
05-03-2007, 11:03 AM
Or, how about an AA flame thrower to thwart low level attacks?

Firstly a plane would have to be *very* low to be in range of even the most powerful flamethrower and secondly you would also be flaming everything on the ground around you! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

LStarosta
05-03-2007, 11:09 AM
Not to mention that there's usually a better way to use gasoline or diesel than burning it to make a huge torch out of yourself.

Fox_3
05-03-2007, 11:16 AM
IIRC the Luftwaffe did experiment with tail mounted flame throwers during the BoB to discourage fighters.

I think the Dornier(?) that was rammed by a Huricane attempting to bomb Buckingham Palace was fitted with such a system?

rnzoli
05-03-2007, 11:19 AM
yeah, i guess forward-looking flame throwers were not popular among pilots who wanted to return alive from the first test flight

TheBandit_76
05-03-2007, 12:18 PM
raaaaid?

WWSpinDry
05-03-2007, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
yeah, i guess forward-looking flame throwers were not popular among pilots who wanted to return alive from the first test flight
For some odd reason I found that image wickedly funny.

Kurfurst__
05-03-2007, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by Maj.Kaos:
Why not?!

400+ km/h slipstream, and even in normal conditions the effective range of the weapon is exceedingly small..

The He 111 (and some others) had a fixed 7.92mm 'scaregun' in the tail, never read of anything else.

HuninMunin
05-03-2007, 12:31 PM
For some odd reason I found that image wickedly funny.

Me too.

I imagined some hardboiled Henschel test pilot coming into the hangar.
He looks at the Hs 129 in the centre, wich has a massive, realy mean looking flame thrower mounted intstead of the 7cm cannon.
Fuel is dropping onto the ground and the plane is surrounded by geeky looking engineers wich clearly have seen not much sleep the days before.

He freezes, looks at the plane, then slowly tilts his head towards the engineers saying:

"I'm the **** outa here folks."

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Maj.Kaos
05-03-2007, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Hanglands:
There was some talk of flamethrowers before
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/794102444/inc/1

Thanks, Hanglands, it's what I was looking for. The rest of my post was just jokes, of course, LStarosa being the poor victim, apparantly.

My guess is that the Germans had in mind the fabric covered Hurricane as being the most effected by this weapon, had it worked. Other than that, I don't see it being feasible other than scaring the hell out of the pursuing pilots.

Fox_3
05-03-2007, 12:51 PM
More info on flamethrowers on Luftwaffe aircraft here.

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/forums/index.php?show...70&hl=flame+throwers (http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=870&hl=flame+throwers)

willyvic
05-03-2007, 01:23 PM
Thought we had them already... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

http://www.geocities.com/mompeepers/willyvic/51flames.jpg

WV

luftluuver
05-03-2007, 01:53 PM
In the InAction book on the Ju-88, #1085, on pg 57 there is a photo of an a/c with 2 flame throwers mounted under the rudder - tested but not used operationlly.

The a/c is a Ju-88A-4 (9K+FB), WNr 1050, of II.KG 51 in Romania in 1941.

Taylortony
05-03-2007, 04:16 PM
The He111 had several tested, but as one of the pilots involved reported,

As the fighter got closer we fired the flamethrower, far from discouraging the attacking fighter, the pilot thinking he was scoring hits and causing lots of damage, (after all he thought he had already set the rear of the HE111 on fire) pressed his attack........ shortly afterwards the system was I believe dropped.

Haigotron
05-03-2007, 09:17 PM
Use the Il-2 (forgot which variant) that sports those backwards pointing tubes of napalm like plane piss!

PBNA-Boosher
05-03-2007, 09:18 PM
Thanks for the laugh. I haven't seen an idea that loopy for a LONG time!
Why didn't they mount it just forward of the windscreen on the I-16?

Altocirrus
05-04-2007, 04:06 AM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/93/275306423_e23ea11189.jpg?v=0

I've downed a fighter using the VAP on the il-2... I was surprised too!

I think I read about some il-2s having proximity grenades on parachutes to ward off fighters... does this sound familiar to anyone?

M2morris
05-04-2007, 04:24 AM
How bout just mounting a huge bullhorn to the front of your plane and just taunting the enemy with ethnic insults until he becomes so upset he can't think clearly, then you fire your belly-mounted net launcher at him.

WWSpinDry
05-04-2007, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
...far from discouraging the attacking fighter, the pilot thinking he was scoring hits and causing lots of damage ... pressed his attack ...
Yeah, that was my thinking: if I saw flame erupting out of the tail I'd be excited, not scared.

raaaid
05-04-2007, 07:58 AM
i would have bombed germany with sprayed water on suny days to make a rainbow and realize germans the enemy was hate

but the allies were trully as mean as the germans

winner written history just made them look better

Capt.LoneRanger
05-04-2007, 08:03 AM
raaaid, wth are you doing? YOU are posting sarcastic replies, when others have odd ideas.


You're getting old, raaaid. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

raaaid
05-04-2007, 08:25 AM
im not being sarcastic i find the concept of flame trowers to kill as nasty as bombing civilians which both sides used

in both sides there were people inventing new ways to kill more and more and i find inventors of weapons as mean as who used them on innocent

Taylortony
05-04-2007, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
im not being sarcastic i find the concept of flame trowers to kill as nasty as bombing civilians which both sides used

in both sides there were people inventing new ways to kill more and more and i find inventors of weapons as mean as who used them on innocent

Ever since man picked up a rock to use as a tool we have been bashing the cr*p out or one another, so nothing new there..........

Copperhead310th
05-04-2007, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Altocirrus:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/93/275306423_e23ea11189.jpg?v=0

I've downed a fighter using the VAP on the il-2... I was surprised too!

I think I read about some il-2s having proximity grenades on parachutes to ward off fighters... does this sound familiar to anyone?

yeah i've done that a bunch of times. i used to carry them just so i could kill 109's with them.
Get up speed let him start closing and dive for the deck. Preferably right at the base of a cliff or some other object and chop the throttle back, drop full flaps and yank HARD on the stick. Reverse immleman and roll out upright. they cannot follow you. just before the pull out manuver begins drop em. lol they never see it comming. the 109 jocks are alwasys snobbishly overconfadant in ther uber ride vs an IL-2. lol it realy messes with their pointy lil heads.

slo_1_2_3
05-04-2007, 09:04 PM
I always figuerd a big freaking shot gun woulda worked. Some of the gun cam stuff they were close enough to get a nice shotgun group I think , Hmm maybe I should get a patent

raaaid
05-05-2007, 06:05 AM
i apologize for my saying the allies were the same than the nazis but this thread made me think of a plane flame throwing on people and i had to say something whitout looking i make fun of people the same way others make fun of me just for having an odd idea

though i still think the allies were pretty mean but what happens is that a real bad person in front of a nazi may look good as is the case

HuninMunin
05-05-2007, 06:50 AM
The way I see it the 'Stang and Hurris are allready armed with a massive shotgun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hanglands
05-05-2007, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by Altocirrus:
I've downed a fighter using the VAP on the il-2... I was surprised too!


Thats the kind of stuff I love muckin' about with. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xAl1RQznJw

raaaid
05-05-2007, 07:18 AM
so ironic a bomber downed by:

bombs!!

Hanglands
05-05-2007, 07:25 AM
Heinz Knoke had the right idea.

MadRuski
05-05-2007, 07:34 AM
ive always actully had an idea about steel nets getting deployed from the rear of fighters or bombers, imagine the damage it might do to the chasing fighter.

is it as good of an idea as i am making it out to be?

major_setback
05-05-2007, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by MadRuski:
ive always actully had an idea about steel nets getting deployed from the rear of fighters or bombers, imagine the damage it might do to the chasing fighter.

is it as good of an idea as i am making it out to be?
It would have to be a big net in order to catch the persuing fighter when the plane releasing the net is presumably jinxing in order to avoid being hit by gunfire.
The net would also have to deploy to full size almost immediately as the planes are travelling very fast, so I think it's not workable.

FPSOLKOR
05-05-2007, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by Altocirrus:

I think I read about some il-2s having proximity grenades on parachutes to ward off fighters... does this sound familiar to anyone?

They were not proximity - it was ordinary hand grenade F-1 with a smal chute applyed with a 3-5-7 second delay. AG-2 for Il's, AG-10 for Pe-2.

Fox_3
06-15-2007, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
In the InAction book on the Ju-88, #1085, on pg 57 there is a photo of an a/c with 2 flame throwers mounted under the rudder - tested but not used operationlly.

The a/c is a Ju-88A-4 (9K+FB), WNr 1050, of II.KG 51 in Romania in 1941.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/Sapper646/ju88.jpg

DuxCorvan
06-15-2007, 04:35 PM
How about launching tennis balls and forks from behind a comfy flying sofa?

John_Reed
06-15-2007, 05:06 PM
The way I see it the 'Stang and Hurris are allready armed with a massive shotgun

Yeah. I've read somewhere, you've could bust up Tiger tanks with'em. Has anyone more information?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

msalama
06-16-2007, 03:39 AM
Flame throwers on planes? Well, my whole _crate_ turns into one every now and then I've noticed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Does that count?

PBNA-Boosher
06-16-2007, 12:37 PM
LOAD THE GUNS! Shot and Langrage! Nails and Trussglass! Do it you Gobs, or it's YOU we'll load into the cannons!

avimimus
06-16-2007, 07:03 PM
What about an anti-aircraft northrop projector? I saw a home-guard photograph with a mobile, wagon based mount.

StellarRat
06-16-2007, 09:10 PM
It's called naplam.

JG4_Helofly
09-01-2007, 04:48 PM
I just found some information about a flame thrower called "Gero IIa". It was tested on some FW 190 F9.
Here is a link: http://www.focke-wulf190.com/sonderbewaffnung2.htm

and it looked like this: http://www.focke-wulf190.com/images/Gero2B.jpg

It was supposed to be used against ground targets, but also against bombers and fighters.

Skycat_2
09-01-2007, 05:08 PM
In addition to Napalm, I read a discussion by US 8th AF fighter pilots about the merits of using a tactic in the ETO that apparently had some success in the Pacific: dropping fuel tanks at low altitude and then returning to strafe them. One ETO said pilot he didn't doubt that pilots in the Pacific were using the strategy to effectively start grass fires and smoke enemy troops out of their positions, but he recommended against using this techique in the ETO. In his assessment, it was too difficult to hit the fuel tanks laying on the ground to start a fire; attempting to do so only increased the pilot's exposure to ground defenses.

Dtools4fools
09-02-2007, 04:32 PM
Yeah. I've read somewhere, you've could bust up Tiger tanks with'em. Has anyone more information?

Tiger tanks? Weenie little Tiger tanks?

They cut battleships in half, be sure! Therefore no need for flame throwers or shot guns.
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Quenaelin
09-03-2007, 05:23 AM
Flamethrowers are physically impossible when mounted in aircraft, if you don't count afterburner as flamethrower http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But there could be fire bombs or incendiary bombs, I am not sure if these are implemented in IL-2?

avimimus
09-03-2007, 01:53 PM
They apparently also used to try dropping fuel tanks on moving trains and then strafing them...sometimes even real pilots during the war weren't that much brighter than us.

BaronUnderpants
09-03-2007, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
For some odd reason I found that image wickedly funny.

Me too.

I imagined some hardboiled Henschel test pilot coming into the hangar.
He looks at the Hs 129 in the centre, wich has a massive, realy mean looking flame thrower mounted intstead of the 7cm cannon.
Fuel is dropping onto the ground and the plane is surrounded by geeky looking engineers wich clearly have seen not much sleep the days before.

He freezes, looks at the plane, then slowly tilts his head towards the engineers saying:

"I'm the **** outa here folks."

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or:

"This is because i danced with your girlfriend last friday, isnt it Heinze...isnt it!!!!

mortoma
09-04-2007, 04:19 AM
I plan to install a flame thower on my Honda Civic so I can spray people when they flip me off for driving too slowly. Do they expect a Civic to go fast?? What the!?!?