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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:30 PM
Ive noticed that many do a classical mistake( me to )
, when chased by the enemy. They try to get help by flying towards a friendly plane and fly head on with it.
wich results in an energy bleeding turn for your helper, and its possible that he wont help u and risk bein shot down him self. Another mistake is to make violent turns to shake an enemy of if u are expecting help from the one chasing your bandit.

TIP 1. - when u are flying towards a friendly for help,
TURN left or right in time before reaching him, and drag your bandit with u so your friend can tuck in behind him. = U and your enemy will lose some speed in the turn, but your friend comes in with full energy and can shoot him down or force him to brake of.

TIP 2. If u are chased make a wide turn and see if someone
is chasing your bandit. If there is, dont make hard turns all over the sky, but small evasions to left and right, push and pull the stick. u will be hard to hit and u are giving your friend an easier shot at the bandit.

-If U have a friendly behind u and your enemy, but still too far away, do slow big turns left and right( if possible)
= u drag your bandit with u. u dont bleed so much energy and your friend who is flying straight will soon catch up.
Then fly straight again with small evasions.

TIP 3. when u see many friendlies chasing the same enemy for long periods, dont join in the circle but get your speed up and zoom in and out,making passes on the enemy.
If u succed and shoot him down, U will at least have a friend in the one that was chased.The other may accuse u for kill stealing.

TIP 4 Dont make hars comments to those who dsnt succed in helping u out. Or they perhaps will avoid helping u in the future.

TIP 5 Dont laugh at noobs misstakes or make fun of them .
everybody makes misstakes at some point, and u might loose
a future friend.( and its not sporty )

TIP 6 -If u try help a friend under bounce/attack, alert your friend with tracers infront of him ,(if u dont have headphones) or if at a distance, shoot at the bandit any way, and he might brake of.

TIP 7- allways warn a friendly aircraft if he is trailing smoke. or he will attract enemies to your flight and him self.(like sharks) Tell him to go low so his smoke is less visible.(if he is damaged he might need escort home)
If he isnt damaged, he is on overheat. tell him to throttle down for awhile so smoke disapear.

TIP 8- Dont wobble over bombers that u want to escort. if bombers are low u will show the enemy where they are.Either u can fly higher and to one side to them, checking where they are on your map, then u dont have to look for them constantly.



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This was helpfull to me. Maby to some of u.

PLZ! feel free to add tips of ur own or even experiences.
Situations where u got help, or just comments.

Happy gaming /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:30 PM
Ive noticed that many do a classical mistake( me to )
, when chased by the enemy. They try to get help by flying towards a friendly plane and fly head on with it.
wich results in an energy bleeding turn for your helper, and its possible that he wont help u and risk bein shot down him self. Another mistake is to make violent turns to shake an enemy of if u are expecting help from the one chasing your bandit.

TIP 1. - when u are flying towards a friendly for help,
TURN left or right in time before reaching him, and drag your bandit with u so your friend can tuck in behind him. = U and your enemy will lose some speed in the turn, but your friend comes in with full energy and can shoot him down or force him to brake of.

TIP 2. If u are chased make a wide turn and see if someone
is chasing your bandit. If there is, dont make hard turns all over the sky, but small evasions to left and right, push and pull the stick. u will be hard to hit and u are giving your friend an easier shot at the bandit.

-If U have a friendly behind u and your enemy, but still too far away, do slow big turns left and right( if possible)
= u drag your bandit with u. u dont bleed so much energy and your friend who is flying straight will soon catch up.
Then fly straight again with small evasions.

TIP 3. when u see many friendlies chasing the same enemy for long periods, dont join in the circle but get your speed up and zoom in and out,making passes on the enemy.
If u succed and shoot him down, U will at least have a friend in the one that was chased.The other may accuse u for kill stealing.

TIP 4 Dont make hars comments to those who dsnt succed in helping u out. Or they perhaps will avoid helping u in the future.

TIP 5 Dont laugh at noobs misstakes or make fun of them .
everybody makes misstakes at some point, and u might loose
a future friend.( and its not sporty )

TIP 6 -If u try help a friend under bounce/attack, alert your friend with tracers infront of him ,(if u dont have headphones) or if at a distance, shoot at the bandit any way, and he might brake of.

TIP 7- allways warn a friendly aircraft if he is trailing smoke. or he will attract enemies to your flight and him self.(like sharks) Tell him to go low so his smoke is less visible.(if he is damaged he might need escort home)
If he isnt damaged, he is on overheat. tell him to throttle down for awhile so smoke disapear.

TIP 8- Dont wobble over bombers that u want to escort. if bombers are low u will show the enemy where they are.Either u can fly higher and to one side to them, checking where they are on your map, then u dont have to look for them constantly.



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This was helpfull to me. Maby to some of u.

PLZ! feel free to add tips of ur own or even experiences.
Situations where u got help, or just comments.

Happy gaming /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:33 PM
Brilliant post!

Essential reading for newcomers.

One thing you forgot though - ignore RBJ at all costs. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:04 PM
I like tip 3. I dont get why people cry over kill stealing?! Does it make you feel like a bigger man if you get the kill? I'm sure no Aces in the war returned home, got out of his plane, and had a brawl cause his squadmate stole his kill. He was just happy that was another enemy down.

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 07:20 PM
ob_swe ,

Thank you for posting this. Very usefull tips & i like to see folks willing to share & help out others.
if I ever get a chance I'll do all I can to help you out !

Happy Hunting!

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 09:07 PM
Good post. Specially #1 seems to happen to me rather often, a freindly beeing chased panics and turns headon towards me. If I fly an axis plane theres not much to do exept maybe an immelmann if i have enough altitude.

I got one as well, wich may seem obvious but i dont see it that often online. If your beeing chased by a Rata or Chaika pull a lot of negative g's by pushing your stick forward do it not only in the vertical but also horizontal it almost works best then. If he does the same hes going to bust his engine. If he doesnt he has to roll to see where you went, increasing the distance between you.

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 10:02 PM
Thank you! A very helpful post indeed.
Will serve me well when I decide to venture online.

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 03:48 PM
I know there is lots of experienced online fliers out there!

PLZ! make a contribution of your best tips, so we can enhance the online gaming with FB.

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 04:11 PM
Excellent and informative post for all. S!


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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 04:36 PM
Great tips!

I found out some myself but, it is a great post!

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 04:40 PM
I was trying to help a n00b online this weekend. He had a bandit on his six and I was coming in fast to help. (I believe you should help your teammates first, find new targets second.) I was just about to get into position to engage his follower when the n00b turned sharp into my direction. I had a feeling the n00b was going to continue turning in circles hoping I could help. Little did he know that he wasn't making my job any easier. I climbed to get an angle I could work with on the now 'turn fest' in progress. I inverted and got a fix on the bandit but it was too late the poor n00b was a lawn dart. If he would've just stayed on course a little longer I could've helped. Instead he went into the deadly 'help help help' turn.

There was an instance where heading right for the friendly was useful. One of my piggy squad mates had a bogey on his six and I did as well. I'm not sure if it was swine intuition, but we went straight towards each other with the same intention do use head-ons where we shot at each other's bogey. It worked great and only took a couple passes.



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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 04:55 PM
great tips!

Here's my suggestion for those crazy head-ons in online DFs:

don't try to hit the ennemy, focus on evasion by performing a barrel-roll (roll with some forward stick as you roll- so that it's not a simple roll around the longitudinal axis): it's near bloody impossible to hit; the ennemy may waste ammo trying to do so; you can come out of the barrel-roll at any attitude (unpredictable) after passing the ennemy and perform a loop, immelman, high yoyo or hard turn depending on the situation.

If another head-on occurs, repeat the barrel-roll evasion- in no circumstance should you flatten out (stabilise) in an attempt to get a good shot- that makes you a nice stable target. Sometimes the roll will put the ennemy in your sights, if so release only a small squirt of lead: the closure is so fast it's easy to miss and you don't want to waste your ammo.

I hope some find this tip useful /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 05:09 PM
Cold_Gambler wrote:
- great tips!
-
- Here's my suggestion for those crazy head-ons in
- online DFs:
-
- don't try to hit the ennemy, focus on evasion by
- performing a barrel-roll (roll with some forward
- stick as you roll- so that it's not a simple roll
- around the longitudinal axis): it's near bloody
- impossible to hit; the ennemy may waste ammo trying
- to do so; you can come out of the barrel-roll at any
- attitude (unpredictable) after passing the ennemy
- and perform a loop, immelman, high yoyo or hard turn
- depending on the situation.
-
- If another head-on occurs, repeat the barrel-roll
- evasion- in no circumstance should you flatten out
- (stabilise) in an attempt to get a good shot- that
- makes you a nice stable target. Sometimes the roll
- will put the ennemy in your sights, if so release
- only a small squirt of lead: the closure is so fast
- it's easy to miss and you don't want to waste your
- ammo.
-
- I hope some find this tip useful /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 05:18 PM
I hate playing chicken with Gem. Head-ons with Gem = BAD. I/we tend to lose wings this way!

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 05:25 PM
junkerjug wrote:
- I hate playing chicken with Gem. Head-ons with Gem
- = BAD. I/we tend to lose wings this way!
-
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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 05:47 PM
Another bit of advice I would give is to not use wingtip smoke to signify that you are in trouble.

when you see a friendly closing in on the guy chasing you go into a shallow climbing turn (assuming the bandit isn't too close to you), this will slow down the bandit and give your teammate the best possible shot.

Keep a constant eye on the bandit chasing you and the moment he peels off do an immelman to get on him, or if a friendly made him stop chasing you then cover the friendly while he engages the bandit that was chasing you.

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 05:51 PM
swe,

Great post!

Helping new folks and old folks that SHOULD already know this, (like me!) is one of the best things you can do for this hobby.

Up the non-whinning, non-obsessive, non-egomaniac, helpers!


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