View Full Version : Weird flight report: Aussie campaign

12-16-2011, 01:10 AM
I was flying the RNZAF campaign near Malay, and the first mission has Bettys escorted by Oscars flying over your base almost as you're taking off.

The Oscars don't fair so well at this part of the game but the Bettys are flying kind of high - maybe 4000m or so. They're wicked hard to catch.

So I finally shot one down, and (I am still playing with unlimited ammo until my marksmanship skills improve) I took a pot-shot at one - parts flew off. I've shot Bettys down in CFS2 and some other sim (can't remember which) - maybe Out Of The Sun? Anyway, they come apart real easy-like.

Just like in real life.

Except these Bettys must have been plated with the Chobham armor from a 1990's M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank! I swear to God, I put 2000 rounds into one of them before it came apart.

So I shot down another just to see if I was just missing - NO. Parts were flying. I guess I had killed the rear gunner because the response from the tail gun had gone to zero. I shot another down, and this took another horrendous amount of ammo. On the FIFTH one (!) I got the "Black Screen of Doom" (annoying; you can still hear sounds but you're dead; I thought it was my friggin' video card going south on me) I got hit and killed.

Crazy. I saw Bettys getting sawn in half on a later mission. My guess is that the designers of that particular mission didn't want us shooting down the Bettys but wanted us instead to blow up all the Oscars.

Bizarre - Could it have been simply because the Hurricane IIb has eight .30 cal guns and they can't damage the Bettys enough to bring them down?

12-16-2011, 05:16 AM
If you hit your target at your convergence setting then the guns are more effective.

12-16-2011, 09:07 AM
.30 caliber guns are only effective at closer ranges but they do often give a satisfying incendiary effect. You can take pot shots at longer ranges all day and not do a whole lot of damage.

12-16-2011, 09:14 AM
A bettys engine will light up easily with 303's at convergence range.

No point aiming at anything else though, either engines or pilot.

12-16-2011, 11:53 AM
Hello ad welcome to the forums.

The Hurricane IIB actually has twelve .303's, and they will do a number on a Betty if you follow the advice given by the other posters.

As you have pointed out, your biggest challenge will be catching them first, which means you'll usually end up attacking from the Betty's six o'clock, which is a very dangerous thing to do due to the sniper-like gunners in IL2. If you can attack from above, you will have much more success, especially if you aim for the area from the engine to the fuselage.

My only other advice for you at this time would be to turn off unlimited ammo if you want to improve your gunnery skills. When I first started playing this game I did the same as you but found that my shooting improved much more quickly once I turned it off.

That said, use whatever settings you like, it's a game after all (well, an obsession really http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) , and you're supposed to have fun.

12-16-2011, 04:54 PM
At convergence and at a non dead 6 angle you can really whup a Betty and bring it down. My best memory is still a diving pass I made with a P-47 where a 2 second burst took off both wings. Unusual but no matter what was going on ... that Betty was going down.

Also you may not be as aware but any hail of gunfire into a Betty is nearly crippling to the flight crew (I fly these toasters online sometimes). It doesn't look so bad on the outside but on the inside half the crew is dead and the controls are busted.

12-18-2011, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by Sillius_Sodus:

As you have pointed out, your biggest challenge will be catching them first, which means you'll usually end up attacking from the Betty's six o'clock, which is a very dangerous thing to do due to the sniper-like gunners in IL2.

Especially considering the Betty rear gunner is wielding a 20mm cannon not a 0.303 browning and some variants of the Betty had a 20mm in the dorsal turret as well.

12-21-2011, 02:07 PM
I have never had trouble downing Bettys no matter what type of ammo I was using. They are a flying napalm tanks! The thread starter just needs more experience is all. You have to start somewhere.

And yes, it would be hard to climb up to Bettys at 4000m. Once up there, you should be able to catch them though.

12-21-2011, 03:16 PM
Its also worth pointing out that historically the Commonwealth forces decisively lost the battle for Malaya http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Overwhelmed is probably a fair description of the historical turn of events.