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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 06:41 PM
I've been watching the debate over the P-47 with interest since FB came out...I have since dedicated the last week to flying the P-47, P-39 and P-40. After toasting Bf-109 E's and F's with a well placed bursts from my P-40; I got the idea to slide the P-47 in there to check a few things (normally I keep era aircraft together so I've never flown late models against early models)...some of my observations:

It took longer bursts to kill the Emils with the P-47 than the P-40...noticably to me. Indicating either an energy issue or perhaps as some would say, dispersion issues.

I was followed in a dive (in a P-47) from 7000 meters to the deck by a 109G-10 and I gained .03Km on him...although I lost him when I pulled out of the dive. My airspeed indicator was over 900Km/hour.

The recoil of the guns is more noticable in the P-47 than others, making staying on target difficult. Doesn't seem consistant with things I've read about the P-47 being a "stable gun platform".

The roll rate of the D-27 is not fixed...we all already knew that.

I have been caught from behind by both FW's and 109's after diving a couple of thousand meters and zoom climbing...makes me feel like the energy bleed on the P-47 is too much. Hope Oleg gets this right with the P-38

The stall characteristics seem much more sudden than I have read about...of course I'm not a P-47 pilot so I don't know if that is right or not. The D-10 seems better in this aspect than the other models...might be my imagination, but I doubt it.

The FW series damage model seems improved...I can actually shoot off wings with regularity with proper deflection and enough ammo.

You can't run the P-40 over 85% for very long without over heating...very tempermental engine!

I love the P-39...and I hope Oleg leaves it alone, although I don't think he will...I read the article from the russian pilot posted recently with much interest...the Q models in particular were not the same plane the Americans fought with (D's) and was much faster and much improved over the early models.

All in all, I still enjoy the P-47 and I am satisfied with nearly all of the flight models..many would disagree with this I think...I hope that Oleg is not done fine tuning the P-47...the energy model doesn't seem right to me as well as the killing power of the eight .50's. Those stall characteristics and the D-27's roll rate could use some tweaking IMHO!

Just biting my nails waiting for spits, beau's, tempests, typhoons, 110's, lightnings and mustangs...I love them all! If only there were a Mosquito FBIV in the works.

Tally ho

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 06:41 PM
I've been watching the debate over the P-47 with interest since FB came out...I have since dedicated the last week to flying the P-47, P-39 and P-40. After toasting Bf-109 E's and F's with a well placed bursts from my P-40; I got the idea to slide the P-47 in there to check a few things (normally I keep era aircraft together so I've never flown late models against early models)...some of my observations:

It took longer bursts to kill the Emils with the P-47 than the P-40...noticably to me. Indicating either an energy issue or perhaps as some would say, dispersion issues.

I was followed in a dive (in a P-47) from 7000 meters to the deck by a 109G-10 and I gained .03Km on him...although I lost him when I pulled out of the dive. My airspeed indicator was over 900Km/hour.

The recoil of the guns is more noticable in the P-47 than others, making staying on target difficult. Doesn't seem consistant with things I've read about the P-47 being a "stable gun platform".

The roll rate of the D-27 is not fixed...we all already knew that.

I have been caught from behind by both FW's and 109's after diving a couple of thousand meters and zoom climbing...makes me feel like the energy bleed on the P-47 is too much. Hope Oleg gets this right with the P-38

The stall characteristics seem much more sudden than I have read about...of course I'm not a P-47 pilot so I don't know if that is right or not. The D-10 seems better in this aspect than the other models...might be my imagination, but I doubt it.

The FW series damage model seems improved...I can actually shoot off wings with regularity with proper deflection and enough ammo.

You can't run the P-40 over 85% for very long without over heating...very tempermental engine!

I love the P-39...and I hope Oleg leaves it alone, although I don't think he will...I read the article from the russian pilot posted recently with much interest...the Q models in particular were not the same plane the Americans fought with (D's) and was much faster and much improved over the early models.

All in all, I still enjoy the P-47 and I am satisfied with nearly all of the flight models..many would disagree with this I think...I hope that Oleg is not done fine tuning the P-47...the energy model doesn't seem right to me as well as the killing power of the eight .50's. Those stall characteristics and the D-27's roll rate could use some tweaking IMHO!

Just biting my nails waiting for spits, beau's, tempests, typhoons, 110's, lightnings and mustangs...I love them all! If only there were a Mosquito FBIV in the works.

Tally ho

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 07:00 PM
I have to put rudder on to offset the way the Jug yaws when it fires.For such a big heavy a/c shouldn't it be rock solid?

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 07:10 PM
The problem with the yaw is that the guns don't fire consistently with each other. I believe each gun has either a faster or slower rate of fire compared to the one on the opposite wing.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 09:26 PM
no601_Gilly wrote:
- I have to put rudder on to offset the way the Jug
- yaws when it fires.For such a big heavy a/c
- shouldn't it be rock solid?


In real life Jug pilots were warned to keep thier speed up during straffing runs or else the recoil from the guns would cause them to loose speed and stall out.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 10:42 PM
Stalling out doesn't mean yawing off target though.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 02:27 AM
The gun recoil can be fixed. The other issues are, well...issues lol. Theres a little program you can get to set your FFB joystick. You can change the settings so that the recoil does not bounce it around like it does. I believe it was posted here somewhere. Its called Force edit or something. I had it but cant find it now. Really neat little program. You can edit the forces in FB or install new ones from the toolbar.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 03:14 AM
FFB is not really the issue or the cause. I don't have FFB, and I notice this effect too, but it's much more noticeable when I don't have my rudder trimed.

Try this: The Jug swings to the left constantly anyway, so I set my rudder trim to 10 clicks right for normal load. This works for most speeds you're likely to be reaching in a Jug. With this setting, I get a little left and right, but not the constant deflection of the nose. Hope this helps.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 03:18 AM
Agree with the P47 Gunz in this Post

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 04:01 AM
Cajun76 wrote:
- Try this: The Jug swings to the left constantly
- anyway, so I set my rudder trim to 10 clicks right
- for normal load. This works for most speeds you're
- likely to be reaching in a Jug. With this setting,
- I get a little left and right, but not the constant
- deflection of the nose. Hope this helps.

It swings to the right with all guns firing I find. It's actually just overpowering yaw from one set of guns. One set will swing the nose the other way. I always forget which does which though.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 08:25 AM
"In real life Jug pilots were warned to keep thier speed up during straffing runs or else the recoil from the guns would cause them to loose speed and stall out." thats a false statement. ive read a couple books on p47 pilots and not one said they lost airspeed by firing their guns. in fact ive read inteviews of jug pilots stating that was false.

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