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No3 Spit
06-15-2005, 08:21 PM
S!
Finding this impossible to trim is there a reason for the inability to trim the Spitfires?

They have adjustable trim tabs on the actual aircraft. Also does the elevator trim gauge work?

Any testers out there have a system, other than the obvious - to balance on rudder pedals. I thought it might be an oversight from version 4.0 but its still present.


Spit

Padser
06-16-2005, 02:56 AM
~S~

I mainly fly the IXe. Both elevator and rudder trim work fine. You can see the controls moving in the cockpit when you use your stick/keyboard to input adjustments.

Doesn't seem to be any aileron trim (none that I can determine anyway)

Cheers,

Pads

Salfordian
06-16-2005, 08:23 AM
From what I can remember as I haven't played in a month or so, but I usually cruise the spit with a little nose down trim (pre patch), about 1/2 a notch down on the gauge (I think). As there is no aileron trim I usually trim out the roll with rudder trim, so I am slipping slightly in forward flight but not having to constantly apply pressure to the stick to counteract the roll(but I always trim rudder centre when going to fight). I know it's not the most economical way of flying but I'm sure Pete Brothers mentioned it on the Spitfire Ace show on C4, that he used to do this in his hurricane during BoB in case he got bounced. The enemies deflection shot would be slightly off as he wouldn't be flying directly where his nose was pointing. If it is good enough for a real WW2 fighter ace...

Padser
06-16-2005, 10:08 AM
Yes, I remember reading about that, too.

I too find that there is something of a roll to the left in S & L flight that needs either some kind of aileron input or, as you suggest, rudder trim. I use a CH Fighterstick which allows minute adjustments to X & Y axes via some rather stiff wheels on its base (a kind of rough trim). I find that I can just about get rid of the roll with that, too, though use the dedicated trim wheel to handle the nose pitch.

BTW - If you're interested in the history of this, you could do worse than check out Crecy Publishing (http://www.crecy.co.uk) - they have facsimile versions of the original RAF and USAAF pilot's manuals for many of the aircraft we fly in the merged install - climb rates, power settings, etc., all in a cool little booklet that looks like it was last opened in 1943... ;-)

For some reason, their site is down at present - but you might find these elsewhere, too.

Cheers,

Pads

VW-IceFire
06-16-2005, 10:53 AM
Look at your slip indicator. Whichever side its sitting on, start tapping the trim on that side till the slip indicator is centered. Then everything is happy.

stansdds
06-16-2005, 12:05 PM
I use a CH Fighterstick which allows minute adjustments to X & Y axes via some rather stiff wheels on its base (a kind of rough trim)

That's a very rough trim and creates a lot of drag as those wheels do not move trim tabs, but move the elevators or ailerons instead.

stathem
06-16-2005, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Salfordian:
From what I can remember as I haven't played in a month or so, but I usually cruise the spit with a little nose down trim (pre patch), about 1/2 a notch down on the gauge (I think). As there is no aileron trim I usually trim out the roll with rudder trim, so I am slipping slightly in forward flight but not having to constantly apply pressure to the stick to counteract the roll(but I always trim rudder centre when going to fight). I know it's not the most economical way of flying but I'm sure Pete Brothers mentioned it on the Spitfire Ace show on C4, that he used to do this in his hurricane during BoB in case he got bounced. The enemies deflection shot would be slightly off as he wouldn't be flying directly where his nose was pointing. If it is good enough for a real WW2 fighter ace...

I've heard it about Spitfires too.. called "flying split-ar**d"

Salfordian, are you indeed from Salford?

Salfordian
06-17-2005, 03:45 AM
No not from Salford, but from Blackburn, Lancs only 20 odd miles away, but I studied and now work as a researcher at Salford Uni, Salfordian was the first name I could come up with when registering. Did used to watch the Rugby League though fairly frequently.

rednine
06-17-2005, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by Padser:
~S~

I mainly fly the IXe. Both elevator and rudder trim work fine. You can see the controls moving in the cockpit when you use your stick/keyboard to input adjustments.

Doesn't seem to be any aileron trim (none that I can determine anyway)

Cheers,

Pads

no it doesnt

stathem
06-17-2005, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Salfordian:
No not from Salford, but from Blackburn, Lancs only 20 odd miles away, but I studied and now work as a researcher at Salford Uni, Salfordian was the first name I could come up with when registering. Did used to watch the Rugby League though fairly frequently.

Ahh, North Manchester here, but now residing in the posh south - Stockport. I got a half-blue in Motorsport form Salford Uni, even though I never attended!

Padser
06-18-2005, 05:54 AM
Roger the rough trim from those base rotaries, they are indeed connected to the main x- and y-axes.

Still, even this allows me sufficient hands-off time to roll a *** or get that new can of beer... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hic

Pads

x6BL_Brando
06-18-2005, 10:11 AM
My goodness, intelligent life North of Watford....can it be true? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stathem
06-18-2005, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
My goodness, intelligent life North of Watford....can it be true? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Whatever gives you the impression I'm intellignet? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Salfordian
06-20-2005, 04:56 AM
depends what you mean by intelligence http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif.

Ahh, the posh sth, so that would be stockport, cheshire http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VW-IceFire
06-20-2005, 08:40 AM
All I can say is welcome to the real Spitfire. She took a bit of work to fly and wasn't as rediculously easy as before. I'm all for it...I love the Spitfire and I like that she's a bit more of a handful. All high performance aircraft were.

Now...as I said, elevator and rudder trim are absolutely essential. Fly for a few days, work on these aspects alone (good piloting skills translates into good combat skills). Watch the slip indicator, keep it centered. And you'll have the Spitfire flying straight and even in no time.

Aaron_GT
06-20-2005, 09:34 AM
I took the Spitfire IXe for a spin online last night, for the first time. Subjectively I found it took more trim changes with changes in flight regime in 4.01 than it did in 3.04.

Tazzers1968
06-20-2005, 02:53 PM
I got the X45 with rudder trim on the finger slider and elevator trim on the thumb slider. The Spit is a little bit more of a handful but there is enough familiarity with the 'potted' flight model to keep it manageable with practice. All they have done so far as I can see is increase the fidelity of the FM. It sounds stupid I know but its not better or worse or even that much different, it is just more accurate and the general FM is only going to get better.

The Spit is a beauty to fly but I am most thankful for the toned down taxiing found on every aircraft I have flown so far in 4.01m. I'm not sure how accurate that is but you don't see real life Spits bumping about like a nutter when taxiing at Duxford, they look stable and planted so long as they keep the speed down a bit.

Put a new joystick on your 'wish-to-buy' list and make sure its got a couple of nice sliders for trim; if its got three you will be able to make use of the aileron trim found on some of the flyable types. I don't know which ones they are though and the Spit ain't one of them.

Phil http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stathem
06-20-2005, 05:20 PM
Well I can take off, fly it, even land it with my POS battered old Logitech. Even occasionally I can get on someone's six, but actually hitting the target.. that's some kind of random process I've not work out yet...

Roll on an X-52