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LoboFHmod
08-09-2007, 10:24 AM
Desert War Mod (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3001055373/m/7601086845?r=7601086845#7601086845)

First of all, sorry about my english, it's not my native language.

Second, I tried to register in the forum of this mod, with no success, so I will inform about this unacceptable event in the main forum of the game they are moding for.

Just check the screens in the thread I have posted. They have stolen tons of the skins of The Forgotten Hope Mod for BF42, and likely lot of our models, decreasing the polycount of them. At first sight they have stolen our:

Valentine
Sherman
Churchill
Bishop
Matilda II
Crusader MkI
6 pounder
Daimler MkI
Bedford
Panzer II
M3 Stuart

To check our originals just visit this page and check by yourself, it's blatant:

Forgotten Hope Mod (http://forgottenhope.filefront.com/main.php?module=vehicles&lang=english)

I hope the Faces of War community and game developers take the right actions against this legally and morally unacceptable behaviour, and I formally request these persons to remove our content in their mod or face the legal consequencies of it.

Thanks for your attention

/signed
Lobo, FH dev

LoboFHmod
08-09-2007, 10:24 AM
Desert War Mod (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3001055373/m/7601086845?r=7601086845#7601086845)

First of all, sorry about my english, it's not my native language.

Second, I tried to register in the forum of this mod, with no success, so I will inform about this unacceptable event in the main forum of the game they are moding for.

Just check the screens in the thread I have posted. They have stolen tons of the skins of The Forgotten Hope Mod for BF42, and likely lot of our models, decreasing the polycount of them. At first sight they have stolen our:

Valentine
Sherman
Churchill
Bishop
Matilda II
Crusader MkI
6 pounder
Daimler MkI
Bedford
Panzer II
M3 Stuart

To check our originals just visit this page and check by yourself, it's blatant:

Forgotten Hope Mod (http://forgottenhope.filefront.com/main.php?module=vehicles&lang=english)

I hope the Faces of War community and game developers take the right actions against this legally and morally unacceptable behaviour, and I formally request these persons to remove our content in their mod or face the legal consequencies of it.

Thanks for your attention

/signed
Lobo, FH dev

K0ntrol
08-09-2007, 12:06 PM
You guys really got legal coverup for your mod? :O

When is FH2 coming? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

cTk_Instinct
08-09-2007, 12:16 PM
Hi Lobo,

first at all, welcome to the forums even if the circumstances are not pleasant.

I just wonder, sorry I have no BF modding experience, how they got your raw material of your vehicles (3d files)?

Anyway, I have to admit that the textures look the very same.

TTorpedo
08-09-2007, 12:21 PM
This being true is one of the worse things I´v read in a game forum.



PS: I folow your work on FH2, from time to time, and is looking superb Lobo
On a side note, It would be awesome if all your models could be converted released for FOW http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LupinACR
08-09-2007, 12:22 PM
Here are some examples of the more obviously stolen units: By the way, I'm sorry about the massive amount of images, I don't think this forum has a spoiler tag system.

Desert war:
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3518/070808214700dw0.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7044/070808214800jr8.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5104/070808214801gd5.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8586/070808214802mb8.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7697/070808215103bs3.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9029/070808215000rf4.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7152/070808215100wj2.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8784/070808215101jc1.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7243/070808215102aa6.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6346/070808215103cu3.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2412/070808215104sq4.jpg
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/8779/070808215105gj0.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/130/070808215106hj3.jpg
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/2636/070808215107ii4.jpg
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5188/070808215200yy6.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4076/070808215400mv5.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9546/070808215401ku4.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/4236/070808215402mq3.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8392/070808215403ln5.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/5832/070808215404nb3.jpg

Forgotten Hope:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5249/screenshot1116tp8.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4822/screenshot1117rv6.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5655/screenshot1118lv6.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6323/screenshot1119dj8.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4109/screenshot1120yz7.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3751/screenshot1121uc9.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7769/screenshot1122tq2.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/92/screenshot1123ez8.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9788/screenshot1124ai0.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4537/screenshot1125vh1.jpg
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/4407/screenshot1126nd5.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5752/screenshot1127al2.jpg
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/3483/screenshot1128bv4.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2060/screenshot1129se9.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2114/screenshot1130jx5.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4231/screenshot1131bx3.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/255/screenshot1132zk7.jpg
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/595/screenshot1133ri8.jpg
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9562/screenshot1134do9.jpgp

As you can see, the textures and models are exactly the same (except for the occasional number change) right down to the damage and rust marks. Thus this is conclusive proof of the theft.

Regarding how they got the models, there are several model converting plugins for the game Battlefield 1942 (which is what Forgotten Hope is made on). Someone from the Desert War team must've gotten one of these plugins and converted the models into the appropriate Faces of War format.

K0ntrol
08-09-2007, 12:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I just wonder, sorry I have no BF modding experience, how they got your raw material of your vehicles (3d files)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Umm.. Just shooting at nothing.. When you download the mod, the 3d files and stuff should be included in the package..

Not 100% sure about this but I guess that could be one way to do it.. Unless FH crew has come up with a really weird solution to get their custom made 3D models to show up ingame http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EDIT: Oh.. Lupin beat me up..

cTk_Instinct
08-09-2007, 12:32 PM
Well I ask because most games have an own 3d format to read 3d files, which mostly can not be reimported, just exported from max. So how do they get the models out of the Download version if nobody gave them the Max files?

cTk_Instinct
08-09-2007, 12:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Regarding how they got the models, there are several model converting plugins for the game Battlefield 1942 (which is what Forgotten Hope is made on). Someone from the Desert War team must've gotten one of these plugins and converted the models into the appropriate Faces of War format. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I see, so basically there is not 3d format protection for Battlefield due to the tools available.

Well, I will contact them.

LoboFHmod
08-09-2007, 03:21 PM
Yep, cTk_Instinct, BF42 files are not protected, the native format(.rfa) can be imported with the official tools and there is a 3d max script to import the models into this 3d modeling program, change them as it suits and then export it in whatever format Faces of War is using.

These guys have "created" half of their mod with our sweat, blood and tears.

cTk_Instinct
08-09-2007, 03:48 PM
I wrote you already an email, all download links are removed and will not put up online until your stuff is removed, most of the team didn't even know about it.

LoboFHmod
08-09-2007, 03:52 PM
Got the mail, thanks a lot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

bf2player2006
08-09-2007, 05:47 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

:O

OMG you guys convinced me!

Those models are almost exact to the FH ones http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

This sure is some interesting news! hope to see into what it finishes...

Ohh and on a side note: on the DW thread lobo linked to, there is no such "tag" like modeler...

ngvede
08-09-2007, 07:33 PM
Just great. It seems I've spent weeks making maps for stolen vehicles. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

Jason111
08-09-2007, 07:55 PM
Unless ForgottenHope contacted DesertWar and they refused to give credit where credit is due, then I find this annoying. From the tone of their posts, the DesertWar guys have seemed pretty decent - I think this could have been handled differently.

aviator1982
08-09-2007, 08:52 PM
Well Schneider removed the download links. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif And I hate to say it but the pics convinced me that this is true. When I went on the Digitalmindsoft forum and saw that Schneider removed the download links I was shocked. Remember that I am Highflyaviato on that forum.

evilgerbal
08-23-2007, 09:51 PM
Hmm, this thread encouraged me to dust off my ubi username and take the effort to sign in. I have to say that the models which the FH team released are brillant, beautiful looking and impressive but I don't think it's as outragious as it may seem. They should have acknowledged your content (i'm not sure if they did) as that's what is proper and curtious but as for using models released under a mod title.. i'm not sure that there is any legal ground to stand on.. since FH is in itself a mod (although i'm not sure).

I personally think that the desert war mod should maybe share the name of Forgottern hope and act as an extension into the FOW environment... i don't think the developers had any intention of doing you any injustice and would probably be happy to give any credit if they thought you cared enough to want it. It would be a shame to kill what looks like a perfectly good mod that poses no competition to FH simply because of a possible misunderstanding.

But that's just my 2 cents

A-260-512
08-26-2007, 06:36 PM
Under different circumstances (where the work was credited and permission was given, for example) this would be good, it's great that models of that caliber are ending up here, but it's very wrong to steal the models... You guys have a pretty good mod, unfortunately not for BFV (What I have always thought to be the ultimate BF game...). Anyway, it's too bad they didn't give credit for the imported work, it could have extended you guys out a little more from BF42.

filon102
08-26-2007, 08:23 PM
finnaly some1 with balls here!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

P.S. Look!!! On the M3 Stuart the numbers dont change!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Lauersau
08-27-2007, 08:31 AM
That reminds me on a dark chapter of the SHOWW2 time, there was a freak formally known as "GS - Wnsche" from GS - clan. He has stolen some of our SoE - RWM content. And he flatly denied all of that wrongdoing...
Shame on all thieves off intellectual property ...

Gneisenau1026
09-05-2007, 06:16 PM
show me were i can download this faces of war mod!!!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

aviator1982
09-05-2007, 06:59 PM
the download links have been deleted. The only people who most likely have the mod would be those who downloaded it when it came out but now it is no longer available because it stole from another mod.

Someguys88
09-06-2007, 11:36 PM
Ok what is the big deal, why cause so much trouble and then shut down a mod for a game that really needs it. Its a complete different game then battlefield why make such a big deal they arnt competing with you. I understand being mad that permission and/or credit wasnt asked but. To attack him and end the creation of a good mod WTF?

Bo_91
09-07-2007, 02:01 AM
Of course its a big deal! someone has put hundreds of hours making mod, then someone comes, steals the content and takes credit for your work :P would have pissed me off

aviator1982
09-07-2007, 05:11 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif I agree

BryanNitro
09-10-2007, 07:45 AM
well for one its not a big deal it happens all the time look at bill gates look at Microsoft in general. The way I look at it is when someone copies what I have done I find it flattering because they went out of there way, also this mod looked really nice prob one of the nicest mods Ive seen, one more thing the FH so called dev team is a dev team for a freakin mod for a real game if the FH team want to protect there material buy the licence and sell it end of story. Im still looking for this mod because I still want to play it.

steiner_ss
09-10-2007, 12:15 PM
me too

Popalu
09-10-2007, 12:17 PM
BryanNitro, Steiner_SS Check your PM's

Someguys88
09-11-2007, 03:31 PM
I would understand if it was a FoW mod i would have to say that he should of asked, maybe he did i dont know. And why if someone already put 100 of hours into making them why would someone else put 100's of more hours into making the same thing? And how did he take credit? by making the mod? I didnt see him brag about the mod. Maybe he asked the guy if he could use his stuff and the guy told him to piss off? and so he didnt put the name in. I dont know but the whole situation is bullcrap and the people complaining acted like kids.

filon102
09-11-2007, 03:45 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif It is like some people say "Good Job! Nice mod u made!" Which was mod called Ryan's mod, all he did is copied files from mods...that n00b i hate him http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Someguys88
09-11-2007, 04:42 PM
We arnt talking about ryans mod. We are talking about a mod made for Desert warfare.

Zeke_Wolff
09-11-2007, 06:10 PM
"Copyright by DesertWar

Dont use stuff without permission!"

The above is cut and pasted from the Desert War Mod ReadMe file. Laughable, yes.

Seriously, even if he did ask for permission and the guys behind Forgotten Hope had told him to "piss off", he isn´t allowed to steal their work and use it as his own. I´m pretty sure that the above two lines made the FH authors quite pissed, I know I would have been just that.

Maybe stealing someone elses 3d modells and take the credit for them, aint considered to be a serious crime, but still it is theft.

I´m doing some new vehicles myself, but when reading these kind of replies, well, honestly, I do not know whether I will release them or not. I too wouldn´t like to have my stuff stolen without getting any acknowledgement for my work.

~Zeke.

Someguys88
09-11-2007, 10:06 PM
Yes stealing them was wrong, and I dont know all the facts, none of us do unless one of the main people envolved wished to gives us them, but the difference between them and you is, ur mod would be for FoW wouldnt it? so stolen models would be competition i understand being mad about that. But theres is for a completely different game nothing dealing with faces of war or will ever deal with it most likely. And i understand if it was cause they broke through some kind of security and allowed other people to take models but from what ive read it was never secure, not there fault of course. Which means anyone can take and use at anytime, illegaly if they have legal protection, which i dont know if they do, doesnt matter though. yes its immoral to take other peoples stuff without asking but isnt it wrong to be a complete ***** also? And not work things out for the best of the people using the mods not just ur selfish self? Cause i dont know if anyone has noticed but faces of war is in need of a good mod cause the original game kinda sucks, but that is a different discussion there.

And about the Copyright desertwar that was really dumb on the desertwar part.

Popalu
09-12-2007, 04:53 AM
They used skins/models from a different game and then failed to give proper recognition to the original authors and insinuated that they had done them. I know it is not right to take credit for other peoples work and then put your own ******ed copyright note in the readme file, but it is hardly war crimes terroritory.

They removed the links to stop people downloading it from here, the DMS website and their own website, but it is still available through German and Russian sites, so the dilema is if people want to download a good mod, which contains stolen content, should they be allowed to? or do they have to go trawling the net, to find it in some seedy location?

I already have it, but should people be allowed to choose wether they want to boycot it or play it?

xFriedCoD
09-25-2007, 11:05 AM
okay, i dont get you FH guys
Battlefield 42 is an outdated game, why wouldnt you want your hard work to be apreciated in forever by being put in newer games??

It doesnt matter if you get credit really,
because when i see a mod i could give a rats *** who made it, who really does?

the important thing is that your hard work isnt
going to waste, let every1 use it! its not like your even selling FH for profit, then i see it makes a difference, but not even since totally diff game.

I say you should let them re-open that mod, if they give you credits... big credits like a loadscreen saying "Models from Forgotten Hope, a BF42 mod!"

I could never get your FH mod working on my computer anyway... big shame, took a loong time to dl, for nothing. &lt;- pt of that is that im 1 less person thats never seen those models in action, however if in desert war, id be able to.

therefore +1 to your models' worth

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Popalu:so the dilema is if people want to download a good mod, which contains stolen content, should they be allowed to? or do they have to go trawling the net, to find it in some seedy location? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
good point, thanks FH ***holes, now i gotta get a virus cause of your intellectual "property" greed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sabari69
09-25-2007, 12:55 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif completely http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif, just look the real war read me, our friend Purple make a real good mod and models and he shared it still if he made big stuff...Its just a story of mentality, "this is my mod, not yours http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif gnagnagna gna gna gna"

mig2007
09-25-2007, 02:42 PM
Battlefield1942 still being very playng...incluing FH! I play it and its the best...Servers get full sometimes with 64 players.
But I still like desert war and I think they should let desert war be downloaded

Shadowtig3r
09-26-2007, 07:26 AM
The models are also being used in FH2! A mod for Battlefield 2 and plz......i totally disagree the above posts, The FH devs would have let him use the models if he just asked nicely to them if he could have use some of th models. The dev. of the Desert war mod should go ask the FH devs about it and give them alot of credits and some advertising for FH2.

I got a question btw, I play realism mod for FoW, the latest, and i think the Americans and british lack tanks, it would be nice if someone could add a Super pershing tank, its a pershing tank with a longer and bigger barrel capable of destroying a King tiger tank within more than a kilometre. xD

Sabari69
09-26-2007, 08:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Shadowtig3r:
The models are also being used in FH2! A mod for Battlefield 2 and plz......i totally disagree the above posts, The FH devs would have let him use the models if he just asked nicely to them if he could have use some of th models. The dev. of the Desert war mod should go ask the FH devs about it and give them alot of credits and some advertising for FH2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhhhh, ok, im ok, i think they asked for the models, then its not the same....

Dieter_Schmidt
09-28-2007, 09:32 AM
I'll get hated for saying this but...here goes...



It's only a game

Bo_91
09-28-2007, 10:41 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Haha. Totally agree. FoW sucks anyways http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

( nah, just kidding, it's ok.)