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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 05:52 PM
First off all, there is no whining about patch, seems like everyone is being patient and respectful.
Second...
Looks like our comrades are not really happy with current build. They mentioning build7 which seems to be the last one and it appears to me that is what UBI got for testing.
From what i see early-midwar, up to early 1943 Soviet A/C was seriously crippled performance wise and chances of LW in early/mid war are better then ever, which is correct. In the same time late War LW aircraft, especially late 109`s took a major cut in their B&Z abilities due to new engine characteristics. But that is compensated with brutal firepower of MK108. As an example...most of the fighters going down after 1 hit....IL2`s after 2 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif . There are some pisitive changes in FW190A and D models, some energy and manuverability issues were adressed along with hitting power of 20mm guns.
Looks like patch gone for testing to UBI and whole development team is on vacation, first time in few years.
Just a little update for those who interested /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

V!

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 05:52 PM
First off all, there is no whining about patch, seems like everyone is being patient and respectful.
Second...
Looks like our comrades are not really happy with current build. They mentioning build7 which seems to be the last one and it appears to me that is what UBI got for testing.
From what i see early-midwar, up to early 1943 Soviet A/C was seriously crippled performance wise and chances of LW in early/mid war are better then ever, which is correct. In the same time late War LW aircraft, especially late 109`s took a major cut in their B&Z abilities due to new engine characteristics. But that is compensated with brutal firepower of MK108. As an example...most of the fighters going down after 1 hit....IL2`s after 2 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif . There are some pisitive changes in FW190A and D models, some energy and manuverability issues were adressed along with hitting power of 20mm guns.
Looks like patch gone for testing to UBI and whole development team is on vacation, first time in few years.
Just a little update for those who interested /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

V!

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 05:57 PM
Thank you for the intelligence gathering comrade Dave /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 06:03 PM
Excellent news.

Especially the crippled VVS /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif i like my prey nice and easy thank you /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Combined with the FWs in 1942/43 this is going to be a blast /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Edit: On a sidenote, where are these russian forums? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 06:07 PM
very good news... thanks... /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 06:11 PM
Sounds great.........

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 06:13 PM
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=87537144c1396555d746062a1ee826a b&forumid=17

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 06:14 PM
Best of luck to the dev team, hope that they have a good holiday. As long as UBI haven't gone too...../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 06:17 PM
Hmmmm, how do I learn russian and the cyrillic alphabet real quick /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

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07-08-2003, 06:23 PM
By using some internet translator? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 06:27 PM
Internet translator will not work well with forums...there is more slang in it then normal language /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 06:27 PM
Thank you, wish this forum wasn't filled with posts about the patch. It's still a fun game, i can wait.


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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 06:32 PM
Hopefully Oleg and his crew don´t succumb to the Russian whining like they did last time.

I-16´s and such are good planes, but they shouldn´t be good enough to be able to beat 109´s 9 times out of 10 (at least in terms of AI)

From what I hear too, the AI has improved for german planes, more extending manuevers etc.

Thanks for the info. CrazyIvan /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 06:50 PM
Regarding I-16 and 153 Their ability to go vertical and hang by the prop according to guys at the forums was cut off by 50%. Maybe they are overreacting...but who knows lol.
We will see. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 07:00 PM
CrazyIvan I hearby appoint you information minister to the republic of UBI. Your keen intelligence gathering and well written posts are much needed here mate. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 07:02 PM
Thx crazyivan for the info. Looks as if the work that has been done on the update will bring new challenges. More reasons to whine. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif What Iam looking for is a more varied balance in the game and not the uphill battle gibbage pointed out in a recent post. One I can subscribe to. But it is still a fun game.
why russians don't whine. They have 80 years of cue culture and nothing is going to make them budge. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ZG77_Nagual
07-08-2003, 07:05 PM
Thanks CrazyIvan.
Sounds like they pretty much hit all the salient points.

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 07:16 PM
Thanx for the possitive post CrazyIvan.

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07-08-2003, 07:18 PM
It is good to hear how the Russian fans are thinking.


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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 07:33 PM
Thank you Crazyivan. That's all I wanted was some info. Now if we can just have some vague idea of when.

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 07:37 PM
NP guys, i`ll read some more, right now CEO is lurking around so i better stop reading /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 07:43 PM
Thanks Crazyivan!

Those balancing issues sound very good indeed that Luftwaffe weakens towards end and russians on the other hand are weaker pre '43!

Adds more reality and takes away the "scientifically balanced" game-feeling.

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 07:49 PM
Screw work Ivan, priorities man, priorities! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

(My new boss is out until Friday, woohoo /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 07:52 PM
Those Russians are so frustrating.

It's like they have a different word for EVERYTHING, and write in some sort of code as well.

Couldn't make out a word of it!

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 08:05 PM
It would just be nice to fly my Ju87B-2 stuka at 5000m and be able to outrun an I-153 and I-16 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 08:11 PM
StG77_Kondor wrote:
- Hopefully Oleg and his crew don´t succumb to the
- Russian whining like they did last time.

They never did.

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 08:17 PM
Sure they did.

Do you really think the I-16 how it stands in the game now, flies like it did in real life?

If it did...they should´ve kept it for the entire war!

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 08:18 PM
Thank you, Ivan. It is good to hear that someone, somewhere is informed. Shame that Ubi can't tell us any of this. Tavarish! (or however you spell it) Thanks mate!


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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 08:27 PM
thanks for the info

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 08:29 PM
BA_Dart wrote:
- Those Russians are so frustrating.
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- It's like they have a different word for EVERYTHING,
- and write in some sort of code as well.
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- Couldn't make out a word of it!
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That's because russian language is overmodelled ! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 08:35 PM
StG77_Kondor wrote:
- Sure they did.
-
- Do you really think the I-16 how it stands in the
- game now, flies like it did in real life?
-
- If it did...they should´ve kept it for the entire
- war!

The only thing that is off is the climb rate, other then that the I-16 is a joke.

But since all climb rates are a bit whacked in FB it has nothing to do with whining.

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 08:41 PM
Ahhhhh,new info....Ivan is my hero. Now what would have be so hard for Ubi or even the dev. team to tell us this?

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 09:01 PM
StG77_Kondor::
-- I-16´s and such are good planes, but they shouldn´t be
-- good enough to be able to beat 109´s 9 times out of 10
-- (at least in terms of AI)

They don't:: In very small AI fights, 16s dominate. In large furballs, 109s dominate. Bizzare. Try it out in QMB 16x16 AI aircraft (set yours to autopilot and wait about 15 minutes and start counting using external view). Granted, I forgot which I~16s I set when I was doing this. Also, I was using 16 109E's which almost outclimbs 109K.

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 09:15 PM
all the beta testers speak russian and french thats why


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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 09:28 PM
For your viewing pleasure (just envious for all those compliments to Ivan) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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ROSS_Youss wrote:

Last Three days of flying on patch gave me an unequivocal conclusion - none of the red plane 41-42 years can take on the blue plane in an in an equal fight (under condition of active use of a vertical maneuver (for Blue side - me ) ).


Except any case of absurdities and accidents (such as head-on, shooting from 600m and the German pilot hanging in stallfight )

1941 models - chance of a victory against 109E or 109F

Yak-1 - 5 % = stalling/spinning dumb-***
Yak-7b - 10 % = heavy stalling/spinning dumb-***
MiG-3 - 0 % = fast flying on a straight line Ransom lighter
LaGG-41 - 0 % = heavy, stalling/spinning Ransom lighter made out of cardboard
And - 16 - 5 % = heavily armed old weakling
And - 153 - 0 % = linen old weakling

Model 1942 - chance of a victory against 109F or 109G-2

Yak-1b - 40 % = the first chance of the VVS
Yak-9 - 30 % = the second try - no cigar
La-5 - 25 % = dim-plexiglased misunderstanding
P-39N - 40 % = the second chance from Uncle Sam

Model 1943 - chance of a victory against 109G or 190A-4

La-5F - 50 % = the first equal fighter for the VVS
Yak-9D - 40 % = heavy replacement for Yak-1b
La-5FN - 60 % = the improved version of the first fighter
Yak-9T - 25 % = let me catch up and I will shoot
LaGG-43 - 55% = a refutation of a rule " the good plane could not be named LaGG"

Did not have time to fly on-line. Flu against JG51, JG27, SLI.

I-153 and I-16 climb rate was cut almost twofold. For early Yaks to get to more 400km/h - it is problematic - unless in dive... Red plane of 41-42 spin/stall at the slightest pretext... Yaks break in a dive at 650km/h... Bf109F-4 and G-2 - like Mercedes - press the gas pedal and you are departing into space.
I have no clue what VVS is going to do in 41-42.

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Message Edited on 07/08/0304:31PM by Bogun

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 09:52 PM
LMAO Bogan, you`v done much better then i did hahahaa....right on mate. I did translate it in other thread, but this is much funnier, thanks, still LMAO!!!

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:08 PM
Man, I would love to see Yaks and 109's take some sort of performance hit, just for the sake of diversity. Fix the crazy climbing 109E, and make late 109's harder to handle. Make Yaks vulnerable to cannon fire and make them bleed more energy. An improved handling (but less tough) FW-190= /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

A couple things I don't understand, why does Yak-1B have a better chance than the Yak-9, they were very similar. And why does the Yak-9D have a better chance than the Yak-9, the Yak-9 was better IMHO, the "D" just added fuel and range. Also, Yak-9T performs almost the same as Yak-9D and 1B, so why less of a chance? I thought the Yak-9, 9D, 1B, and 9T all performed about the same.

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:14 PM
I've never read that a Yak stalled easy, or couldn't get over 400 km/h. Is this what the luftwhiners wanted. Just easy targets?

Your flying real planes though, so I guess it's alright.

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:33 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- I've never read that a Yak stalled easy, or couldn't
- get over 400 km/h. Is this what the luftwhiners
- wanted. Just easy targets?

- Da Buzz

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:35 PM
"Sure they did.

Do you really think the I-16 how it stands in the game now, flies like it did in real life?"


I-16 was a great plane in early war.


Great acceleration - was good opponent for Emil.

Started to get outclassed in F series. (speed and climb) - however I-16 still have good acceleration.


Only issue I could imagine with i-16 could be the DM - bit stronger than I can imagine.

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:37 PM
As long as early russian planes are not immune to damage anymore ill be happy.

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:42 PM
Recon, with all due respect mate. I-16 was a great turnfighter but on vertical it was no match to Emil, same applies to level speed. As for durability, it could take alot of damage...but everything to the limit, you know what i mean /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
This is not what i think, this is what soviet fighter pilots thought of it. It served well in the beginning of the war, no doubt tho.

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:46 PM
It is no match now in vertical.

Emil has no issues with i-16 currently if you know how to fly an Emil.

i-16 can't touch it.

Having good acceleration means it could turn, but then get a short burst to follow an emil on climb.

Couldn't keep up with it - I think that is modelled correctly now.

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Message Edited on 07/08/0309:47PM by Recon_609IAP

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:49 PM
for to say in all that:

thanks for the update Ivan!

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:50 PM
Gotcha Recon, right on. Wasn`t trying to doubt what you said, just making a note that up to early 1943 LW had superior fighters....then they found their match /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 11:27 PM
Recon_609IAP wrote:
- "Sure they did.
-
- -
-
- I-16 was a great plane in early war.
-
-
- Great acceleration - was good opponent for Emil.
-
- Started to get outclassed in F series. (speed and
- climb) - however I-16 still have good acceleration.
-
--

Must be why the I-16 was so outclassed/oughtfought by fixed undercarrage A5M over China and Manchuria, why they faired so poorly versus early 109 over Spain. Must be how the Luftwaffe was destroyed in 1941...

"Our aviators first encountered the A5M2 at the time of the conflict at the Khalkin Gol River. According to official sources, at the start of the attack the Japanese had there 25 I-96 and I-97 (Soviet designation) fighters. This, to all appearances was the first instance of using shipboard fighters in an army theater of operations.

Soviet fighter pilots taking part in these operations noted the high maneuverability of the Japanese. Thus, for example, hero of the Soviet Union G. N. Zakharov[1] wrote "the machine is very light, maneuverable, and in the hands of a good pilot presents itself as a very serious opponent."hero of the Soviet Union B. A. Smirnov[2] had almost the identical opinion, commenting that "the Japanese aircraft I-96 has a light weight and possesses good vertical and horizontal maneuverability."


Things got worse as they tangled with more modern fixed undercarrage army Ki-27s over Kahlkin Gol


Message Edited on 07/09/0311:33AM by Bastables

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 11:57 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- First off all, there is no whining about patch,
- seems like everyone is being patient and respectful.
-
-
YEAH RIGHT, the understatement of the year! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 01:11 AM
Plat, i went thru entire forum, no one is screaming...check it for yourself /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 01:34 AM
i do love the info/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
thanks

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 09:53 AM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- Plat, i went thru entire forum, no one is
- screaming...check it for yourself

Then you wheren't here while all the threads about patches where locked AND deleted. really, the mods (EURO_SNOOPY and VENGEANZE) where really busy.

Anyways, I don't want ppl to shout and scream about things.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 10:36 AM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
- The only thing that is off is the climb rate, other
- then that the I-16 is a joke.

You conveniently forgot it being bulletproof.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 11:09 AM
Sounds good.. I actually start to believe that Oleg spoke true: "Patch changes everything"

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 11:45 AM
thanxs Ivan - interesting update - you haven't broken NDA or anything have you /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 11:54 AM
So how is making the Axis planes even more uber by making already weak allied planes worse, going to help anyone ?
examples:
I16 engine cuts out if you dip the nose a bit too quick.
Hurricanes guns are like peashooters ... 8 guns should do damage.
Mig 3 takes hardly any damage before getting shot out of the sky.
P40 stalls/spins at slightest opportunity.
etc.
Congrats Luftwhiners, now you will have less people to fly against in iow/vef/vow etc .. who is going to want to fly against such odds.
It should be remebered this is for entertainment with a basis on realism, very few people here are qualified to say how these planes handled in real life anyway.
I am hoping this patch doesn't make the situation for VVS squads any worse.

XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 02:34 PM
Werre_ wrote:
-
- Cappadocian_317 wrote:
-- The only thing that is off is the climb rate, other
-- then that the I-16 is a joke.
-
- You conveniently forgot it being bulletproof.
-
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- src="http://sivusto.servepics.com/~lahnat/werre2s.
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- veiting foor p¤ts

Oh & the 109 E climbs better than the K.
None of the 109s suffers from torque the way IMHO they should. They are too easy to fly & this makes them very easy to aim with. Only the Hurri is as good a gun platform currently.

I'm sure the luft flieger will still whine after the patch.
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Except of course for the Finnish squadrons they seem like real gentlemen. No complaining & they make do with luftwaffe hand me downs.


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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 03:11 PM
Saburo_0 wrote:
- Oh & the 109 E climbs better than the K.
- None of the 109s suffers from torque the way IMHO
- they should. They are too easy to fly & this makes
- them very easy to aim with. Only the Hurri is as
- good a gun platform currently.

We all know emil is too good climbwise.
The emil is easy to aim with, thanks to wing cannons, but the small revi and bad recoil and big muzzle flashes hinder 109's usability quite a bit - and its weapons are lousy against anything but MiGs.

- I'm sure the luft flieger will still whine after the
- patch.

Some will.. that is the human nature. Never to be content with anything for long.

- Except of course for the Finnish squadrons they seem
- like real gentlemen. No complaining & they make do
- with luftwaffe hand me downs.

Generalizations like this one rarely hold truth ... there are gentlemanly finns and then there are real bastards - just like in any other population.


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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 03:17 PM
Sorry, the Fins not complaining here?

I guess you missed the big threads in Oleg's ready room.

As for the Bullet proof thing on the I-16 that I so conveniently forgot to mention as you put it is because it has been said a 1000 times already so I don't really feel the need to say it again.

But your right, there are planes that are not taking damage from small caliber fire, the FW190 being one of them as well.

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 03:20 PM
Platypus_1.JaVA wrote:
-
- crazyivan1970 wrote:
-- First off all, there is no whining about patch,
-- seems like everyone is being patient and respectful.
--
--
- YEAH RIGHT, the understatement of the year!

You were talking about the RUSSIAN forum, were you not Ivan?


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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 03:22 PM
bartflaster1 wrote:
- So how is making the Axis planes even more uber by
- making already weak allied planes worse, going to
- help anyone ?
- examples:
- I16 engine cuts out if you dip the nose a bit too
- quick.
- Hurricanes guns are like peashooters ... 8 guns
- should do damage.
- Mig 3 takes hardly any damage before getting shot
- out of the sky.

Well I'm qualified enough to say the I-16 will cut-out under negative G - it did in real life.

The Hurri's guns are OK - I have no probs killing a/c with them but all the .303's are getting looked at as are the 20mm.

The MiG was very prone to damage and fire as it was mostly made of wood /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

If you think the allied aircraft are weak then..... well, what can I say. I don't want to rant on but this is just getting silly - forget DF arenas and look at the capabilities of these aircraft in FB.

Key factors that cripple LW aircraft :
No High-Alt flight model
MG 151/20 weak
Low elevator authority of FW190
Mk108 issues

Key Factors that cripple VVS types:
Poor climbrate of some aircraft
Damage model issues with the FW190

We regularly fly the VVS types in squad training as "Aggressors" and find the VVS types (with exceptions) to outperform most contemporary LW aircraft. The FB Flight Model gives low wingloading aircraft an advantage, High Angle of Attack Moves do not bleed enough energy and almost all aircraft have similar dive rates. Couple this with the lack of a proper High-Alt flight model and you have robbed the LW aircraft of most of their historical advantages.

We can argue this forever and a day and I won't change your point of view, give me solid evidence and a good supportive argument and I will change my point of view /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 03:26 PM
- The MiG was very prone to damage and fire as it was mostly made of wood

"mosquito" usually comes to mind. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 06:15 PM
LOL Lexx /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

If you could only catch the bugger!
Don't forget my G-6 with its wooden tail /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 06:19 PM
MiloMorai wrote:
-
- Platypus_1.JaVA wrote:
--
-- crazyivan1970 wrote:
--- First off all, there is no whining about patch,
--- seems like everyone is being patient and respectful.
---
---
-- YEAH RIGHT, the understatement of the year!
-
- You were talking about the RUSSIAN forum, were you
- not Ivan?
-
-

Yeah i was Milo.

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