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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2006, 07:34 AM
Wondering what fighters were used during the above time period in the Luftwaffe, RAF & USAAF.
To my knowledge it would be the following:

LW:109F4,109G2 & FW190A4
RAF: SpitfireVb, Vc & HurricaneIIc
USAAF: ?


Did the USAAF use P39s & P40s over the channel or Spitfires?

Any help will be appreciated

Low_Flyer_MkVb
08-30-2006, 08:02 AM
Couple of RAF p-40/Tommahawk units, but until p-38,47 & 51 deliveries the USAAF used Spitfires. I'm sure someone will be along with dates soon.

Oh, and this little fellow saw some service...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/WhirlyAtPlay.jpg

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F19Gladiator
08-30-2006, 08:16 AM
No USAAF P-39s or P-40s used there. About the Spitfires you can check out:

http://www.star-games.com/exhibits/spitfire/spitops.html

Under:
Chapter Four: THE 31st AND 52nd FIGHTER GROUPS IN COMBAT

For more extensive use of Spitfires by USAAF check out the air war in North Africa.

Xiolablu3
08-30-2006, 08:37 AM
Spitfire IX from late '42. But only in small numbers in '42 and MkV's still were more numerous in 1943, althought hey were higher boost 'clipped,cropped and clapped SPits. The SPitfire IX in '42 was also the Merlin 61 version and we dont have that in game. If its 1943 you could have Spitfire IX, but it would be a good idea to limit the numbers if you are making a map. This can be done now with Server Commander I think?

Mosquito, Stirlings, Halifax, Lancaster, P47, P38, Typhoon, P51 B/C

Are you wanting plane types that are in game only for a channel '42/43 map?

Maybe Blenhiem? I think I remember Blenhiem raids in 1942.

You can check actual bomber raids and plane types used in the site I posted :

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4281008674

Details almost every raid by Bomber comand in the war, chack '42/43.

Monty_Thrud
08-30-2006, 10:51 AM
RAF~ Jan 1942

Hurricane IIA/B/C
Tomahawk I/II
Havoc I/II
Beaufighter IF/IIF
Typhoon IA
Spitfire IIA/IIB/VB/VA
Defiant I/II
Whirlwind I
Mosquito II
Boston III
Aircobra I

RAF~ Jan 1943

Typhoon IB/IB
Mustang I
Hurricane IIC/IIB/IID
Tomahawk I/IIA
Spitfire VB/VC/IV/VI/IX/IXB
Beaufighter IF/IIF/VIF
Mosquito II
Whirlwind I
Boston III
Defiant II

These are from Fighter Commands War Diaries '42 - '43

TOP-HO!

faustnik
08-30-2006, 10:59 AM
Hey, I can use my Jg26 chart. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mdegnan/_images/Jg26_Operational_Fw190_vers.gif

Jaws2002
08-30-2006, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Spitfire IX from late '42. But only in small numbers in '42 and MkV's still were more numerous in 1943, althought hey were higher boost 'clipped,cropped and clapped SPits. The SPitfire IX in '42 was also the Merlin 61 version and we dont have that in game. If its 1943 you could have Spitfire IX, but it would be a good idea to limit the numbers if you are making a map. This can be done now with Server Commander I think?

Mosquito, Stirlings, Halifax, Lancaster, P47, P38, Typhoon, P51 B/C

Are you wanting plane types that are in game only for a channel '42/43 map?

Maybe Blenhiem? I think I remember Blenhiem raids in 1942.

You can check actual bomber raids and plane types used in the site I posted :

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4281008674

Details almost every raid by Bomber comand in the war, chack '42/43.

P-51B/C weht in combat over channel late december 1943.

Xiolablu3
08-30-2006, 12:38 PM
Rgr, thanks for the correction Jaws.

Thats a wicked chart Faustnik!

faustnik
08-30-2006, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:


Thats a wicked chart Faustnik!

Thanks Xiolablu! I'm happy to have a chance to actually use it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Xiolablu3
08-30-2006, 04:22 PM
Hope you dont mind, I posted it over at UKded forums becasue it will come in very useful for the map makers to get the right FW190 on each map.


http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/showthread.php?p=114872#post114872

If its not OK pls say and Ill take it down.

faustnik
08-30-2006, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Hope you dont mind, I posted it over at UKded forums becasue it will come in very useful for the map makers to get the right FW190 on each map.


http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/showthread.php?p=114872#post114872

If its not OK pls say and Ill take it down.

Please feel free to use it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif The dates are taken from JG26 loss records, so it is possible for a particular a/c to be used slightly earlier or later. My logic in using loss records is that if a type is used in significant numbers on combat operations, losses due to any number of reason are very likely to quickly occur.

horseback
08-30-2006, 10:17 PM
USAAF had the 4th FG flying Spit Vbs from September 1942 into March of '43, when they converted (with much protest) to P-47Cs, joined shortly thereafter by the 56th and 78th FGs in the same type. Only the 56th had prior experience with the Jug; the 78th had trained up in Lightnings only to lose them as replacement a/c for Torch in N. Africa (who knows what they might have accomplished had they kept their P-38s?).

Late summer of '42 into October or so of that year, there were sporadic operations by the Lightning groups that went to Torch (1st, 14th & 82nd I think), as well as the 31st and 52nd FGs in Spit Vs. At least one of the American Spitfire groups was quite active at Dieppe, providing targets for JG 2 and JG 26.

The first 8th AF B-17 raids were flown in September/October of '42, and the A-20 Boston/Havoc outfits that later went into Torch probably were blooded then as well; the 'first' US bombing raid on Occupied Europe took place with borrowed Bostons on the 4th of July, 1942.

cheers

horseback

TX-Gunslinger
08-30-2006, 10:47 PM
As per Oleg - FW-190A-5 should be substituted for FW-190A4 - until A6 arrives in late 43. Il2-FB-AEP A4 is East front Jabo. You'll find no similar A/C in any JG on channel front.

The current A4 does'nt even meet A3 specs. It might be a reasonable A2/A1, of course firepower is too high, acceleration too low.



S~

luftluuver
08-30-2006, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by horseback:
The first 8th AF B-17 raids were flown in September/October of '42, and the A-20 Boston/Havoc outfits that later went into Torch probably were blooded then as well; the 'first' US bombing raid on Occupied Europe took place with borrowed Bostons on the 4th of July, 1942.

cheers

horseback That must have been some fireworks display. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

horseback
08-30-2006, 11:27 PM
Yep-punctuated with the loss of half the crews and aircraft.

I'm afraid it was more a symbolic blow than a real one, but we probably made up for it the following year.

cheers

horseback

F19Gladiator
08-31-2006, 05:52 AM
I saw the Airacobra (RAF P-39) listed above and I correct my earlier statement as the Airacobra saw some limited action:

By the end of September, No. 601 Squadron had received permission to take its Airacobras into action. On October 9, two Airacobras took off from RAF Manston and flew across the Channel on a "rhubarb"--a code name for a small-scale raid by fighters against targets of opportunity. On this raid, they shot up an enemy trawler near Gravelines. The next day two Airacobras visited the same area, but found no targets. On October 11, two aircraft flew to Gravelines and Calais and hit some enemy barges and then three Airacobras flew to Ostend, but no targets were found.

After these four missions, the RAF Airacobras were taken off operations because of difficulties encountered with the compass. The compass was too close to the guns in the nose, and when the guns were fired, the compass got thrown out of alignment. Deviations of anything from 7 degrees to 165 degrees were recorded. Without a reliable compass, pilots tend to get themselves lost. In December of 1941, the Airacobra was officially withdrawn from operational service with the RAF.

In spite of the problems with the compass and the need for flame dampers for the exhaust and flash suppressors for the nose guns, the RAF concluded that the Airacobra would make an excellent day fighter at altitudes below 20,000 feet and was well suited for the ground-attack role. However, before these plans could be implemented, a decision was made to divert the bulk of the British Airacobra contract to Russia.

The above is found at:

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p39_5.html (http://home.att.net/%7Ejbaugher1/p39_5.html)

I however still believe the P-40 was never used operationally over the British Channel.

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Beaufort-RAF
09-15-2006, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by F19Gladiator:

The above is found at:

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p39_5.html (http://home.att.net/%7Ejbaugher1/p39_5.html)


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Thanks for the link, I wanted to know the details of the handful of RAF Aircobra ops. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

F6_Ace
09-15-2006, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by TX-Gunslinger:
As per Oleg - FW-190A-5 should be substituted for FW-190A4 - until A6 arrives in late 43. Il2-FB-AEP A4 is East front Jabo. You'll find no similar A/C in any JG on channel front.

The current A4 does'nt even meet A3 specs. It might be a reasonable A2/A1, of course firepower is too high, acceleration too low.



S~

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ImpStarDuece
09-15-2006, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by dasriech:
Wondering what fighters were used during the above time period in the Luftwaffe, RAF & USAAF.
To my knowledge it would be the following:

LW:109F4,109G2 & FW190A4
RAF: SpitfireVb, Vc & HurricaneIIc
USAAF: ?


Did the USAAF use P39s & P40s over the channel or Spitfires?

Any help will be appreciated


RAF Fighter Command strength as 01-July-1943:

Spitfire Vb/Vc/VI: 32 squadrons
Spitfire IX/VII: 12 squadrons
Spitfire XII: 2 squadrons
Typhoon Ib: 18 squadrons
Mustang I: 13 Squadrons
Beaufighter VIF: 9 squadrons
Mosquito II: 7 squadrons
Mosquito XII, XV: 4 squadrons
Hurricane IV: 2 squadrons
Whirlwind: 1 squadron

USAAF Fighter Strength:

8 squadrons of P-47Ds
4 mixed squadrons of P-47C/Ds