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02-03-2007, 06:55 PM
I was looking at Iron crosses, and noticed that they all, including the Knights Cross of the Iron Cross, have a date on the lower leg of the cross, in this case 1939. Was this generic to the medal (all IC, KCIC had 1939 on them), or was this specific to the date of issue of the individual medal, in which case some have 1940, 1941, etc? If it is only 1939, then what was so special about 1939? The year the war started, or the first time the medal was issued, perhaps?

02-03-2007, 07:05 PM
The dates on the bottom of the medals (Iron Crosses, War Merit Crosses...etc) are the dates that the medal was instituted. For example, on my Iron Cross 2nd Class WW1, one side has 1813 with "FW" (Kaiser Freidich Wilhelm) and 1914 "W" (Kaiser Wilhelm). No matter what date the award was received, it only had the instituted date enscribed on it.

02-08-2007, 09:53 PM
I like to watch Iron Crosses and other German Awards from WW2.I think there was no army with so well designed medals. They are small works of art. I have a modest collection of german awards but i hope some day to have collection like thishttp://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/Janek73/colltn4a.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/Janek73/colltn3b.jpg

02-08-2007, 11:03 PM
Before I read your message, I assumed these were all yours http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif, nevertheless, this is a grand collection. If you guys like, I can post some pictures of my collection. Its not as complete as the one in the picture but its diverse.

02-09-2007, 02:33 AM
Yes , show them to us. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The only medal i have is this one from the east german army. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My brother got it after completing his conscript time and gave it to me.




German medals of today look like this

Honor Cross in Gold (also available in silver and in bronce)


Medal of Honor of the Bundeswehr (No combat medal)


02-09-2007, 06:53 AM
Do they still have the same or similar system that they wear medals on specific parts of the uniform even in combat ? Are there any medals that are similar to say the Iron Cross 2nd Class, Knights Cross....etc ?

02-09-2007, 07:09 AM
A no to both questions.

Actually ...there are no combat medals at all because of...you might already guessed it..and as rediculous as it might sound ....there is no combat for the german army http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

02-09-2007, 01:11 PM
Alright, here is a quick overview of my current collection:

<LI>Knights Cross - Not genuine to WW2, but genuine in the quality of its make (not made to this quality anymore).
<LI>Orden Pour Le Merite (Blux Max) - Not genuine, genuine ones are far out of my price range.
<LI>Iron Cross 2nd Class WW2 with ribbon - Genuine, one of the early war editions and even has the manufactuer stamp on the ribbon ring.
<LI>Iron Cross 1st Class WW1 Navy Edition - Genuine, the quality is absolutely stunning and is one of my favourites.
<LI>Iron Cross 2nd Class WW1 with ribbon - Genuine, and in magnificent quality.
<LI>Hindenburg Cross or War Honour Cross - Genuine, although the ribbon is rinkled, the medal itself is in beautiful condition.
<LI>War Merit Cross 2nd Class without Swords - Genuine, still retains its bronze appearence. It came in its original pouch complete with the tissue paper that the medal was wrapped in.
<LI>War Merit Medal - Genuine and in good condition.
<LI>War Merit Cross 2nd Class with Swords - Genuine, a late war edition because the bronze wash is all faded away. Beautiful quality.
<LI>Iron Cross 2nd Class WW1 without ribbon - Not genuine, you can see the differences compared to genuine one.
<LI>Condor Legion Wound Badge in Gold - Genuine, and in fantastic condition.
<LI>Afrika Korps cuff title - Genuine, another one of the beautiful specimens.
<LI>Dintinguished Flying Cross - Not genuine, unlike German medals, British ones are very hard to come by, espeically the presigious ones. It has "COPY" stamped on the back. Despite this, my source says veterans have a heck of a time distinguishing between a genuine and non genuine unless they see the copy on the back. One of the odd bits my collection as I expand into the British Empire.
<LI>My great grandfather's military pass - Thought I would include this as it is genuine (over 110 years old) and shows where he was assigned during WW1 and includes dates. Because of the old style of writing, it is difficult to make most of the writing out, nevertheless my dad and I were able to translate some of it.

And now for some pictures - PICTURE HEAVY!!!

An overview of my collection

Knight's Cross - I'm currently waiting to get the additional clusters for the Knights Cross.

Orden Pour Le Merite or Blux Max

Iron Cross 2nd Class WW2

Iron Cross 1st Class WW1 Front Side

Reverse side

Iron Cross 2nd Class with Ribbon

Hindenburg Cross or War Honour Cross

War Merit Cross 2nd Class without Swords

And pouch
War Merit Medal

War Merit Cross 2nd Class with Swords

Iron Cross 2nd Class without Ribbon - Notice the differences from the genuine one ?

Condor Legion Wound Badge in Gold front

Reverse side, identical to a WW1 wound badge except for the swastika.

Afrika Korps cuff title

Distinguished Flying Cross

My great grandfather's military pass during WW1 - If you guys want more information or pictures, I can post them.

02-09-2007, 01:26 PM
Man, nice collection, I only just started.
All I have is a U-Boat War Badge. I don't even know if it's real, I would post pictures, but I have no digital camera, or a scanner. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Again, Thats a reall nice collection!
PS. I almost bought a Blue Max, but just out of a resonalble price for me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

02-09-2007, 01:36 PM
Wow thats a very nice collection http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Yes the pour le Merite is a very old and rare medal and that makes a high price obligatory http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

02-11-2007, 12:15 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gifThanks for pictures and overview, nice collection. I like especially crosses, even repro Knight Cross looks good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gifhttp://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/Janek73/bisschenek.jpg
This is my collection....... no no it's also not mine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif my is really small.

02-11-2007, 01:36 AM
I only have one Iron Cross 2nd Class with Ribbon. That's all my collection of German medals.
Could you post some more informations about your grandfather?

02-13-2007, 03:53 PM
My great grandfather enlisted with the German army on April 15th, 1902 and attended an Unteroffizer military school at the age of 17. I am not sure what his duties were or where he was assigned but with the help of my dad and my uncle in translating, we were able to make out he was an NCO. The list of promotions and years is shown in his military pass. Shortforms are used and some ranks are hard to make out but this is what I can estimate:

<LI>March 22nd, 1904 Obergefreiter
<LI>August 27th. 1904 Unteroffizer
<LI>October 15th, 1907 Feldwebel
<LI>April 15th, 1914 Vizefeldwebel

From what i could learn, he was assigned to various reserve regiments, probably for training of troops...etc and for his experience at the military school. He left active service sometime in 1915 (there is a stamp from an Oberleutnant confirming his leave) but was recalled in September, 1916 (a card is included and this is where my dad, uncle and I were able to make our his rank). He returned to active service as a Vizefeldwebel and assigned an honourary position of somesort and was again assigned to various reserve regiments. My guess is that he might have worked near or out of some command posts. There are some regimental stamps are in his military pass but I am unable to find a listing of German regiments in 1917. I am currently unaware of his duties during the last two years of the war but he survived the war. He died in Germany in November of 1946.

Some photos:

The list of his promotions over his years of service


A section including one of his regimental postings


A regiment stamp


His call to back service card