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Bearcat99
11-03-2006, 08:27 PM
WOW!! so far this is decent.. I just got in a little while ago.. but I saw the Mig vs Sabre bit.... EXCELLENT!!!! I dont know how the gen pop will take it.. but this show is a simmer's or any aviation fan's dream. I wish we could get metal like that in this sim.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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<span class="ev_code_white">Oleg: I think players should upgrade their PC after the release of Storm of War: The Battle of Britain, but not now. Minimum system would be probably like last year good system for IL-2 series. The simulation has gone from what was to be a study sim involving one aircraft to a real monster anthology of WWII aviation. The engine has been stretched to fit multi-engined bombers, aircraft that are linked (such as the Mistel and the TB-3/I-16 combinations), aircraft carriers, runway cratering, working searchlights, etc.



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Esel1964
11-03-2006, 08:53 PM
Yeah,The part about Risner pushing his wing man,then he died tangled in a chute was amazing and tragic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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dugong
11-03-2006, 08:55 PM
It blew my mind when the one pilot stated that when a Mig fired from behind the percussion was so strong it "shook the rudder." He stated when he felt that it was time to start jinking.

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Bearcat99
11-03-2006, 08:59 PM
Awesome stuff.... makes you hunger fior a Korea sim thats for sure.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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<span class="ev_code_white">Oleg: I think players should upgrade their PC after the release of Storm of War: The Battle of Britain, but not now. Minimum system would be probably like last year good system for IL-2 series. The simulation has gone from what was to be a study sim involving one aircraft to a real monster anthology of WWII aviation. The engine has been stretched to fit multi-engined bombers, aircraft that are linked (such as the Mistel and the TB-3/I-16 combinations), aircraft carriers, runway cratering, working searchlights, etc.



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wayno7777
11-03-2006, 09:00 PM
Good show!.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Esel1964
11-03-2006, 09:13 PM
I can't wait for next week! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Copperhead310th
11-03-2006, 09:32 PM
"DAMN LEE YOU JUST TOOK OUT THIER ENTIRE AIRFORCE!"
LOL God i love that guy. He's just great.

I Mean that's one hell of a pilot. Giving yer wingie a push back to the coast. lol BALLS, king size titainum BALLS.

The F-86 had a kill ratio of 7 to 1.
and by the F & G models was on even par with the mig. Hell Yeah Bring on Korea and the radar giuded gunsight! i'm ready.

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Rjel
11-03-2006, 10:48 PM
Good show, definately a keeper. My one disappointment was when they mentioned Vermont Garrison, they failed to say he an ace in both WWII and Korea, both times serving with the 4thFG\FW.

I thought too that the animations of flight were the best I've seen in either movie or television. No "flat" turns or awkward flight. Every scene seemed fluid and realistic.

I hope the follow on segments are as well made. Hopefully some will show the opposing side of the story, if for no other reason than to keep the naysayers at bay on these forums.

GAU-8
11-03-2006, 11:22 PM
i saw the one this morning about the WWI aces, teh red B, richenbacher (sp?) and the others.. excellent show i thought..found a purpose for the ole TIVO type thing to record stuff when im not home finally . its like watching a hyper graphic version of il-2 tracks, or il-2 movies.. good stuff!

S~ copper!

Xiolablu3
11-03-2006, 11:45 PM
Was cool, but I felt a bit disappointed by the end.

I wanted to see how Gunther Rall got his most difficult kill, or Bob Doe in the Battle of Britain, Kozedub on the Eastern front, Or maybe some stuff about Hartmanns fights because he was probably the best Air to Air pilot recently. By the last one I was feeling the 'hollywood factor' a bit as another US 'Ace' blew away another 'Evil Commie/Nazi'. (delete as appropriate) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Would have been better with a more balanced worldwide approach.


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Rjel
11-04-2006, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Was cool, but I felt a bit disappointed by the end.

I wanted to see how Gunther Rall got his most difficult kill, or Bob Doe in the Battle of Britain, Kozedub on the Eastern front, Or maybe some stuff about Hartmanns fights because he was probably the best Air to Air pilot recently. By the last one I was feeling the 'hollywood factor' a bit as another US 'Ace' blew away another 'Evil Commie/Nazi'. (delete as appropriate) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Would have been better with a more balanced worldwide approach.


Still enjoyed it tho! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

It was just one episode. Perhaps the other side's view will be shown at some point. Why not email the History Channel with your thought's on future shows? It would be interesting to see how well they could recreate it, especially if they could track down any surviving Russian, Chinese or North Korean pilots.

In my opinion though, neither Risner, Parr or Blesse denegrated their opponents. They each seemed to be rather complimentary towards their opposite numbers in Korea.

Dew-Claw
11-04-2006, 01:23 AM
I'll tell you what...
I want the camera shake effect, when the planes pass by, and the lock then zoom view they used in the sim scenes.
What I could do with tracks with those effects at my disposal.

It adds so much to the overall effect.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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papotex
11-04-2006, 01:58 AM
i got the feeling luthier is working on a korea
airwar add-on OR stand alone sim off the BOB engine.

ill be so glad since i have a passion for guns only dogfights in jets since SU27-Flanker 1.0 was released in 1995 from the russian dev team Eagle Dinamics.

and today for some reason i can't understand the same dev team released lock on but no one does guns only fights any more, internet pilots are more interested in beyond visual range stuff(with missiles)wich to me in boring

RCAF_Irish_403
11-04-2006, 05:12 AM
Originally posted by Esel1964:
Yeah,The part about Risner pushing his wing man,then he died tangled in a chute was amazing and tragic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

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OMG...That was fantastic...i mean, the pushing part....not Risners wingie drowning<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

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Bearcat99
11-04-2006, 06:46 AM
Im curious as to which F-86 if any we would get in this venue if in fact that is a Korea thing Luthier is working on.... I just hope that they concentrate on DOGFIGHTS period.... and not just allied ones..... Id love to see a segment on some of the pilost Xio mentioned.... and Sakai.. & Saburo and some of the other Japanese pilots as well. If the show is about dogfights then it should be less centered on any one political point of view or moarlity issue and focused just on the art of the dogfight itself.

That one where the guy shot off the Mig's canopy and the guy was making al those amazing moves was incredible... That was one heck of a pilot in that plane.... and the Mig pilots had no G suits at that time either. Amazing.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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<span class="ev_code_white">Oleg: I think players should upgrade their PC after the release of Storm of War: The Battle of Britain, but not now. Minimum system would be probably like last year good system for IL-2 series. The simulation has gone from what was to be a study sim involving one aircraft to a real monster anthology of WWII aviation. The engine has been stretched to fit multi-engined bombers, aircraft that are linked (such as the Mistel and the TB-3/I-16 combinations), aircraft carriers, runway cratering, working searchlights, etc.



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RCAF_Irish_403
11-04-2006, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Im curious as to which F-86 if any we would get in this venue if in fact that is a Korea thing Luthier is working on.... I just hope that they concentrate on DOGFIGHTS period.... and not just allied ones..... Id love to see a segment on some of the pilost Xio mentioned.... and Sakai.. & Saburo and some of the other Japanese pilots as well. If the show is about dogfights then it should be less centered on any one political point of view or moarlity issue and focused just on the art of the dogfight itself.

That one where the guy shot off the Mig's canopy and the guy was making al those amazing moves was incredible... That was one heck of a pilot in that plane.... and the Mig pilots had no G suits at that time either. Amazing.

That cat had to be a Soviet pilot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif...in Risner's words "It felt like a movie, but it wasn't"<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

http://www.fas.org/main/home.jsp

Monguse
11-04-2006, 08:00 AM
Im curious as to which F-86 if any we would get in this venue if in fact that is a Korea thing Luthier is working on....

My only concern that every aircraft in future add on or sim (not games) are modeled correctly in surface, flight characteristics and ammo load out and not marketing analysis.

I had a very good friend in my local IPMS chapter that flew his Mig 15 from his Checkoslovakian airbase and defected to the west. When I discusssed with him his reason and details about the Mig 15 he said (I'm paraphrasing, it been about 20 years) "The Mig 15 was superior in some ways but not all". Like a true fighter pilot he also added "I could win against an F86"

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MrMojok
11-04-2006, 08:04 AM
I thought it was brilliant. Those of you who have not seen this show's predecessor, you need to check it out as well. It was called "World's greatest dogfights" and it premiered last year. History channel has been showing that one in the past week also. Exact same format.. interviews and great cgi recreations.

It featured four dogfights. WWI-Rickenbacker, WWII- Bud Anderson's famous 'straight up' fight, one from Korea that I think McConnell was involved in, and the last one was Vietnam, Cunningham vs. "Colonel Toom".

As for this new one, I'm with Bearcat when he says it makes you jones seriously for a Korean War flightsim. Let's hope the rumors about a Korean addon to BoB are true. Won't be until like 2008, if it happens at all I suppose.

Yes, the flight animations are better than anything you've ever seen in any movie. I also hope future episodes show German/Japanese/Russian pilots, etc... not just USA.

Anyway, History Channel will be replaying this all week, so check it out. To not do so is simply cheating yourselves, lads.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Rjel
11-04-2006, 08:54 AM
Honestly, I think if enough feedback is given to the History Channel, this series could become one of their biggest successes. So many stories to be told. Who knows, if this is a hit series, maybe the future of aviation movies looks a little brighter. I'm hoping.

Rjel
11-04-2006, 01:22 PM
The History Channel has a dedicated web page about this series. There is also a forum for discussion. If you liked the show, make yourself heard there. It'll help the decision makers there know who's watching.

http://www.history.com/minisites/dogfights/

JG14_Josf
11-04-2006, 05:34 PM
When a Dogfight simulator does offer the F-86 vs. Mig-15 match-up, then, the Energy fighter should be the higher wingloaded, lower powerloaded, higher mass, higher thrust, F-86 where the F-86 holds a high speed (aileron) turn advantage, lower corner velocity, combat (dog-fight) TURN advantage ??? at high speed where energy and drag force is high..

http://mysite.verizon.net/res0l0yx/IL2Flugbuch/Corner%20time.jpg

http://mysite.verizon.net/res0l0yx/IL2Flugbuch/Wing%20Loading.jpg

If, on the other hand, the flight ???simulator??? does not model this high speed turn advantage accurately, then, the simulator will be ???game balanced??? on purpose or simply as a matter of ignorance concerning the facts.

Those facts, on those charts, were documented by Chuck Yeager and John Boyd during the development of EM theory as a captured Mig-15 was flight tested against a real F-86.

Those charts are not ???predictive??? game charts, rather, those charts are made up of actual flight data ???plotted??? on graphs.

You get what you see ??? in reality.

Games are games.

Bearcat99
11-04-2006, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Rjel:
Honestly, I think if enough feedback is given to the History Channel, this series could become one of their biggest successes. So many stories to be told. Who knows, if this is a hit series, maybe the future of aviation movies looks a little brighter. I'm hoping.


Originally posted by Rjel:
The History Channel has a dedicated web page about this series. There is also a forum for discussion. If you liked the show, make yourself heard there. It'll help the decision makers there know who's watching.

http://www.history.com/minisites/dogfights/

I agree... actually I think we all should go there and hit that forum of thiers.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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<span class="ev_code_white">Oleg: I think players should upgrade their PC after the release of Storm of War: The Battle of Britain, but not now. Minimum system would be probably like last year good system for IL-2 series. The simulation has gone from what was to be a study sim involving one aircraft to a real monster anthology of WWII aviation. The engine has been stretched to fit multi-engined bombers, aircraft that are linked (such as the Mistel and the TB-3/I-16 combinations), aircraft carriers, runway cratering, working searchlights, etc.



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MrMojok
11-05-2006, 12:19 AM
I think it's a bit crass to make predictions, demands, and pronouncements about a jet sim that won't see life for at least two years, if ever, in a thread about a television show. On a message board devoted to the predecessor of the new sim, which we will not have for a whole year at least, which itself has nothing to do with jets, but may someday feature an expansion pack for jets, but then again may not.

I know I brought the Korea sim up in my post, but come on, dude. Yours has no place here.

THAT WAS THE MOST BOORISH HIJACKING ATEMPT I HAVE SEEN THE ENTIRE TIME I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THESE BOARDS.

PS- Don't now pull that shtick where you demand to know if I am asking you to leave these boards, like you have done for years in numerous places. It smacks of martyrdom, and I am not asking you to leave at all.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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han freak solo
11-05-2006, 08:50 AM
The next episode:

Dogfights : 02 - Air Ambush Airs on Friday November 10 10:00 PM

Legendary fighter pilot, Colonel Robin Olds, sets an intricate trap for the North Vietnamese MiG-21's. His Squadron, the Wolfpack, disguise their lethal F-4 Phantoms as vulnerable bombers. The MiGs scream in to challenge the Americans. The result is the most elaborate air sting of the war... code-name... Operation Bolo. First-hand accounts, rare archival footage and original shooting will supplement the remarkable computer graphics. Tank, helicopter, ship and submarine battles will also be included.

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han freak solo
11-05-2006, 09:02 AM
Upcoming episode:

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han freak solo
11-05-2006, 09:17 AM
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More episodes:

FLYING TIGERS - November 17 @ 10PM/9C
Two weeks after Pearl Harbor, a courageous, rag-tag band of American mercenaries dare to challenge the overwhelming might of the Japanese Air Force. The legendary ???Flying Tigers??? slash through the skies of China, and help vanquish the unstoppable Japanese. Follow leading Tiger aces Tex Hill and John Alison as their P-40 Tomahawks fight to the death against the agile Japanese I-97 Nate.


GUADALCANAL - November 24 @ 10PM/9C
August 1942??? the Solomon Islands. Heroic, die-hard American pilots of the tiny Cactus Air Force match skills and instincts against top Japanese aces as they battle in the skies above Guadalcanal. Legendary Marine Capt John Smith and Medal of Honor recipients Jeff De Blanc and Jim Swett pit their tough F-4F Wildcats against the relentless Japanese Zeros. At stake - the fate of the Pacific War.


HELL OVER HANOI - December 1 @10PM/9C
The skies over Vietnam. They fight in a supersonic world, where split second decisions determine if they live - or die. American F4 Phantom pilots Fred Olmsted and Dan Cherry take on the famed MiG-21 - the most feared threat in the sky. And one American, Steve Ritchie, becomes a dog fighting legend as an Air Force Ace. You're in the cockpit with some of the fiercest dogfighting ever seen in Vietnam!

THE ZERO KILLERS - December 8 @ 10PM/9C
1943...the skies over the Pacific. The infamous Japanese Zero is decimating American aircraft. No allied plane can match Japan's deadliest fighter plane manned by killed Imperial Navy veterans. The American Navy rushes to deploy a new fighter to take on the unstoppable Zero...the F6F Hellcat. The Zero has met its match. Now, you're in the cockpit with legendary dogfighters Robert Duncan, Hamilton McWhorter and Alex Vraciu...their epic dogfights blazing a new chapter in the annals of aerial warfare.

DEATH OF THE JAPANESE NAVY - December 15 @ 10PM/9C
1944...the Pacific. It is one of the most amazing, lopsided naval battles in history: A mighty Japanese fleet let by the Yamato, the biggest battleship in the world - versus Taffy 3, a small U.S. task unit of tin can destroyers and baby flat-tops...ships too weak to fight and too slow to run. David battles Goliath in a fight for survival - with the lives of thousands of American soldiers in the balance.

THE LAST GUNFIGHTER - December 22 @ 10PM/9C
The U.S. Navy's top fighter, the F8 Crusader flown by skilled fighter jocks Paul Speer and Phil Wood, tackles the fierce North Vietnamese MiG over the killing skies of Vietnam. Re-live one of the longest, gut-wrenching dogfights on record as Lt. Commander Richard Schaffert - out of missles and with his guns jammed - takes on a lethal MiG-17 and the best enemy pilot he's ever faced. He's got one chance - the amazing capabilities of the F8 Crusader, "the last gunfighter".

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JG14_Josf
11-05-2006, 09:17 AM
MrMojok,

You are excused.

To further explain the nuances of having a higher mass, higher wing-loaded, lower power-loaded, higher thrust, lower corner velocity energy fighter in Dogfights??? (the topic title of this thread):

Boyd, according to the book titled ???Boyd???, tried to figure out why the F-86 did so well against the Mig-15 when, in fact, the Mig-15 was a lower mass, lower wing-loaded, higher power-loaded, lower thrust, and as yet not know ???higher corner velocity??? plane.

By all accounts the Mig-15 was a better sustained turn fighter especially when utilizing angles tactics in the horizontal.

So why, asked Boyd (in my words), did the F-86 manage to hold its own, and then some, against the better turn fighter?

Here is a possible reason:

When flying above corner velocity at the start of a dog fight, where, the F-86 is chasing a Mig-15 at, for example, Mach .9, or so, at the Migs structural speed limit, and, the Mig-15 begins to turn horizontally in the effort to escape the F-86, the data shows first an initial advantage in turn performance held by the Mig-15.

As both pilots try to accelerate on the roll axis and both pilots simultaneously accelerate on the pitch axis (an aileron turn) the F-86 cannot turn inside the Mig-15 ??? according to the chart.

The Mig-15 gains in degrees of turn, at the structural limit and or pilot G limit (not specified on the chart), the Mig-15 then stalls at the higher speed in this maximum performance aileron turn, angles tactic, decelerating (not sustained) turn fight (dogfight) situation.

What happens if the F-86 pilot knows that his reserve of energy exists and instead of waiting until the Mig-15 stalls first, instead of staying in the horizontal aileron breaking turn, instead the F-86 pilot pitches up into a zoom climb just before the Mig-15 stalls and while the F-86 is still capable of vertical maneuvering?

If you don???t like my posts, then, by all means don???t read them, or, spew forth your off-topic criticisms.

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11-05-2006, 10:24 AM
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Trouble_Call
11-05-2006, 10:59 AM
Cool piece of work. Best doc I've seen yet. The History Channel out did themselves. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Copperhead310th
11-05-2006, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rjel:
Honestly, I think if enough feedback is given to the History Channel, this series could become one of their biggest successes. So many stories to be told. Who knows, if this is a hit series, maybe the future of aviation movies looks a little brighter. I'm hoping.


Originally posted by Rjel:
The History Channel has a dedicated web page about this series. There is also a forum for discussion. If you liked the show, make yourself heard there. It'll help the decision makers there know who's watching.

http://www.history.com/minisites/dogfights/

I agree... actually I think we all should go there and hit that forum of thiers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know Bear. that might not be such a good idea. In Typical =AFJ= fashion =AFJ=Ironman wen't and made an even biger @ss of him self than even i could manage. lol

=AFJ =IRONMAN thread (http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700004541&tstart=0&mod=1162695922618)


Much controversy surrounds this encounter as being nothing more than american propaganda. 2 researchers in the late '70s or '80s traveled to Vietnam trying to find any records of a Col. Tomb flying in the North Vietnamese Air Force. They never found any. Did Tomb exist? If Tomb did not exist, was he a covert Russian Ace flying for the North? Cunningham said he can see the pilot inside his MiG when they were dueling each other. Clearly, Cunningham mentions, " ..he had on a little set of "GOMER" goggles...a little "GOMER" scarf.." We may never know, but why would Tomb fly a MiG-17 and not a more superior MiG-21? Where were the other American F-4s that Cunningham was with 30sec. ago? Could this be a false story to boost a faltering morale? Maybe, we know Cunningham has lied in the past...

I honestly don't think that we need to let the leash of the <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b]-Zoo and invade the forums over there. they may cancell the show inside a week after that. lol

Honestly....Cunningham lying?! PLEEEEEASE. I doubt it. Very seriously.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RCAF_Irish_403
11-05-2006, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rjel:
Honestly, I think if enough feedback is given to the History Channel, this series could become one of their biggest successes. So many stories to be told. Who knows, if this is a hit series, maybe the future of aviation movies looks a little brighter. I'm hoping.


Originally posted by Rjel:
The History Channel has a dedicated web page about this series. There is also a forum for discussion. If you liked the show, make yourself heard there. It'll help the decision makers there know who's watching.

http://www.history.com/minisites/dogfights/

I agree... actually I think we all should go there and hit that forum of thiers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know Bear. that might not be such a good idea. In Typical =AFJ= fashion =AFJ=Ironman wen't and made an even biger @ss of him self than even i could manage. lol

=AFJ =IRONMAN thread (http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700004541&tstart=0&mod=1162695922618)


Much controversy surrounds this encounter as being nothing more than american propaganda. 2 researchers in the late '70s or '80s traveled to Vietnam trying to find any records of a Col. Tomb flying in the North Vietnamese Air Force. They never found any. Did Tomb exist? If Tomb did not exist, was he a covert Russian Ace flying for the North? Cunningham said he can see the pilot inside his MiG when they were dueling each other. Clearly, Cunningham mentions, " ..he had on a little set of "GOMER" goggles...a little "GOMER" scarf.." We may never know, but why would Tomb fly a MiG-17 and not a more superior MiG-21? Where were the other American F-4s that Cunningham was with 30sec. ago? Could this be a false story to boost a faltering morale? Maybe, we know Cunningham has lied in the past...

I honestly don't think that we need to let the leash of the <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b]-Zoo and invade the forums over there. they may cancell the show inside a week after that. lol

Honestly....Cunningham lying?! PLEEEEEASE. I doubt it. Very seriously. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are aware he's currently serving 7 years in the pen for bribe taking, right?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

http://www.fas.org/main/home.jsp

Copperhead310th
11-05-2006, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by RCAF_Irish_403:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rjel:
Honestly, I think if enough feedback is given to the History Channel, this series could become one of their biggest successes. So many stories to be told. Who knows, if this is a hit series, maybe the future of aviation movies looks a little brighter. I'm hoping.


Originally posted by Rjel:
The History Channel has a dedicated web page about this series. There is also a forum for discussion. If you liked the show, make yourself heard there. It'll help the decision makers there know who's watching.

http://www.history.com/minisites/dogfights/

I agree... actually I think we all should go there and hit that forum of thiers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know Bear. that might not be such a good idea. In Typical =AFJ= fashion =AFJ=Ironman wen't and made an even biger @ss of him self than even i could manage. lol

=AFJ =IRONMAN thread (http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700004541&tstart=0&mod=1162695922618)


Much controversy surrounds this encounter as being nothing more than american propaganda. 2 researchers in the late '70s or '80s traveled to Vietnam trying to find any records of a Col. Tomb flying in the North Vietnamese Air Force. They never found any. Did Tomb exist? If Tomb did not exist, was he a covert Russian Ace flying for the North? Cunningham said he can see the pilot inside his MiG when they were dueling each other. Clearly, Cunningham mentions, " ..he had on a little set of "GOMER" goggles...a little "GOMER" scarf.." We may never know, but why would Tomb fly a MiG-17 and not a more superior MiG-21? Where were the other American F-4s that Cunningham was with 30sec. ago? Could this be a false story to boost a faltering morale? Maybe, we know Cunningham has lied in the past...

I honestly don't think that we need to let the leash of the <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b]-Zoo and invade the forums over there. they may cancell the show inside a week after that. lol

Honestly....Cunningham lying?! PLEEEEEASE. I doubt it. Very seriously. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are aware he's currently serving 7 years in the pen for bribe taking, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who Cunningham? youre kidding right?
no i didn't know that.
Linkage?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RCAF_Irish_403
11-05-2006, 11:44 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/03/cunningham.sentenced/index.html<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

http://www.fas.org/main/home.jsp

Copperhead310th
11-05-2006, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by RCAF_Irish_403:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/03/cunningham.sentenced/index.html

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gifWell i stand corrected.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gifwell..... He's from California, and a Republican. Both require a penchant for being a crook and a liar IMO. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
He was still a good stick though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RCAF_Irish_403
11-05-2006, 12:25 PM
What have u got against California? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Cunningham also boycotted a Navy ceremony honoring his service because he thought he "deserved" the CMH<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

http://www.fas.org/main/home.jsp

Copperhead310th
11-05-2006, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by RCAF_Irish_403:
What have u got against California? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Cunningham also boycotted a Navy ceremony honoring his service because he thought he "deserved" the CMH

OMG don't get me started.
i lIVED THERE FOR A YEAR AND 1/2.
Trust me I KNOW. been all over that state. and it's a garbage dump of the 1st order. even worse than New Jersy, (or so i've been told. never been that far north to find out what Jersy is like & ain't planin on going.) As for California, SD was the best place in the entire state IMO, bay area was ok except for a piticular part of the population, Sac ok. Liked Reno a lot. IMO anything NORTH of Sac is ok. the rest could fall off in the ocean far as i care. and i truly mean that.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WOLFMondo
11-05-2006, 01:58 PM
No programs about the RAF, Luftwaffe, VVS, IJA/N aces?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Capt Eric Brown says: "I found in general the default joystick settings tended to be oversensitive. With my recommended settings it will give people a real feeling of how they actually flew."

Rjel
11-05-2006, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
No programs about the RAF, Luftwaffe, VVS, IJA/N aces?

All the more reason to let them know if you liked the series so far. If they get constructive feedback and suggestions, who knows where this might lead. Worth a short post there.

Copperhead310th
11-05-2006, 08:13 PM
I'd love to see a show with Lilya Litvak,
Heartman, eric brown, one of the surviving Tuskeege guys, or a IJN/IJAA Aces.

But befor that happens gotta see Robert Johnson, and Richard Bong.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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