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Beaufort-RAF
12-19-2006, 09:50 PM
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Beaufort-RAF
12-19-2006, 09:50 PM
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LEBillfish
12-19-2006, 10:52 PM
yeaaaaaaaaaaa...."weapons grade mercury".....OR.....Mercury class submarine, the mercury pumped to the bow for crash dives to add weight. That sounds like a lot though as I don't know numbers, yet most likely meant if above the norm to be used in japanese subs....

p.s......Mercury is worth a LOT of money...Trouble is a lot of the subs like that had scuttle charges set, they go off I've heard at X depth......Why the one in tampa bay never went off, too shallow, and why they resist having it salvaged.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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woofiedog
12-19-2006, 11:28 PM
Interesting story... a bit more of the tale.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">This is the only known incident in all of naval warfare in which one submarine sinks another while both are submerged. </span>

On February 7, 1945, U-864 left its Norwegian home-port of Bergen for Japan. Its commander: 32-year-old lieutenant commander Rolf-Reimer Wolfram, a veteran of the North-Atlantic Wolfpacks after two years of almost uninterrupted service. In order to avoid detection by the Allies??? seamless aerial reconnaissance network, Wolfram had decided to travel entirely under water.

But unknown to him, one of the Royal Navy???s most advanced hunter/killer submarines, the Venturer, already lay in wait. British code breakers had deciphered a message from Berlin to Tokyo, announcing the submarine???s imminent journey to the Far East. Equipped with the latest British sonar device, the ASDIC, the Venturer???s captain, Lt. Jimmy Launders, was on the lookout. Though only 25 years of age, Launders had the reputation of being one of the most brilliant young officers in the Royal Navy. But even for him, the task of finding a submerged German submarine somewhere in the dark and wintry North Sea was overwhelming.

Then, on February 9, at 09:32 AM, Launders struck lucky. 4600 meters ahead of the British submarine, ASDIC detected an unidentified object.

http://www.submariners.co.uk/Boats/Barrowbuilt/UV_Class/venturer.jpg
Launched in May 1943, HMS Venturer was transferred to the Royal Norwegian Navy in 1946 and renamed Utstein

This was the first of the fourteen "V" Class submarines built at Barrow between 1943 and 1944. Launched on the 14th May 1943, "Venturer" was, as other boats of the Class, of partially welded construction.

"Venturer" distinguished herself by sinking two German Submarines."U771" was sunk on the 11th November 1944. "U864" was sunk on the 9th February 1945 in a unique action as both boats were submerged. "U864" was detected by "Venturer's" ASDIC used in passive mode so that there could be no tell "ping".

"Venturer's" Commanding Officer Lt. J.S. Launders was also able to obtain good sightings on the U Boats periscopes due to what Launders described as "the most shameful periscope drill on the U Boats part". From information provided by the ASDIC and Launders sightings, Launders concluded he was broad on U 864's starboard bow.

For the next hour he used the ASDIC to determine a plot of "U864's" course and when finally certain of direction and speed fired four MK VIII** torpedoes in a "hosepipe" salvo. The range was 3,000 yards and "U864" took one torpedo and sank.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Lodovik
12-20-2006, 05:40 AM
"It was loaded with 1,857 canisters of mercury to be used in the production of weapons at Japanese sites, as well as a variety of parts for jets."

Holy-balooza!!! That's close to where I'm supposed to go diving next year http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
I really hope they'll manage to seal that wreck or device a way to salvage the mercury. The latter is unlikely, though, 150 metres is a lot of water. Then again, the Norwegians have the best construction divers in the world so who knows.
I wish them luck, since if that mercury gets in the sea floor there, it'll slowly kill anything it gets into. Including the fishing business. That stuff's poison and no mistake.

Thanks for the link, I'm definitely keeping an eye out for this.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
12-20-2006, 07:19 AM
I am "really" questioning the Mercury thing as being for weapons....That my only point. Also you'll note it says ""X" numbers of flasks". A "flask" is a unit of measure for Mercury and how it's traded/priced on the market being so valuable (gold troy oz. / mercury flasks).

Petty I know, it just bothers me that the people who are relied upon to inform often care little to get things correct........Don't know if that was a mercury class sub, yet would not be surprised...what it is seeping is it's crash dive ballast.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Rood-Zwart
12-20-2006, 07:33 AM
Kaleun Wolfram commander of a sub carriying mercury. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Lodovik
12-20-2006, 10:36 AM
OK, so far I've found confirmation that there really is mercury aboard the wreck. No indication that it was actually for weapons manufacture, so that's probably a misquote from BBC.

Globe and Mail (?) article (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061207.wxsubmystery07/BNStory/International/home) says that:

" That is why there is equal interest in examining U-864's entire cargo, which was being delivered to Germany's ally, Japan: the latest Messerschmitt jet engine parts, missile guidance systems, construction documents, as well as Japanese scientists and German Luftwaffe officers and 65 tonnes of highly toxic mercury."

I wonder if that mercury was meant for refining gold or something? Guess I've read too much Neal Stephenson (http://www.cryptonomicon.com/main.html) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Also there's a mention of U-864 at uboat.net (http://uboat.net/boats/u864.htm)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ploughman
12-20-2006, 11:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
I am "really" questioning the Mercury thing as being for weapons....That my only point. Also you'll note it says ""X" numbers of flasks". A "flask" is a unit of measure for Mercury and how it's traded/priced on the market being so valuable (gold troy oz. / mercury flasks).

Petty I know, it just bothers me that the people who are relied upon to inform often care little to get things correct........Don't know if that was a mercury class sub, yet would not be surprised...what it is seeping is it's crash dive ballast. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you know us Brits, if it's anything remotely dodgy, or something we just saw through a half open garage door, you can be sure we'll call it weapons grade. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
12-20-2006, 12:04 PM
Guess what country is the first mercury producer in the world (roughly 1 third of world production).

ploughman
12-20-2006, 12:11 PM
Beats me. Perhaps if I were Spanish I'd know, but I'm not from Spain so I'm adrift in a sea of uncertainty, which would not be the

Harry_M
12-20-2006, 12:16 PM
Was commonly used in explosives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_fulminate

DuxCorvan
12-20-2006, 12:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
Beats me. Perhaps if I were Spanish I'd know, but I'm not from Spain so I'm adrift in a sea of uncertainty, which would not be the case if I were from the major nation of the Iberian Penninsula, like Spain. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha ha ha, you look so lost! Sure you don't have the slightest idea! Guess what: Spain.

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ploughman
12-20-2006, 01:06 PM
Doh! Who'd a thought. I feel such a melon. Mmmmm, maybe a pair, gwaaaaaarrr, melons.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BadA1m
12-20-2006, 10:50 PM
Here is the good ole USA we close down a school if someone drops a thermometer.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Esel1964
12-21-2006, 01:05 AM
Every sub,or ship that goes down(w/o being stripped/drained of all harmful items) is a toxic dump.

Lodovik,check Current maps,more detailed than this (http://oceancurrents.rsmas.miami.edu/atlantic/norwegian.html) of the area you'll be visiting to see if it's flowing that way or not.

I'm not saying it's something to ignore,but,mercury is not only heavier than H2O,it's heavier than lead,so it's going to stay in place barring disruption.

"There it lay unknown until the Royal Norwegian Navy, alerted by local fishermen, found the wreck in early 2003, just off the island of Fedje."

Is anyone testing the residents of Fedje who've been eating seafood from the area for years?
That seems more logical than panicking all the sudden-OK,so encase,but don't act like it needs to be done tomorrow;when it's been laying there 60 + yr.The work around it to 'seal' it would likely make things worse by stirring it up.

Nevertheless,here's a bit more info.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2511387,00.html