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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 09:12 PM
I am and have always been and always will be a true FW190 flyers in any flightsim.
Now I havent got the new patch yet. My connection is simply too bad for that.. Its now beeing sent to me on a cd from a friend in europe..
anyway, now to the question: I have heard it can retain its energy much better now (same for the p47). Now that was the case in FB original too, compared to Il-2. The problem there was that it was the same thing for all planes. So even tho i could suddenly climb away again after an attack, the 190 didnt keep its energy better than any other plane. What I am trying to say is that. Is it true that the 190 in the patch can retain its energy better than other planes in a BZ climb?! Since its a pure energy fighter as is the p47 im afraid that even a light Yak will be able to stay with a 190 in BaZ climb...
Woulf be glad to hear some nice answers from other experienced 190 pilots out there...
cheers!

XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 09:12 PM
I am and have always been and always will be a true FW190 flyers in any flightsim.
Now I havent got the new patch yet. My connection is simply too bad for that.. Its now beeing sent to me on a cd from a friend in europe..
anyway, now to the question: I have heard it can retain its energy much better now (same for the p47). Now that was the case in FB original too, compared to Il-2. The problem there was that it was the same thing for all planes. So even tho i could suddenly climb away again after an attack, the 190 didnt keep its energy better than any other plane. What I am trying to say is that. Is it true that the 190 in the patch can retain its energy better than other planes in a BZ climb?! Since its a pure energy fighter as is the p47 im afraid that even a light Yak will be able to stay with a 190 in BaZ climb...
Woulf be glad to hear some nice answers from other experienced 190 pilots out there...
cheers!

XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 09:21 PM
FW-190s are UBER now that should make you happy /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 09:23 PM
I wouldnt call them uber, but there are some major flaws that make it better than it should be. Still an awsome plane. If you loved it before the patch you'll love it more now.

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 09:47 PM
The 190 can now be used the way it should. It's evasive manouvers finally work. The D-9 '45 has an initial climbrate of 22m/sec a clear improvement. The D-9 '44 is still the better performer unfortunatelly. It has a high instantaneous turnrate but it will bleed speed very fast so trying to shake an opponent of your six is hard, and in most cases it's too risky as most of the fighters have a better sustained turnrate than you. However at altitudes ranging from 1000m to 6600m it will outfly anything. With altitude below you a swift roll to inverted followed by a steep dive will clear your six. Especially if you let your airspeed get as high as 900km/h IAS. Only the P-47 will keep up with you in a dive. The Fw 190A's comes appart sooner than the D-9. But none of the russian birds will hold together long enough to follow you. All in all the Focke Wulf 190 has received a good boost and if flown to her strenghts she can hold her own against pretty much everything. It is still easy to get killed in it if you should make a misstake.

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 09:48 PM
The 190 does retain energy better now in gentle turning maneuvers, if you are even remotely rough with the stick you will still lose your energy though. Energy is better modelled overall now, meaning the laws of physics now apply to all planes, not just some. There still is some tweaking to do but yes, the 190 is a much better energy fighter now as it doesn't bleed all of its energy simply by lifting the nose towards the sky. It retains its energy better after a dive as well. The only other plane that suffered worse than the 190 before was the P-47.

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 10:27 PM
The FW190D9 is definately the best climber of the series and will steadily pull away from most everything if you have equal or slight E advantage.

The A4 and A5 are excellent climbers for their year but I personally haven't flown them against 1943 planes in particular yet, only against 44 and 45 planes. They actually do very well, especially compared to how things were in IL2.

The A8 I have not actually flown at all since the patch came out, no information there sorry.

The A9 is h*ll on wheels...that plane will keep it's E very well under most circumstances except very hard manuevering but careful on the zoom...it does not zoom as well as the D9 and you need a decent E advantage to keep the lead against the LA7. The Yak 3 is relatively easy to outclimb these days but is still dangerous enough to where you have to be disciplined on the stick.

In steep vertical manuevering the FW is now extremely deadly...the pure zoom climb is powerful as long as you don't get hit on the way up. The intitial climb usually lets the attacker close the range which can be tricky but in the final stages as your IAS drops below 120kph the FW tends to keep on climbing a bit longer than the VVS planes allowing you to hammerhead backdown onto them. If flown correctly it can be a devasting attack style although a risky one. It also sometimes requires 2 or 3 iterations before you have achieved a decisive E advantage.


As a whole, the series is very deadly now and retains E very well. The D9 is a great low alt turn fighter but don't kid yourself, 1 on 1 you will get downed by the LA7 and Yak3 pretty consistently. It is effective in a mixed dogfight though until someone latches onto your tail.

I'd say that in most cases the FW is definately the superior climber at nearly equal E states if you fly it carefully...I've been able to outclimb everything except the K4 with relative ease.

Also I haven't used manual prop pitch at all, I had to remap my bindings and haven't bothered to redo the manual keys yet. I can only assume that with careful CEM the plane will be even better at climbing.


Hope this helps,





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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 11:02 PM
Really good answers! thx!
yeah I have been very succesful online (b4 I lost my DSL connection) with 190 in both IL2 and FB so once i get my DSL again I hope to be able to fly the 190 online again!
I too have read all about the "too high roll rate" at high speed and that elevator should be heavier when reaching 650km/hr apparently it doesnt... I would like that to be fixed of course...
Its intresting how we Luftwaffe pilots actually would like to see "our" aircraft" fixed when they are little too good...
I have never seen a VVS pilot complaining cos his plane rolls too fast or whatever it can be... They seem very quiet when something is too good with their planes and they know it..
I guess that makes us Luftwaffe pilots better persons... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Btw, another questions. in a BnZ, while pulling up after a dive, whats the best angle to climb with?! Angle for best L/D ratio or just vertically?
Cheers

XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 11:21 PM
there are a ssssmall minority that say fw is too fast on roll rate. and ive yet to see anything definitive to prove it .especially since the p39 rolls as fast as the fw so with that alone i would say fw is fine. and the A9 is super now. as it should be. look at the stats for an A9 compared to the earlier fws and 109s. only the K4 is as impressive as the A9 and the K4 still outclimbs the a9 which means in a 1 v 1 the a9 will still lose to the k4. so fw isnt ALL THAT UBER if the k4 will still beat it. not many fly the k4 now because the prop pitch is a real pain to keep in powerband now. and when the k4 turns now it bleeds speed faster. so if you dont turn and stay above the k4 with its uber cannon will beat a fw every time. i fly manual prop and i dont care to deal with it in the k4. plus the fw190 was in real life a better performer at medium altitudes than the 109 so where do most battles happen at medium and low altitudes. THATS why everyone is flying the fw. its now correctly modelled. to be a terror at medium alts. take 2 A9s up to 7k and tangle with 2 k4s and its a whole different ball game . before the patch the k4 could survive at 1000 meters and zoom back up. but a fw should chew it to pieces at that altitude. so they fixed the k4 and now its strictly higher altitudes. just like the jug . same deal.

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 11:22 PM
Best angle of BnZ climb depends on what you are shooting at I think.

I use a near vertical pull up when passing an IL2 or anything with heavy guns to avoid him doing a nose up and hosing me on the overshoot.

For bombers this is not as critcal, so I can afford to take a more leisurely climb rate and lower angle of climb.

As a general rule anything that can shoot back or engage me I take the higher angle to get the most out of my E and prevent his guns from coming up on my as I pass over...lower angles can give the bandit the ability to shoot back as you extend. This is exactly what I do when being BnZ'd while in my IL2, take the snap shot as the bandit climbs too shallowly as it passes in front.




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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 01:22 AM
I get ur point TX-zen. The reason im asking is because
lift decreases the more u raise the nose above the horizon and the more u raise it the less vertical lift u will get from the wings as the pure engine power will take its place. So that means that in a vertical climb u will actually produce ZERO lift since ur engine is the only thing making u go upwards... Get my point?!
Now if there ia attitude where lift is maximum and the energy is retained for as long as possible that would be the best attitude I guess...
someone?!
cheers

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 04:28 AM
Well said RedDeth, too many people forget that planes performed optimally at certain altitudes. You would be foolish to think that a P-47 would be a world-beater at low altitudes, just like it would be foolish to expect the same of a FW-190 at high altitudes. In FB planes like the Yaks, Lavochkins, P-39s, and FW's are really in their domain and should be superior. If FB was a Western sim with high altitude bomber interception missions we would have a much different picture. Hell, I would want a 109 escort to deal with the now potent P-47's and Mustangs as my 190 tears into the enemy bombers. I think people simply lose sight of this fact too often.

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