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rafed79
05-16-2006, 03:59 PM
With Storm of War BoB on the horizon the cogs and wheels are turning. With such good looking shots I was thinking of how awesome and immersive a projector setup would be. However there are so many out there and I truly don't know what to look for. With prices between $800 and $5000 it would be nice to know what to look for to get the most bang for the buck. I'm exploring the idea, general observations and opinions on projectors would be most appreciated.

mautsi2
05-16-2006, 04:42 PM
http://www.cnet.com.au/projectors/lcd/0,39035421,40057424,00.htm
U mean something like this?
Panasonic Pt-Ae900

Very good Lcd projector,best in this price level.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic_Home-PT-AE900U.htm

M2morris
05-17-2006, 02:39 AM
Now this idea draws on my fantasy of what I would be doing if I was wealthy and independent
enough to do it. There would be a hyperbolic screen to capture the projection and it could be fine-tuned to reduce fish-eye effect. Similar to how anti-aircraft missle training simulators are built. Sound can be incorporated to originate at the source etc.
If I ever reach that level of eccentric millionaire, I would have a sim like that.
I have used a projector alot called a proxima job-related, but they are expensive and probably some-what antiquated by now, but this is a great idea.

sc1949
05-17-2006, 03:17 AM
Originally posted by rafed79:
With Storm of War BoB on the horizon the cogs and wheels are turning. With such good looking shots I was thinking of how awesome and immersive a projector setup would be. However there are so many out there and I truly don't know what to look for. With prices between $800 and $5000 it would be nice to know what to look for to get the most bang for the buck. I'm exploring the idea, general observations and opinions on projectors would be most appreciated.

New Lamps (Globes) apparently cost a fortune when they go, I heard.

WTE_Galway
05-17-2006, 06:18 PM
check out the fresnal lens threads in general discussion

RSS_hidekichi
05-18-2006, 05:46 AM
I bought hp ep7122 DLP projector.
it cost about 160000yen in Japan.
but now still just testing.
because I'm now building new house and planning to use there.
I think DLP is better than LCD because it's has no delay to view.
here is the one I use.
http://sil40.fc2web.com/page181.html

mautsi2
05-18-2006, 06:42 AM
Dlp has that rainbow effect that can cause headaches to some people.I'm one of them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

rafed79
05-18-2006, 03:46 PM
I'm looking at the Dell 2400 and 5100MP. They are DLP and have received great reviews from CNET. What do you guys think?

mautsi2
05-18-2006, 04:44 PM
Color Wheel Speed: 2x,not very good.
It would be better if it was 4x or 5x speed,on 2x youl probably see that rainbow disturbance.

I would recommend that u visit a store that has projectors that can be watched and you can see with your own eyes how the screen looks and behaves.

WB_Outlaw
05-18-2006, 08:25 PM
I use a Compaq brand 1024x768 75 Hz refresh projector I nabbed off e-bay for only $600. It's HD capable and accepts RCA Video, VGA, S-Video, DVI, and Component Video. HD at 720p looks AWESOME. At only 1200 Lumens it's not as bright as most but a good set of blinds is all you need. I just moved into a new house and it's not setup right now but at my old house I had it running at about 80 inches diagonal. Hopefully with the bigger room I'll get a larger image. I got a 96" wide 1.5 gain Da-Lite screen (much better than shootin' it at the wall) direct from the factory for $129.

I'll never use anything but a projector on my game rig.

--Outlaw.

HitchHikerHSDWG
05-19-2006, 02:34 PM
I use a Infocus LP640 they sell in the range of $700-1400 (depending on new/used and where you look). It has a great picture, 2000 hr lamp life, and the lamp replacements are about $400. Figure if you use your projection system daily that you'll need a new lamp every year and half or so.

I also use mine for movies and such and is still impressive compared to many HDTVs out today.

Another thing to take in is proper calibration. A properly calibrated proj. will really show the quality of the proj.

I suggest going to business related auctions and ebay to buy one.

GAU-8
05-20-2006, 04:00 PM
a fresnel lens is a much cheaper alternative to high priced projectors,no expensive bulb to replace.


here is a link

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/6541015234/p/1

and bearcats thread

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2031054634/p/1

HitchHikerHSDWG
05-20-2006, 04:16 PM
Yes it is much cheaper but its also not a 70" monitor like a proj. is. I'm in no way trying to knock the idea but you cant make a comparison of the two. I would like to try that idea on my monitor though!

GAU-8
05-21-2006, 02:45 AM
true.

good point http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

horseback
05-21-2006, 01:33 PM
Just got an Olevia 26" widescreen LCD TV that has a DVI input (among several other types) for under $600. It has an amazingly huge, detailed display (1280x720) in FB/PF, and I don't need to pull the drapes.

No muss, no fuss.

Highly recommended.

cheers

horseback

WB_Outlaw
05-23-2006, 11:09 AM
I finally got my game rig setup at my new house and I'm crushed. Due to the configuration of my game room the biggest image I can get from my projector is about 87 inches diagonal. I don't know if I'll be able to play but I guess I'll have to settle. Maybe if I move my cockpit up to just a few feet from the screen it'll be playable.

--Outlaw.

TgD Thunderbolt56
05-26-2006, 06:10 AM
Originally posted by WB_Outlaw:
..and I'm crushed...the biggest image I can get is about 87 inches diagonal. I don't know if I'll be able to play but I guess I'll have to settle. --Outlaw.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Bah...knock the wall out and widen the room. Priorities man!



TB

WB_Outlaw
05-26-2006, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WB_Outlaw:
..and I'm crushed...the biggest image I can get is about 87 inches diagonal. I don't know if I'll be able to play but I guess I'll have to settle. --Outlaw.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Bah...knock the wall out and widen the room. Priorities man!



TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually I'm thinking of cutting a hole in the wall and placing the projector in a deep niche. Hopefully I'll get another foot or foot and a half of distance. I believe there is some A/C ducting in that wall that is flexible like the duct in the attic. If so, I should be able to squish it out of the way. Heat will be a problem but there is a closet next to it that I should be able to duct the exhaust into.

--Outlaw.

BfHeFwMe
05-26-2006, 09:33 PM
Why not pack a big screen and frensel all in one.

http://stoners.com/store/image/mf1y/Glasses/Goo_Goo_Eye_Glasses.jpg

You can even customize for different planes like the zeke.

http://www.caufields.com/products/Halloween/Jewelry/Images/42_249261.jpg

WildApes
05-27-2006, 03:10 AM
I just sold my entire dvd collection (ironic, I know) to have a nice little fund to maybe help with the cost of a projector. I was strongly considering the panasonic AEU9000 but the cost of bulbs being $350 (if you can find them) and only lasting 3 months has really swayed my opinion of even wanting a projector.

The only reasonable alternative I have seen to a pro-projector is a DIY Projector, however, I have no interested in building one or calibrating one myself. A few companies have released LCD DIY projectors but they have pretty absysmal stats (really low contrast ratio, tiny resolution etc) so that brings me back to purchasing an professional projector, or really, not purchasing anything for the time being.

If only a company could come up with a different system of lighting, have a uniadapter or cheapen up on it... there is no way it costs $100 to manufactor these things. (being liberal with their profit margin...)

WB_Outlaw
05-28-2006, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by WildApes:
I was strongly considering the panasonic AEU9000 but the cost of bulbs being $350 (if you can find them) and only lasting 3 months has really swayed my opinion of even wanting a projector.

If you don't have a dedicated game rig, then a projector is not the way to go. You will be changing bulbs all the time. 3 months is right at 2000 hours which I think is about average for most brands. Even as a over paid part time IT consultant, with a dedicated game rig it will take me a LONG time to reach that.

--Outlaw.

bjparker
05-29-2006, 02:56 AM
I've seen specs of projectors with an LED based bulb, low power but almost infinite life.

Anyone used one?

BJP

HitchHikerHSDWG
05-30-2006, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by WildApes:
I just sold my entire dvd collection (ironic, I know) to have a nice little fund to maybe help with the cost of a projector. I was strongly considering the panasonic AEU9000 but the cost of bulbs being $350 (if you can find them) and only lasting 3 months has really swayed my opinion of even wanting a projector.


The only reasonable alternative I have seen to a pro-projector is a DIY Projector, however, I have no interested in building one or calibrating one myself. A few companies have released LCD DIY projectors but they have pretty absysmal stats (really low contrast ratio, tiny resolution etc) so that brings me back to purchasing an professional projector, or really, not purchasing anything for the time being.

If only a company could come up with a different system of lighting, have a uniadapter or cheapen up on it... there is no way it costs $100 to manufactor these things. (being liberal with their profit margin...)

I've had my Proj. for over a year and use the hell out of it. I'm at 750 some odd hours at the moment so if you'll be alright. If you were to leave the thing on 24/7 maybe it would burn out in 3 months but we all know your not going to playing that much. This is why I mentioned buying used proj.s because you'll get a lot more bang for you buck and you'll have already saved for that new lamp. So long as you a used one from a good source all should be good. I've had three used ones over the years and they've been great.

Schutze_S
05-30-2006, 01:44 PM
For a cheaper option try building one

Heres how to "Build Your Own XGA Projector" for $300

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2004/11/13/supersize_your_tv_for_/index.html

Dexmeister
05-31-2006, 01:28 PM
I'm now on my second projector. The first one I never even finished the bulb on, now I have a 720P HD one I run against a GrayWolf retroflective screen.

Here's my old one, an old InFocus, in 800x600 on a cheap DIY screen.

http://www.1stclassproperties.ca/mr/Il2_screen.jpg

Personally, I found the sensation of flight simming on a projector to be fantastic, but in the long run I didn't find it realistic to play on when it came to IL2 or FS2004. When you have so many controls to deal with, for me it ended up being preferable to play at the PC/desk with 3 LCDs instead of the 92" screen.

That said, I play XBox360 in HD on the new BenQ and it's stunning. Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter is like watching a real war unfold in front of you. Wild to say the least.

For a console like the 360 in HD, I'd say do it, but if you're doing it JUST for PC-based flight sims I say don't bother. It was a thrill for me but more trouble than it was worth. Refresh rate changes, res changes, less visual quality than a desktop LCD... It's so-so.

But, if you want a projector for watching movies, HD sports, and console gaming, you'll love it, no doubt.

As for bulbs, sure they're expensive ($~4-500 each), but I've yet to wear one out, so don't believe the hype.

If you want more info on Home Theatre Gaming, check the forums here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=14&f=94

HitchHikerHSDWG
05-31-2006, 07:49 PM
^I think that was well spoken. A proj. set up is kinda a push unless you have something other than a desk to sit at. I built a half @ssed cockpit thats really benefits from the proj. and adds lots of immersion. I also have had the chance to pick up all my proj.s at a steal of a price making it more worthwhile for myself. So you may want to think about it long and hard before making the jump. I take the luxury of owning one for granted so that explains the earlier posts. But all in all you cant go wrong with a decent set and they do thrust you into the game more. My next cockpit attempt will really benefit!

See my set up below (minus proj.).


Originally posted by HitchHikerHSDWG:
I got creative after work today and found some scrap finished plywood. So I went down to the hardware store bought some bolts, a couple of odd shaped simpson strong ties and a can of black spray paint and here is what I ended up with!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/HitchHikerHSDWG/100_0147.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/HitchHikerHSDWG/100_0149.jpg

The stick sits at a slightly different angle because the front would hit the key stand so I tilted it down some. Its not that bad, I just should of used my new joy instead of the old one for a guide. The mini hub I think works fine but I havent tested it yet, but im using it now (so far so good lol).

Ugly_Kid
06-02-2006, 02:03 PM
I had a change to borrow projector from work over a weekend. I suppose one really needs a dedicated canvas instead of a latex wall but I really had problems spotting the enemies against water or ground on projected picture...

HitchHikerHSDWG
06-02-2006, 06:02 PM
^Yeah having a screen or canvas on a wall makes a big difference. But having a decent proj. really makes all the difference. You need something that is capable of producing the resolution for the game and one that has a really decent picture quality.

What brand/model proj. did you use?