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VW-IceFire
02-17-2009, 07:49 PM
Hey all,

Question thats been bothering me the last few days. The La-5, 5F, and 5FN as represented in the game all have a brown/olive drab style camo scheme applied to them yet all of the profiles I can find are either the early war green/dark green/black scheme or the late war light grey/dark grey scheme.

Whats the deal? Any experts out there?

Cheers!

jannaspookie
02-17-2009, 08:52 PM
I'm no expert, but I think that the AMT green and black schemes are more historically accurate. There were some schemes that had green and dark green, but I don't know if they were ever used on the La's or on any fighters during that time frame (1943-45). There's an article on Simmer's Paintshop that might help:

http://www.simmerspaintshop.co...uflage-markings.html (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/forums/general-skinning-repainting/444-basic-principles-soviet-vvs-camouflage-markings.html)

R_Target
02-18-2009, 03:34 PM
CanonUK can probably answer your question. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
02-18-2009, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by R_Target:
CanonUK can probably answer your question. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Haven't seen Canon around for a while. Was hoping he'd do some Yak-9U skins and put them on his website some day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He was getting quite good at Yaks!

It does seem that the olive drab scheme is an error coming from a variety of sources. Interesting that Oleg's team would have not picked up on that either.

crucislancer
02-18-2009, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
CanonUK can probably answer your question. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Haven't seen Canon around for a while. Was hoping he'd do some Yak-9U skins and put them on his website some day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He was getting quite good at Yaks!

It does seem that the olive drab scheme is an error coming from a variety of sources. Interesting that Oleg's team would have not picked up on that either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

CanonUK corrected the La-5 camos in the 4.09 patch, thankfully. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was wondering about that as well, as everything I've seen has solid olive drab as the exception, not the rule.

horseback
02-19-2009, 03:09 PM
Check the Links section at Hyperscale.com.

I believe that there is a website listed there that specializes in modeling WWII Soviet a/c, and I remember that they had articles on camo schemes as well as the usual kit reviews.

One thing to bear in mind is that many factories were picked up almost whole and moved east away from the Germans, and that there was little in the way of official guidance for painting. I seem to recall that at least one factory (Zavod) used a bright green paint intended for tractors, broken up with an engine black on its fighters for a time.

You might also want to pose this question on the "Who builds model planes?" thread on the off-topic board. Model builders tend to be pretty knowledgable on the subject of paintjobs.

cheers

horseback

Waldo.Pepper
02-19-2009, 08:38 PM
Check PM Icefire.

CanonUK
02-20-2009, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
CanonUK can probably answer your question. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Haven't seen Canon around for a while. Was hoping he'd do some Yak-9U skins and put them on his website some day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He was getting quite good at Yaks!

It does seem that the olive drab scheme is an error coming from a variety of sources. Interesting that Oleg's team would have not picked up on that either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm around, just haven't been here for months. I'm still at SimHQ, and mainly at AAA.

Regarding the question, drab green/brown schemes are rubbish. Didn't exist. Came about due to misinformation and a lack of reliable sources in the West following the war.

For the best information on VVS schemes, have a look at vvs.hobbyvista.com. I'm good friends with Erik Pilawskii, the leading authority on VVS schemes and he provided information when I made my skins. He thinks they're perfect, so that's good enough for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Icefire - not had any time for skinning (even Yaks!) - so busy with my 3 month baby and my English Channel map http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Joe

VW-IceFire
02-21-2009, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by CanonUK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
CanonUK can probably answer your question. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Haven't seen Canon around for a while. Was hoping he'd do some Yak-9U skins and put them on his website some day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He was getting quite good at Yaks!

It does seem that the olive drab scheme is an error coming from a variety of sources. Interesting that Oleg's team would have not picked up on that either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm around, just haven't been here for months. I'm still at SimHQ, and mainly at AAA.

Regarding the question, drab green/brown schemes are rubbish. Didn't exist. Came about due to misinformation and a lack of reliable sources in the West following the war.

For the best information on VVS schemes, have a look at vvs.hobbyvista.com. I'm good friends with Erik Pilawskii, the leading authority on VVS schemes and he provided information when I made my skins. He thinks they're perfect, so that's good enough for me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Icefire - not had any time for skinning (even Yaks!) - so busy with my 3 month baby and my English Channel map http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Joe </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Quite high praise then about your VVS schemes and the markings being correct. I've become a big fan of your work...I hope you don't mind my using some of your skins in my various campaigns...credit is always given!

Understandable on how busy you are. Congratulations on the baby!