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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 06:28 PM
NVIDIA GeForceT FX 5800 Ultra 128MB 8x AGP
or
ATI RADEONT 9800 PRO 256MB 8x AGP

which one is faster, they're both alot faster than what i have now. but if i were to get one which one is better. im looking at the stats and they both seem almost identical.

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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 06:28 PM
NVIDIA GeForceT FX 5800 Ultra 128MB 8x AGP
or
ATI RADEONT 9800 PRO 256MB 8x AGP

which one is faster, they're both alot faster than what i have now. but if i were to get one which one is better. im looking at the stats and they both seem almost identical.

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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 07:02 PM
FX 5800U VS R9800PRO is no contest
that is why Nvidia hurried to produce the upcoming 5900U



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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 07:31 PM
What Dayak said.

The Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB will have the GeForce FX 5800 Ultra for breakfast and then ask for more.

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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 07:44 PM
For now yes, when the games like HL2 and Doom3 wich supports the FX cards they will smack those Radeons straight out of the field /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 07:56 PM
aLL_Fury wrote:
- For now yes, when the games like HL2 and Doom3 wich
- supports the FX cards they will smack those Radeons
- straight out of the field

we will see about that /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
do you know DAWN demo specified for FX card?
fact: Radeon 9500 and up can run the demo just fine, people said it runs better on radeon card.
even GF4 Ti couldn't run the demo.




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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 08:40 PM
aLL_Fury wrote:
- For now yes, when the games like HL2 and Doom3 wich
- supports the FX cards they will smack those Radeons
- straight out of the field.

DoomIII maybe.

But on the ATI site I found an add for Half Life 2 a few weeks ago when I went there to download the latest 3.4 drivers.

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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 09:03 PM
doom3 will have a specific fx pathway but radeons running the arb2 will be just as fast and good looking-HL2 will run better on a radeon than a fx and right now a 5900ultra can't compare to a 9800pro256mb when running high levels of af and aa.

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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 11:19 PM
the review i saw had the 5900 beating the 9800 pro when using high rez and high AF+AA

the 9800 pro beat the 5900 at 1024 no AA no AF

in fact at 1600x1200 4x fsaa plus 8x aa the ATI had 57 fps in UT 2003 the FX had 80 so yeah really looks like the ati won

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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 11:36 PM
Found this benchmark....what do you make of that?


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Radeon 9800 Benchmarks
Radeon and GeForce FX in hand, we've leapt into the lab for a spot of benchmarking to see how the new ATI GPU sizes up to NVvidia?s current top chip.

Test System
Intel Pentium 4 3.06GHz with HyperThreading sisabled
ASUSTek P4G8X Deluxe - Granite Bay (E7205) mobo (AGP 8X)
1GB Corsair XMS3200 DDR - 2x512MB DIMMS for dual-channel operation
Western Digital WD1200JB - 120.0GB, 8MB Cache, 7200RPM

Platform
Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1
DirectX 9

Drivers
ATI Catalyst 3.1
Nvidia Detonator 42.72

Boards
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Reference (128MB)
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro Reference (128MB)
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 Ultra Reference (128MB)
NVIDIA GeForce 4 Ti 4800 Reference (128MB)

Sound disabled for all tests

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Just look here for the rest lol : http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/29611.html

Looks like they close...unless this guy is full of it and working for nVidia LOL

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XyZspineZyX
06-11-2003, 11:58 PM
I dunno Crazy Ivan.

The results are different here against a 9700 Pro, and the 9800 Pro is a bit faster then the 9700 Pro.

Serious Sam

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Hawgdog
06-12-2003, 12:22 AM
soooooo, this proves conclusively that.....maybe...all systems are different? LOL, still looks better than my Ti4200 over clocked lowlevel 325/548 and driver level 300/600
yup, seems five reviews get 3.5 different answers, the more I read the less I understand LOL

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XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 01:43 AM
coastie

I just reread the hard review and at the three higher resolutions in UT2003 through all the AF and AA settings the 9800 is faster than the 5900.

I tried to compare the scores to the ones they just posted with the Powercolor 9800 128mb but they changed their format and there is no way to give equivalent scores.

serious sam 2 is an enigma and I don't trust it to bench with.

If i had more disposable income this year I would have bought a 5900 and compared it to my 9700 pro.

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XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 07:56 AM
Whatever the results DO NOT GET A 5800 - 5900 is out now, less demands on the cooling.
The 5800 was and I quote "a vacuum cleaner" to run.

Benchmarks can be manipulated - and have been - by both vendors.

Having said that - I say go with what you feel. If you like the look and price of the card, buy it.
Perhaps look for additional features like Video in/out, TV capability, dual monitor support etc.

Remember the drivers can make all the difference too.

Let us know how it turns out though.

Cheers

XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 09:38 AM
lupin82 wrote:
- Whatever the results DO NOT GET A 5800 - 5900 is out
- now, less demands on the cooling.
- The 5800 was and I quote "a vacuum cleaner" to run.
-
- Benchmarks can be manipulated - and have been - by
- both vendors.
-
- Having said that - I say go with what you feel. If
- you like the look and price of the card, buy it.
- Perhaps look for additional features like Video
- in/out, TV capability, dual monitor support etc.
-
- Remember the drivers can make all the difference
- too.
-
- Let us know how it turns out though.
-
- Cheers
-
-
its now out yet, maybe early july?





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Hawgdog
06-12-2003, 12:52 PM
GeForce FX 5900 560.00 bucks?!?!?!!?

bwa haaaa haaa haa, whew, sorry about that. Just went looking for "what the heck, maybe I'll get one before the weekend"....holy mackeral andy-back to the drawing board

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XyZspineZyX
06-12-2003, 12:58 PM
Assuming you want to run hi-res and/or AA, cards are in order of speed, slowest first.(subject to the reviews I have seen (and some personal experience/comparison not on the 5900 though, thats based on what I have seen on reviews).

FX5800 Ultra
9700 PRO
9800 PRO
9800 PRO 256mb
FX5900 Ultra

Personally, I am now running the 9800pro 128mb, and it does a great job of IL2FB in 1280x960x32 4xAA 2xAF excellent settings. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I agree with Lupin, the 5800 is to be avoided.

XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 12:45 PM
I bought the GeForceFX 5800 ultra when it was first released. I also have 6 other friends who are die hard ATI fans. I have owned a Geforce since it was first released. They have owned radeons since they were first released. Now understand all of us are always trying to be the first with the latest and greatest hardware. (yes it is quite costly! lol)

One of my friends and I have almost identical systems with the exception im running 512 megs of 32bit 1066mhz rambus ram. He is running dual channel DDR400 2 sticks of 512 corsair xms. Both have Pentium 4B 2.4 ghz processor's with the 533 mhz FSB.

In real world performance, everyone of my friends sought out to buy new video cards after seeing how mine performed compared to theirs in the latest games. 2 of the guys even had the 256 meg version of the 9800 pro, yet one ended up buying a geforceFx 5900 (non ultra), and the other bought a geforceFx 5900 ultra. Now the only guy who has one-upped me was the guy with the geforceFx 5900 ultra. (He smoked me on everything we play! (and i do mean everything)

HOWEVER! - Here is the catch. What people don't notice, is that the Nvidia GeforceFx line may outperform the Radeon line in pure performance, the Radeon rapes (and I mean hands Nvidia it's ***) in image quality. There is no comparison between the two. GeforceFX 5800 ultra/5900 Ultra = Faster (not by much) Radeon 9800 Pro 128/256 (makes no difference speed wise) = Best image quality.

That being said (and I am always going Nvidia till they go out of business, I think the same way about Intel thats a different post though lol) I can only suggest the Radeon line to general end-users. This is coming from a Techhead who has been into pc's since 1987 and has never strayed away from them once. Hopefully this can clarify and aid in someones buying decision.


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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 03:00 PM
"right now a 5900ultra can't compare to a 9800pro256mb "

according to?

goto toms hardware - look at the numbers - 5900 ultra outperforms the 9800 pro and is $100 cheaper where I live.

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 11:10 PM
----HOWEVER! - Here is the catch. What people don't notice, is that the Nvidia GeforceFx line may outperform the Radeon line in pure performance, the Radeon rapes (and I mean hands Nvidia it's ***) in image quality. There is no comparison between the two. GeforceFX 5800 ultra/5900 Ultra = Faster (not by much) Radeon 9800 Pro 128/256 (makes no difference speed wise) = Best image quality.



Please pay attention and read the post. I mean, why have the best performance at the sacrifice of image quality. But this is just mine and 6 other peoples experience with the 4 products, in REAL life while playing these games, and not on a Tom's Hardware Synthetic benchmark or Flyby test. (GeforceFx 5900/5800 ultra, Radeon 9800 pro 128/256)

Hunter82
08-26-2003, 11:55 PM
Compare Nvidia's AA against the Radeons AA...Hope you like Jaggies at 4X's AA...you'll have to if you buy Nvidia /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-26-2003, 11:56 PM
If you can't afford a 5900 Ultra. Wait until you can. Accepct only the best in speed and image quality. I speak from experience. Not reading test results.

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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 12:31 AM
Exactly, NVidia has never been one for image quality. When i bought my first geforce the geforce256 my friend had a matrox g400, I was so envious of his graphics quality in Unreal Tournament. But stubborn me, I stick with Nvidia even till now lol. I will say once more, GeforceFX = raw FPS , Radeon = Best Image quality without the much of an impact on fram rates.

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 12:33 AM
And I speak from experience also not test results.

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 12:51 AM
Wait a few weeks, BFG is supposed to be selling GeForceFX non-ultras at Bestbuy for $299. Just a little overclocking and you got yourself a great card for a great price.


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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 01:29 AM
Hunter,

True 4x fsaa will still give you jaggies with a 5900 Ultra. However, at 8Xfsaa they are gone completely, and fps are still high.

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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 01:47 AM
k so 8xAA on 5900 ultra is equal to 4xAA on radeon 9800 pro lol

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 02:00 AM
What's the difference? It runs it just fine, and that's the bottom line. You max out both cards, and which one is faster, and looks better. The 5900 of course.

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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 02:03 AM
me and 6 others believe the radeon 9800 pro has better image quality. But i gotta stick with my nvidia

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 02:09 AM
It's getting to be an old arguement. Did the 6 guys have both the 9800 Pro and 5900 Ultra to try themselves, or are they going by what they read?

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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 02:46 AM
Also, just out of interest, how many of these 6 guys have had to reformat since fitting the Radeon...?

Hunter82
08-27-2003, 03:10 AM
I've reformated 2 times but those were due to mobo changes... I always reformat when changing hardware

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08-27-2003, 03:25 AM
Hunter82 wrote:
- ... I always reformat when changing hardware
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But NOT when changing drivers? Blimey! ATi really ARE
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08-27-2003, 03:43 AM
lol your more likely to have to format on an Nvidia system.....but on the latest set you don't even get that chance....alot of systems won't even boot after install and hang at the windows splash screen /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 04:25 AM
Hunter82 wrote:
- lol your more likely to have to format on an Nvidia
- system.....but on the latest set you don't even get
- that chance....alot of systems won't even boot after
- install and hang at the windows splash screen /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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Hunter
Seriously now, that's interesting. I've not heard of this
problem. I can honestly say I've never had a nVidia-
related problem that wasn't a piece of cake to sort. Indeed,
I've rarely had ANY problem nVidia-related...certainly not
to the point where I've had to reinstall the OS (something which seems to be the popular choice for Radeon owners)...and I try every Detonator I can get my hands on - official, beta, whatever. I'm not convinced that the same umpteen driver install/unistalls would be anything like as forgiving with ATi.

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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 04:27 AM
we all run a lan center and lan together. So it isnt read..we line our systems up constantly and comptete against each other. lol and on the hardware issue..i have never had to format over switching video cards on nvidia. I run windows xp pro and anytime i switch out hardware our update drivers i uninstall the drivers then swap the vid cards, then last i install the latest Detonator drivers.

XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 05:40 AM
I don't know about this image quality - I have geforce 4 4200ti with the digital vibrance and it looks sweet.

I will get the 5900 over the ATI - pure speed, and at 8xAA Buz?

that is nice

everything turned up in FB, what kinda frames you get?

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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 07:57 AM
IMHO they both do pretty good ripping off the consumers.
I can buy a Sony 27inch flat screen trinitron tv for the same price for onethese vid cards.
But both are up there pretty much equal in regards to performance but not that excessive to make me break the piggy.