View Full Version : When Help Becomes Annoying (poll)

12-31-2003, 10:11 AM

12-31-2003, 10:11 AM

12-31-2003, 10:16 AM
First vote, first post!

Its a shame that some of these yodas forget that others are trying to have fun too.

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12-31-2003, 10:39 AM
Ok, thanks, BaldieJr. I'd like to hear more, so bump.

Tsalagi Asgaya Equa

12-31-2003, 10:48 AM
On the rare occasion we make it to town and I can fly on the wifes cousins rig, I have run into the sort.

Had a guy typing in caps " get up here and form up would ya?'

I had 2 vulchers just tearing me a new one at the time and the dude is giving me static cus I ain't dying fast enough to suit him. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I just replyed " Or, you could come bounce these ducks" He just left, ...good riddence.

I always have just enough fuel to arrive at the scene of my crash.

[This message was edited by Udidtoo on Wed December 31 2003 at 09:57 AM.]

12-31-2003, 10:55 AM
Sounds like a knob Tsisqua. Just don't fly with him anymore. I don't think you can shoot him for being a knob unless he has already caused you a minimum of say...umm dismemberment. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It only funny 'til someone loses an eye.........


12-31-2003, 10:58 AM
I typically fly with my own guys in a server, or other pilots who I know and stick with them. However there has been occasions where somehting of this sort has happened. In one case I was at 7K and bouncing bogies in my P-47, when some guy on my side starts screamin for help. So I break off and head his way, I get over there and clear him so he can exit and RTB. He lands, I circle to make sure he doesn't get vulched and back into the air. Once that is accomplished I decide I would land and re-arm. Thinking all the while that he would watch me as I just had for him, BTW no thanks were given for clearing and escorting him no biggie though. Well just as I have put my gear down tracers go over my canopy then everything goes black, I just got vulched! Then he types "oh watch out I saw a couple of FW's inbound on my way out". I type in reply "Gee thanks for watching my back". And he replies "I needed to get out and fight". So I was like ok *******, I went blue, grabbed a FW190 A9 and made it my personal goal to mercislessly kill him and nobody else for the remainder of the night. After blowing out of the sky for third time he left the server and I went back red. hahaha I decided after that I would stick with my own guys or people I knew and not go out of my way for unknown people.

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12-31-2003, 11:04 AM
I like to help other people in dogfight servers and I even go the extra mile to put my plane in a bad position if it means giving the other guy a chance (so maybe he can return the favor) but the "I told you so" attitude when it comes to flight tactics (and copious amounts of luck) is just way too much and no doubt the timing and tone of the messages all goes to reinforce a negative view of this particular pilot.

Now if it were landing gear down and trying to fight and he said I told you so then it would be another matter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Biggest problem online - lots of people don't treat each other with respect. I do see quite a few who do (ie. "great kill!" "S!" after being shot down and the like) and hey everyone gets annoyed (myself included) when something happens that doesn't seem very fair. Even so, I have seen some people complaining about this that and the other the entire time with no well meaning comments, no attempts to work with the team (especially in objective based dogfights), and constant attitude over a minor indescretion.

I remember one fellow, who eventually apologized and I thank him for that, got extremely mad at me for taxing my plane at 20kph to the runway when his plane suddenly respawned directly infront. With less than a second of response time and absolutely no ability to turn away he complained about the entire affair for a good 20 minutes. I appologised right away but of course that wasn't good enough.

Nonetheless, he did apologise. But the end of this extremely long post is that people just need to stay calm and try and be as gracious as possible.

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12-31-2003, 11:11 AM
Thanks for the input, Guys. I am not online as much as others here are, but online etiquette is very important to me. I am also not anything like an "ace", but I love this game, and meeting new friends while flying. Friendly advice is always welcome, because like everyone else, I want to improve. Experiences like this, however, make me feel quite inept. Between the lines of typing, all I could hear is "Tsisqua, you are an idiot, and a bad pilot." Makes me want to stay offline, but I love it too much, and just can't stay away.

Tsalagi Asgaya Equa

12-31-2003, 11:36 AM
I'm fairly chatty if the room's full of people i know but as for handing advice out -

I was in a DF room with the main forces consisting of P-40s and 109 F4s. About 5 of us (109s) formed a tightish gaggle and headed out towards red base, gaining altitude as we went. "Stay high and fast" i reminded them. So what do i do ? The first '40 i see craning its neck up to meet us i decide to spiral all the way back down with it. Roughly 2.7 seconds later some more P-40s show up (who'd have thought?) and proceeded to shred my beautiful plane to pieces. What a plonker.

My advice ? Never listen to my advice.

12-31-2003, 12:27 PM
These guys are everywhere, ignore it.

Honestly, I'm not a memeber of a squadron. I don't play online enough to bother. So when I'm on a server, I just play team tactics where it fits. Most of the time, you can take off and fly off the edge of the map and no one on your team will notice you, let alone care what you are doing.

If I happen to take of near another fighter that's going up at the same time, I stick close. The "unspoken" wingman. I keep enough distance and authority though, so that if a bogey closes, and I'm at advantage, I can take him without looking like a claim jumper. (I never said the guy I was sticking near was my wingleader, anyway.) If he gets a bogey, I float above and cover. Once in a while, the guy will lose it and then I try to help out.

Most of the time it works, sometimes not. On the rare occasion that someone asks me to cover him on a flight, I try. I can do better if instead of barking (as you posted above) he gives meaningful coordinates, and altitudes. Most of the guys I fly with do this, and will even ID the plane that's inbound if they can. Giving that info is IMO the mark of a good wingleader. He's looking out for himself, and the success of the flight in general. It's my pleasure to enjoy the teamwork in such a case, no matter than I'm the "just" the wingman.

And don't stay offline because of this stuff. With time, you'll find players that you work well with, and you'll have a better game.

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12-31-2003, 12:55 PM
It's a dogfight server. If you want cooperation between team mates, you gotta start a coop server... especially since there never seems to be one running.

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12-31-2003, 01:04 PM
It's an odd situation man. I mean on the one hand the guy is a pilot looking for teamwork (which we need more of). On the other hand he seemed to be a pilot who liked to complain alot (which we need less of).

I believe what it boils down to is this: A wingman is a partner, not a subordinate. Sounds like this guy just wanted a lackey, and wanted all the benefits of teamwork w/o any of the work. He should have kept his eye on you as well as you him.

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12-31-2003, 02:18 PM
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12-31-2003, 03:38 PM
TSQ the biggest single problem with online is ALMOST nobody flies as a true team... there's almost no penalty to a person for his teammate dying and virtual death is... well virtual. Not saying there's many ways to fix this but none of these virtual Affleck‚'s would have survived their first 5 missions to learn any better. This is the primary reason I don‚'t fly online except with people I work with‚....
Hope it helps to hear you‚'re NOT to sensitive‚... it‚'s others are too insensitive.

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12-31-2003, 03:59 PM
I'll help out a teammate if I see he is in trouble, but I pretty much fly on my own.

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12-31-2003, 04:11 PM
Let them jibber jabber. Any information is good .. Grin and bear it. Ask grid coordinates, all good stuff.. The worse is going into a room and asking coordinates of bogeys and the "team" somehow stiffles all the info like its classified. That's a poor team in my views and extremely shallow mided. Communication wins hands down.. (Hence Ventro and TS and the likes). Take it as a grain of salt.
I'd personally take it as beneficial, anything helps as silly as it may sounds.
I guess it is a regional thing (USA players seem to be a little more outspoken.. Mid-Atlantic folks especially.. Followed by West Coast then the passive-aggressive mid- South/West)

12-31-2003, 04:18 PM
This guy was expecting too much. I often try to encourage guys to fly in a Team like way on open servers, but never expect much. sometimes they do, sometimes not. But this guy was expecting way too much and seemed to expect everyone to help him.
I wonder... would he be so good in BEING the wingman making the effort for others? People like this seem to blur the difference between flying with AI and flying with Humans.

He should have REQUESTED your help, not DEMANDED it like he more or less did, and then he berates you afterwards. He was no way in his right to go on the way he did, Tsisqua, you`re better off without him.

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12-31-2003, 07:17 PM
I have to die, I mean fly, online. So I am uncertain of an such etiquette. I mean, who decides who is whose wingman?

Cooperation is good, but only if both parties agree.

I've seen quite a few losers online playing GR. As a result I don't like playing with strangers.


12-31-2003, 08:10 PM
any unoffical wingman i gets dies, its like a curse.
i try my best to protect him, but it happens 90% of the time :\
find some good lads and its great http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif bad ppl and its not http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
mainly i end up helpin ppl by pointin out there fuel mix is wrong
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01-01-2004, 10:19 AM
Some people just are never happy, and I dont care much about the "told ya so" attitude either.

I used to inform people that i was on theyre 6 covering them and so on, but that was a bad tactic that didnt work so well.

I belive about 90% of my kills come from shooting enemies from friendlies @sses.

I never tell anyone im covering I just loiter at safe distance and search the surroundings for two dots close to eachother = An allied plane chasing a luftwaffe plane ( most of the time ,he,he) and then I go to work and try to get the allied off. After that I go back to loitering and waiting again.(never have to wait long though)

when I fly with a wingman I prefer to have him infront where I can see him and in the Finnish
manner with equal responsibilities.

( Im lucky to have a good wingmate )

01-01-2004, 10:49 AM
Online flights are a very mixed bag.

Sometimes I never see another aircraft, never find a single ground target, get no enjoyment from the hosts choice of map weather plane set etc... but sometimes an online flight is just utterly awesome.

Stick with it, you'll remember some of the good flights and forget the mediocre.

Nothing beats the rush of downing an enemy aircraft when it is controlled by another person not AI http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

01-01-2004, 10:52 AM
Just ignore him...you'll find that sort of player on most public servers.

I try to fly with people I "know", that I've been online with several times and I've started to figure out the combat style of. When I enter a room with people I don't know I'll try to look for someone flying my type of plane (whether it be the P-40 or a bomber) then ask if they (or anyone else) would like to pair up. Usually this fails, but when it works it's a blast.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that generally I'll be up alone, but I love flying in pairs or groups (I tend to stay behind and to the side). If anyone of you guys see me online and feel like forming up just tell me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

01-01-2004, 11:44 AM
Wow, I really expected a few posts, and then the thread would die. I had to go out and play music last night for New Year's Eve, and just now got in.

I think that you guys are the greatest for chatting with me about this. I believe that he next time I see a similar situation developing, I will definitely be asking for grid coordinates, altitude, and air speed; Oh yeah, and a little courtesy, tempered with some mutual respect. If that is not forthcoming, I will move on.


Tsalagi Asgaya Equa

01-01-2004, 12:11 PM
LOL you shuld c me wiht my wing man, I am normaly the leader, heyyyy stay close! dont atack them, cover me!!! only atack if i am in danger!!!! stay high! lol it sounds realy snoying and thta i am taking advantage of him but, we are more eficient than before, we took 5 down us alone, it was realy cool

01-01-2004, 12:17 PM
Didnt vote as it doesnt hold what I would vote. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Perhaps this guy is young and new to the game. I'd say he still needs to learn and you were right. Maybe we should all try to teach those guys some courtesy. And if they keep on behaving like that, its gonna be ignore. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

01-01-2004, 12:37 PM
LOL sounded fun. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Where are you! COme over here you! Its all your fault I got shot down!!!


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01-01-2004, 12:38 PM
I don't do formations, but I will bounce a bogey engaging a squadmate in a heartbeat.

Short of that, I will at least avenge my mate.

They do the same. But usually I have to type hrelpo! first . . . because I'm typing one handed while dodging 30mm cannon fire . . . heh.

Its good to have a squad in those situations.

01-01-2004, 12:59 PM
HAA!!!!!,If I wanted to hear'I TOLD YOU SO!!,ITOLD YOU SO!!,I wouldn't try flying at all. I'd give the wife a hand painting the kitchen!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


01-01-2004, 02:09 PM
I must say, I'm a typical lone ranger. I fly alone. My eyesight (or my video settings) are always so that I see the other planes first so, I've got plenty time to set-up the attack. I occasionally fly with squaddie's or a VOW mission.

Anyways, I think you had a right to be annoyed. My style would be to ignore him, maybe trolling a bit.

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