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walsh2509
04-03-2005, 09:18 PM
Once Bitten , Twice shy!


Am I going to buy Olegs BOB, Yes!

But not until at least 6 month after the release date!

Why?

That way the patch or patch's it "Will" require (and ALL games do) will be out or near to being released.

And I will also pick it up for a pittance, unlike the hit I got with my Stand Alone Pacific Fighters. Who's patch we are still waiting for and its close to being 6 months after the release date.

walsh2509
04-03-2005, 09:18 PM
Once Bitten , Twice shy!


Am I going to buy Olegs BOB, Yes!

But not until at least 6 month after the release date!

Why?

That way the patch or patch's it "Will" require (and ALL games do) will be out or near to being released.

And I will also pick it up for a pittance, unlike the hit I got with my Stand Alone Pacific Fighters. Who's patch we are still waiting for and its close to being 6 months after the release date.

Bearcat99
04-03-2005, 09:19 PM
yOU HAVENT GOTTEN THE gold PACK YET??!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
WHATS THE MATTER WITH YOU!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

VW-IceFire
04-03-2005, 09:44 PM
Ok http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I know I'll probably be rushing around trying to buy BoB when it finally comes.

fordfan25
04-04-2005, 09:30 AM
im a put off about somethings iv noticed about his games but impressed with others. im going to take a wait and see aproch. ill probly buy it the day it comes out as long as i feel my pc will play it.

Tallyho1961
04-04-2005, 10:32 AM
Any money I've spent on Oleg's sims has been paid back many times over, regardless of the oft-discussed 'imperfections' that occupy a lot of the space on these forums. I figure 1C Maddox has received a bit less than $125 from me so far; about the price of a decent meal for four. Value for money? I think so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS - If anybody knows where I can sign up for an advance copy of BoB, please let me know. In the meantime, I'm saving up for the hardware.

Vacillator
04-04-2005, 10:52 AM
Yeah waiting is tough, but what we already have is great (IMO). For the hundreds of hours I've spent and will continue to spend flying with Oleg's software, I'm very happy to have paid full price. So I'll be buying BoB as soon it comes along.

jarink
04-04-2005, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by walsh2509:
And I will also pick it up for a pittance, unlike the hit I got with my Stand Alone Pacific Fighters. Who's patch we are still waiting for and its close to being 6 months after the release date. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, see you then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I think I have gotten my money's worth several times over from my purchase of PF for $50 followed by another $20 for FB Gold. I don't know for sure, but I'd guess between myself and my 10-year old stepson, we play it about 15 hours a week. Compare that with going to a theater and spending around $25 to see a 2 hour movie.

That's a pretty big bang for my entertainment buck!

Eraser_tr
04-04-2005, 01:55 PM
I won't buy BoB, probably until its in a bargain bin and costing less than $15. Oleg gained a future customer when I bought FB gold in may, and lost one when march passed without PF's patch.

GoToAway
04-04-2005, 02:10 PM
Hey, Mods...

Would it be possible to create a "whining about the patch" sub-forum? I think it'd clean things up nicely. People there could whine about the patch and swap stories about how Oleg Maddox ruined their lives and destroyed their faith in humanity by not including the Betty in the initial release or by not releasing patches fast enough.

This forum will still be useful even after the patch comes out so that people can:

-Complain that the patch took too long
-Complain that the patch didn't add ________
-Complain that the new flight model is wrong
-Complain that the patch porked their favorite plane
-Complain that the patch made the last plane that killed them online "uber"
-Complain about Oleg offering excellent support for his products and dramatically mention how they will not support Maddox Games in the future and will be returning to CFS/EAW/Rowan's BoB, or in the case of Stilgr, Target: Rabaul.
-Complain that their lives are ruined because the Avenger still isn't flyable


I think that this is a suggestion that has a lot of merit. Please take it under consideration.

SaQSoN
04-04-2005, 03:02 PM
Well, that's not a bad idea, GoToAway, but then, what people would use the main forum for? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gog..
04-04-2005, 05:33 PM
I have to agree with the originator. Unless my unit starts a BoB campaign straight away, I too will wait for as long as possible before buying it.

Oh' and BTW, yes PF is flyable.....unless you want to recreate the PTO accurately, which of course you can't because half the PTO is missing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

GonzoX
04-04-2005, 05:38 PM
How about a new thread for people that Whine about other people posting their grievences and concerns?

Better yet, how about a "your opinion doesn't matter here unless you are a fanboi" forum?

Fennec_P
04-04-2005, 05:52 PM
I'll buy BoB if I'm impressed by the demo.

Lacking a demo, I'll choose based on the opinions of the inital buyers. (it probably comes out in Canada 2 weeks later than the US; plenty of time to read about opinions)

I'll not decide based on resentment of the lateness of 1C's patches, or any other irrelevant prejudice.

I will be more cautious, however, regarding the opinions of over enthusiatic fanboys flooding the fourm with underservedly glowing reviews one day after release. But that's a result of getting hosed on LO:MAC, not anything to do with 1C.

IL-2 did need a patch when it was released, I'll admit. But that didn't prevent me from playing it every waking moment. It was nowhere near as screwed up as the likes of F4, LO:MAC, CFS3, etc. Nor was FB or PF. 1C games have always been stable and fully playable, regardles of what minor FM, DM, weapon, etc issues were present. So what, my Bf-109G6A/S can do a vertical rocket climb. At least the game's not locking up, and I'm getting decent frames, and having a great time online.

Flight simming has never been more fun, and cheaper (I've used the same PC for IL-2 through PF) than it has been with the IL-2 series. I tenatively expect that BoB will be no different.

GoToAway
04-04-2005, 06:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GonzoX:
How about a new thread for people that Whine about other people posting their grievences and concerns?

Better yet, how about a "your opinion doesn't matter here unless you are a fanboi" forum? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There is a major difference between posting "grievances and concerns" and whining.

Discussing a flight model or weapons load out in a mature manner and pooling information for Oleg to consider is a constructive behavior.
Offering feedback about some aspect of the sim would be constructive.

Starting the 20th "I HATE/MISTRUST OLEG BECAUSE THE PATCH HAS TAKEN TOO LONG" thread or making the 150th "I HATE/MISTRUST OLEG BECAUSE THE PATCH HAS TAKEN TOO LONG" post this week is not constructive by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, it's obnoxious, and sadly that sort of behavior isn't only confined to this series (take a look at the SH3 forums for more examples. Boy, I bet the SH3 devs will be really willing to communicate with the community when they get berated by twelve-year-olds for 6 pages because they didn't have time to add such and such a feature that they said they would have liked to in an interview a year and a half ago.) People apparently feel they're entitled to anything they want these days.

Beyond that, why does the same thing need to be said over and over again? Ignoring the people that CONSTANTLY whine about the patch, there is at least one thread a week from somebody that feels the need to tell everybody that they will not be buying such and such or will be returning to whatever sim. Does anybody care? NO. Did anybody care the last 50 times? NO. Nobody cares any more about that than you care about the current location of my PF CD (second shelf on the bookcase behind me. Doesn't your life suddenly feel enriched because you know that?)

Most people are completely ignorant of the work required to develop and maintain a complex piece of software, yet they insist upon crucifying Oleg for the most ridiculous things. "It's taking too long!" I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they've never created anything that needed to be bug tested and have absolutely no conception of how a bug can work its way in along with a feature and require tremendous effort to remove. People also love to take things that Oleg said in the past and throw them back in his face. For example, the "missing CD" comment. This has come up several times recently when whiny children discovered that the upcoming patch would "only" be 100MB. "That isn't a missing CD!," they whine.

Maybe it never occurred to them that Oleg's problems with certain companies has forced him to omit some content? Or maybe, *gasp* since English isn't Oleg's native language, he didn't say something as clearly as it could have been said. Regardless, the fact that Oleg is now making good on the only thing that was "promised" on the box (by Ubi, not by him) doesn't seem to matter to most people because they can whine that it took to do it.

Oleg (and indeed the whole Il-2 team, unsung as they may be) bends over backwards for his customers. He maintains contact with the community. He provides a level of support above and beyond what is expected in this industry. I can count the number of developers that go to the lengths that he does to support his product on one hand, yet he's constantly demonized for it. I can't even fathom what goes through some peoples' minds other than, "hey, today I think I'll try to piss off a developer. I won't be constructive at all, I'll just insult his work and call him a liar." My personal favorites are the particularly sad people that go to the lengths of constructing Oleg Maddox conspiracy theories to explain why something has happened or why something has not. Generally these theories involve Oleg's desire to cheat us out of our money or something equally stupid.


Is PF perfect? Absolutely not. Could Oleg be a bit more forthcoming sometimes? Definitely. I recognize this. However, if being annoyed by such childish, pointless, obnoxious behavior on the part of a minority of posters on this forum makes me a "fanboi," then so be it. Oleg deserves better than what he gets around here, and I think that most people realize it. I've also noticed that Oleg posts a lot less than he used to.

I can't possibly imagine why.

LW_lcarp
04-05-2005, 05:24 AM
Im in the wait and see list myself. Just tired of waiting for 2 weeks to see anything. If they make the bob like they did the PTO.

Bearcat99
04-05-2005, 06:49 AM
For the record I intend to pre order BoB from EB Games so I can have it on release day like I did with FB, AEP and PF. I will continue to fly in FB X.X until I get thew full flavor that I want in BoB but IMO these sims are too good to come in after the fact. While true much of the PTO may be missing from PF there is enough here in not only PF as a stand alone but the full merged install to offer up the absolute hands down best WW2 aircombat virtual experience possible todate..... I can fly planesets from biplanes to jets.... multi engined planes..... with more coming under FMs that are unmatched in the industry. Though I am chomping at the bit for this patch and a tad disappointed that it took this long I refuse to second guess UBI or 1C and I thoroughly enjoy what I have now..... this sim series has been the best $170 that I have ever spent in my life and AFAIC more than worth it and absolutely not worth the wait that I would have had to undergo had I waited untill the merged installl would cost me a mere $70 like it does now. It blows me away how people come in here bitc#ing and complaining yet they still spend hundrteds on hardware to make this "buggy unfinished game" look and run even better than it does. I will be gald when this patch is released if for no other reason than to get a new round of BS crying going... this old stuff is getting boring.

LEXX_Luthor
04-05-2005, 08:22 AM
By 2006, EB Games probably won't even Deal in PC games anymore. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But, we could wage emil campaign up the Best Bear management ladder and get the BoB into the Best Bear stores. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hunde_3.JG51
04-05-2005, 09:44 PM
I am camping out, and will kill if necessary to get BoB the first day it is released. I will likely call out sick the next day as well. What can I say, I think it will be awesome and I don't believe most of the people here will be able to wait once the news starts flooding in and the hurt subsides. I don't own any consoles, and I only have a couple of PC games that I find entertaining so for me the release of BoB will be eagerly awaited.

TAGERT.
04-05-2005, 10:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by walsh2509:
Once Bitten , Twice shy!


Am I going to buy Olegs BOB, Yes!

But not until at least 6 month after the release date!

Why?

That way the patch or patch's it "Will" require (and ALL games do) will be out or near to being released.

And I will also pick it up for a pittance, unlike the hit I got with my Stand Alone Pacific Fighters. Who's patch we are still waiting for and its close to being 6 months after the release date. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW another starving student who just finished his Economics 101 class and is applying what he learned in his day to day life.. BRAVO!

Old_Canuck
04-06-2005, 01:48 AM
Here's a photo of 16,632 fanbois or fans as they're properly called. They're not ashamed to support their team and I'm not ashamed to be a fan of Oleg and Team's flight sim.

I wonder how long it would take for these folks to chew up any airhead who called them "fanbois" while they're enjoying their favorite game?
http://hartford.about.com/library/graphics/recordcrowd.jpg

pettera
04-06-2005, 02:20 AM
I will buy it the day it arrives in the shelves. Nothing is perfect but this game is great. The game is a bargain if you like combat flight sims. PF on its own is of course boring but no sane person would not install the full IL2FB+AEP+PF. Then, variety is tremendous and incredibly cheap for the hours of joy and exitement.

The patch is essentially a bonus. If it doesn't arrive soon I will be dissapointed. But, that is only because Oleg & Co has made me such a spoiled brat by their previous comprehensive-add-on-for-free history.

If you have problems enjoying the current game I think you should consider consulting somebody to ease your current stress level. Look at the what we have and try to forget that 99.9% of WWII is not contained in the IL2 series and never will be - including Yamato.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Petter

Bearcat99
04-06-2005, 07:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
Here's a photo of 16,632 fanbois or fans as they're properly called. They're not ashamed to support their team and I'm not ashamed to be a fan of Oleg and Team's flight sim.

I wonder how long it would take for these folks to chew up any airhead who called them "fanbois" while they're enjoying their favorite game?
http://hartford.about.com/library/graphics/recordcrowd.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


THAT'S FANMAN TO YOU !!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

bird_brain
04-06-2005, 09:36 AM
If it came out next week, I would probably wait a few days to buy it......
I am too busy messing around with FB/ACE/PF to start a new game now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Chivas
04-06-2005, 01:55 PM
While you wait for BOB to be patched and at a lower price, I will have had hundreds of dollars worth of entertainment having purchaced BOB at release. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F4UDash4
04-06-2005, 02:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GonzoX:

Better yet, how about a "your opinion doesn't matter here unless you are a fanboi" forum? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said!

And I like the CETME in your sig http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

walsh2509
04-06-2005, 07:34 PM
"PF on its own is of course boring" Pettera!


I bought PF as a Stand Alone "new" sim as it was sold, I didn't have IL2/FB/AEP! The fact that PF was backward compatible with the other's was a bonus for these owners. But I didn't need the others as PF was a "New Sim", the fact that Oleg had over the years produced patch's/addon's for what came before PF was great and great for the owners of those sim!

I'm new to oleg's sim's bought PF as a new as they said, a Stand Alone sim. I could look back to what had gone before and think to myself, I can look forward to the same kind of attension and backing from Oleg and his 1CMaddox team for my new sim as his older Il2/FB/AEP fans had with there older sims.

Yes it was great for you that he made this new PF sim compatible with his older sims, and had over the years produced great work in the form of patchs and addons to continuously upgrade your sims.

I too was looking forward to this sort of commitment when I bought into Oleg's Flight Sims with my Stand Alone PF's. PF's should have been sold as a Il2/FB/AEP Addon and nothing more, as I now know that this NEW Sim was nothing of the sort. PF's was an end of line end of series work, before he and his team moved onto there real NEW sim BOB!

As Pettra said, PF's as an addon is a very good piece of work, but as a Stand Alone New Sim, I'll quote him again "PF on its own is of course boring" he says that no sane person would install it other an as an Addon! And he is right!

Just a shame that those of us who came as NEW customers, weren't told by Oleg and his company what Pettera so nicely stated, that anyone who bought Pf's to install as a Stand Alone sim was insane!

The bottom line, Oleg/IcMaddox promoted and sold Pacific Fighters as a NEW sim, the fact that his old customers could buy it and it would blend into there older 1L2/FB/AEP was a bonus for them, but that detail did NOT change the fact that Pacific Fighters was promoted and sold by Oleg as a new Stand Alone sim just as years before 1L2 had, this was not some ADDON to IL2 were were buying into, but a whole New Fighter Sim and all (we thought) that intailed, lots of new planes maps and addon, just like he had done with 1L2.

No one from Oleg to Ubisoft told us any different! That far from being a new sim like 1L2 had been, this "new" sim was actually the death knell of Il2/FB/AEP before he passed onto his "Real New Sim- BOB". Not for us the same backing that old Oleg customers had enjoyed no looking forward to years of new planes/maps/fixes and Addon's that the orginal Il2 customers had recieved.


But then again Oleg being a business man knew this! As Pettera said, who in there right mind would buy PF's as a Stand Alone sim! I for one would not have bought it, if I had know or more to the point or if Oleg and his company had given me the choice! by stating that PF's was an end of line Sim and that backing for it from him and his team would end before it really had begun!

If I had known this and I suspect several hundreds more, then I would not have paid out my 34.99 (uk) for Pacific Fighters. Oleg and Ubisoft knew this and that is why nothing was said of PF's being the end of (Il2) life that it clearly is..

But then again, several hunders or even thousands of 34.99's is to much to not to make a Grab for!

Near 6months down the line and we are still waiting (Stand Alone PF's buyers that is!) for a patch that contains material that should have been on the disc's we bought.

This Patch in fact has more in it to do with IL2/FB/AEP than it has with Pacific Fighters and you wonder why PF Stand Alone owners are PI$$ED off. Even the patch that we have been waiting for has more to do with IL2 than PF's, its no wonder you back Oleg for he has given you patchs/fixes/addons for years and even when we await (our patch PFSA owners)its more to do with his older sim customers than his new ones!

WOuld you not be PI$$ED OFF too , if it were you!

We were sold a pig in a poke, and before you (fanboys) blame just Ubisoft for that , Oleg and his IcMaddox company were in on it up to there necks..

This was before release , Promoted Marketed and Sold by Oleg and his Company just as much as it had been by Ubisoft, as a New Stand Alone Sim. When he knew it was no more than a tarted up ADDON, and not just that! an end of (Il2) life Addon before he and his team dropped it for the Real New Flight Sim BOB.


Yes, all of you original Il2/FB/AEP owners have had years of great service from Oleg and his IcMaddox team, he lavished great patchs maps and addon to keep updating IL2 over the years...

But we who bought into his PF's , what of us! Still waiting for material that should have been on the original disc's.. Do we have years of Patchs Maps Addons and other upgrades to PF's NO! Because PF's was not this New Sim from Oleg and his team, but the end of IL2!

Shame he never mentioned thatin his promoting marketing before selling PF's to unsuspecting Newcomers to his sims!

Spectre-63
04-06-2005, 07:41 PM
Hold your breath, walsh2509....any second now, there'll be a fanboi along to tell you how you have no right to feel that way and that all your problems will magically disappear if you just give Oleg more money. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

jarink
04-06-2005, 09:01 PM
Hey, walsh, PF played just fine on my PC as a stand-alone. Yes, there seemed to be a lack of extras from the community; nearly everything was/is for a merged install, including the fan-created missions hosted on the PF website. I didn't look at as being cheated, though. Everything (except a flyable Betty) that was advertised on the box is there (and the Betty should definietly be included in the next patch). I think the fact that this stand-alone game can also be merged with previous products is a great selling point that sets it apart from just about everything else out there.

I've bought several flight sims over the years that offered far, far fewer options for play, especially in the way of flyable aircraft. (Not that long ago, y'know, it was common for sims to include only *1* flyable aircraft.)
I think PF was a good advertisement and incentive for me to seek out the Gold Pack, though. It's lack of general availability is my only real complaint about PF. Sure, there's other stuff you could complain about, like the not so hot DCG, Chichi Jima map (why the heck was that map included?), lack of flyable torp planes, etc., but you'll get warts like those in nearly any game of any genre.

I am eagerly awaiting the patch for the missing content as promised in the readme and on the box, too. But after spending some time here in the forums and researching a bit more about how 1C operates, I think the delays are caused more by Oleg's insistence that the patch's content meet the same high standards as the rest of the game and not be some half-baked disappointment rushed out the doors to satisfy some made-up deadline.

Please don't call me a fanboi, either. I don't stoop to calling anyone whiners; name calling just shows a lack of maturity. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

TriggerHappy57
04-06-2005, 10:35 PM
I thought the Pacific Fighters project was Luthiers, not Olegs...

Tailgator
04-06-2005, 11:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TriggerHappy57:
I thought the Pacific Fighters project was Luthiers, not Olegs... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

whos name is on the box? (oleg should be more careful about that in the future)

jarink
04-07-2005, 09:57 AM
Great idea!

Someone that is very dissatisfied with PF could sell their copy to the guy in this thread!
I was off to buy PF but It's been pulled off the selves!!! (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=3141041503)

He'd be happy to get a copy of the game
You'd be happy to recoup some of the money you spent on this 'disappointing', 'incomplete' game.
The rest of us would be happy from the resulting silence.

Tailgator
04-07-2005, 11:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jarink:
Great idea!

Someone that is very dissatisfied with PF could sell their copy to the guy in this thread!
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=3141041503

He'd be happy to get a copy of the game
You'd be happy to recoup some of the money you spent on this 'disappointing', 'incomplete' game.
The rest of us would be happy from the resulting silence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ahh yes the inevitable "i double dare you", next week it will be "my daddy can beat up yours"

and no there will be no blissful silence for you, we are all condemed to arguments such as these untill...bob, and then the forum will reset and everything starts all over again.

have a nice day maam

Chivas
04-08-2005, 01:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by walsh2509:
"PF on its own is of course boring" Pettera!


I bought PF as a Stand Alone "new" sim as it was sold, I didn't have IL2/FB/AEP! The fact that PF was backward compatible with the other's was a bonus for these owners. But I didn't need the others as PF was a "New Sim", the fact that Oleg had over the years produced patch's/addon's for what came before PF was great and great for the owners of those sim!

I'm new to oleg's sim's bought PF as a new as they said, a Stand Alone sim. I could look back to what had gone before and think to myself, I can look forward to the same kind of attension and backing from Oleg and his 1CMaddox team for my new sim as his older Il2/FB/AEP fans had with there older sims.

Yes it was great for you that he made this new PF sim compatible with his older sims, and had over the years produced great work in the form of patchs and addons to continuously upgrade your sims.

I too was looking forward to this sort of commitment when I bought into Oleg's Flight Sims with my Stand Alone PF's. PF's should have been sold as a Il2/FB/AEP Addon and nothing more, as I now know that this NEW Sim was nothing of the sort. PF's was an end of line end of series work, before he and his team moved onto there real NEW sim BOB!

As Pettra said, PF's as an addon is a very good piece of work, but as a Stand Alone New Sim, I'll quote him again "PF on its own is of course boring" he says that no sane person would install it other an as an Addon! And he is right!

Just a shame that those of us who came as NEW customers, weren't told by Oleg and his company what Pettera so nicely stated, that anyone who bought Pf's to install as a Stand Alone sim was insane!

The bottom line, Oleg/IcMaddox promoted and sold Pacific Fighters as a NEW sim, the fact that his old customers could buy it and it would blend into there older 1L2/FB/AEP was a bonus for them, but that detail did NOT change the fact that Pacific Fighters was promoted and sold by Oleg as a new Stand Alone sim just as years before 1L2 had, this was not some ADDON to IL2 were were buying into, but a whole New Fighter Sim and all (we thought) that intailed, lots of new planes maps and addon, just like he had done with 1L2.

No one from Oleg to Ubisoft told us any different! That far from being a new sim like 1L2 had been, this "new" sim was actually the death knell of Il2/FB/AEP before he passed onto his "Real New Sim- BOB". Not for us the same backing that old Oleg customers had enjoyed no looking forward to years of new planes/maps/fixes and Addon's that the orginal Il2 customers had recieved.


But then again Oleg being a business man knew this! As Pettera said, who in there right mind would buy PF's as a Stand Alone sim! I for one would not have bought it, if I had know or more to the point or if Oleg and his company had given me the choice! by stating that PF's was an end of line Sim and that backing for it from him and his team would end before it really had begun!

If I had known this and I suspect several hundreds more, then I would not have paid out my 34.99 (uk) for Pacific Fighters. Oleg and Ubisoft knew this and that is why nothing was said of PF's being the end of (Il2) life that it clearly is..

But then again, several hunders or even thousands of 34.99's is to much to not to make a Grab for!

Near 6months down the line and we are still waiting (Stand Alone PF's buyers that is!) for a patch that contains material that should have been on the disc's we bought.

This Patch in fact has more in it to do with IL2/FB/AEP than it has with Pacific Fighters and you wonder why PF Stand Alone owners are PI$$ED off. Even the patch that we have been waiting for has more to do with IL2 than PF's, its no wonder you back Oleg for he has given you patchs/fixes/addons for years and even when we await (our patch PFSA owners)its more to do with his older sim customers than his new ones!

WOuld you not be PI$$ED OFF too , if it were you!

We were sold a pig in a poke, and before you (fanboys) blame just Ubisoft for that , Oleg and his IcMaddox company were in on it up to there necks..

This was before release , Promoted Marketed and Sold by Oleg and his Company just as much as it had been by Ubisoft, as a New Stand Alone Sim. When he knew it was no more than a tarted up ADDON, and not just that! an end of (Il2) life Addon before he and his team dropped it for the Real New Flight Sim BOB.


Yes, all of you original Il2/FB/AEP owners have had years of great service from Oleg and his IcMaddox team, he lavished great patchs maps and addon to keep updating IL2 over the years...

But we who bought into his PF's , what of us! Still waiting for material that should have been on the original disc's.. Do we have years of Patchs Maps Addons and other upgrades to PF's NO! Because PF's was not this New Sim from Oleg and his team, but the end of IL2!

Shame he never mentioned thatin his promoting marketing before selling PF's to unsuspecting Newcomers to his sims! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Show me another product that will give you more hours of entertainment for your 34.99. You should be running to your nearest store for the FB/AEP gold pack. There is enough in those disks for years of entertainment from the best WW2 flight sim on the market. You spend hundreds of pounds for a computer that will run a combat flight sim yet cry about a few pounds for the software. LMFAO