View Full Version : Help needed with finding an account of P51 v Me262

10-01-2005, 07:00 AM
Hi guys I hoping someone can help me track down a story I remember reading a while ago.

A P51 pilot (Sqn Leader I think) was recalling how they were covering a lone bomber when a Me262 showed up. The P51s formed a circle around the bomber and were able to keep cutting off the jet before it could get to the bomber. He said that this showed that x number of P51s (4?, 8?) were equal to one jet.

If anyone can help me track down this story I would be very grateful - I'm thinking it would make an interesting co-op mission.


10-01-2005, 07:13 AM
Bird_Brain should be able to help you with that as he's got books on 262's Operations. Send him a PM m8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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10-01-2005, 09:47 AM
Of course you could always ask someone who's actually shot one down.
Chuck Yeager's Website (http://www.chuckyeager.com/home.htm)

10-01-2005, 11:53 AM
I seem to remember a story posted on this board which fits your description; only the bomber was a mosquito.

Try a search for that.

10-01-2005, 06:57 PM
Mike Spick's "Luftwaffe Fighter Aces" and "Allied Fighter Aces" have chapters on the subject for each respective view. I tend find the Osprey stuff doesn't go into the finer tactical level. Actually, have read good stuff from the local library on this, but I've seen something that might be exactly what you are after. A publication specifically on this. I'll check it out tomorrow and get back to you.

10-02-2005, 04:29 AM
It could be this:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m...521068933#7521068933 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/7521068933/r/7521068933#7521068933)

10-02-2005, 11:38 AM
I have a fantastic book called "Voices in the air, Incredible stories of the ww2 airmen in their own words"

In the book there is this account below written by a L.G. H.J. Martin.

This is the intro to the peice:

By the summer of 1944, the Me 262's under the skilled lead of Germany's Major Walter Nowotny, base in the Munich area, were already proving to be a fierce thorn in the side of the Allies' high-flying reconnaissance aircraft from San Severo in italy. Hitherto, the Mosquitoes, operating alone and unarmed over southern Germany, had had things much their own way; but no longer.

In August, 60 Squadron of the South African Air Force, in the names of Captain Pienaar and Lieut. Lockart-Ross, had fought a dogged and detemined battle with the jet. Now, as the old year was dying, another experienced crew from the same squadron, Captain C.H.H. Barry, with Lieut. G.R. Jefferys as navigator, escorted this time by P-51 Mustangs, got a taste of the phenomenal ascendent speed of Willie Messerschmitt's new prize.

"...Over Augsberg ... they sighted the vapour trails of an unidentified aircraft... They all set off after it, but it lost height, gained speed and easily evaded them. About fourteen minutes later, as the Mosquito was approaching Gunzburg-Leipheim airfield at about 7300 metres, one of the Mustangs sent out a warning of an approaching aircraft... It was closing on (Barry) from dead astern.

Coming in at high speed, the enemy opened fire at 900 metres. Barry put the Mosquito's nose down violently. Still firing, but without scoring any hits, the grey Me 262 overshot and the escorting Mustangs tried to turn into it. they could not complete more than a 90-degree turn before the jet flashed past.

After attempting to complete his photographic run over the airfield, Barry... was warned by the escort leader: "Break right!"... (The Me 262), firing all the time, began to turn into the formation... (It) overshot at a true airspeed of about 800-880 km/h... As (it) went into a gradual climbing turn to starboard, the fighter escort and the Mosquito chased after it, but were outpaced..."

The book, a collection of diary entries and recollections is edited by Laddie Lucas (former Spitfire pilot). I highly recommend it!

10-03-2005, 03:49 AM
Took a stroll over to Napoleon's today. The book is titled "German Jets versus The U.S.Army Air Force". Is by William N Hess, who was the Official Historian for the American Fighter Association. $50.00, 175 pages. Haven't read it, but I'd guess he'd know what he's talking about.

Regards, Warg

10-03-2005, 04:27 AM
Good book!

This is pretty neat -


10-03-2005, 05:21 AM
Thanks for your help guys but I'm still looking.

It wasn't a Mozzie because it definitely was a straggling bomber.

I rechecked Spick's Luftwaffe Aces but didn't find it, likewise Goodson's Tumult in the Clouds. I'm pretty sure it wasn't in Johnson's "Thunderbolt!" either because I'm certain it was P51s.

Keep looking everyone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

10-03-2005, 06:07 AM

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Oop's beaten to it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif