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Cippacometa
08-01-2006, 02:08 PM
I don€t know if someone has already reported this, but there are few spelling mistakes in the cockpits of Macchi MC.200 and MC.202/205. Nothing important, but I suppose not so difficult to fix.
Here they are:

MC.200, left side of the cockpit, behind the throttle box.
http://server2.uploadit.org/files/Cippacometa-MC200_left.jpg
- Green arrow: €œATTENTIONE€ should be spelled €œATTENZIONE€
- Red arrow: €œCOMMANDO€ should be spelled €œCOMANDO€ (€œcomando€ is a control stuff, €œcommando€ is a commando).



MC.200, right side of the cockpit.
http://server2.uploadit.org/files/Cippacometa-MC200_right.jpg
- Red arrow: €œRIAMO€ should be spelled €œRIARMO€, as it is on the left side!
- White arrows: €œLITRA€ should be spelled €œLITRI€ (litro=litre, singular; litri=litres, plural).



MC.202 and 205, right side of the cockpit.
http://server3.uploadit.org/files/Cippacometa-MC202_205_right.jpg
- Green arrow: again €œRIAMO€ should be spelled €œRIARMO€, as it is on the left side.

Griff0
08-01-2006, 09:09 PM
Looks foreign to me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

HotelBushranger
08-02-2006, 03:52 AM
Well documented mate, lets hope it gets done! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

SeaFireLIV
08-02-2006, 06:19 AM
Are you sure that is inaccurate? Maybe that`s what it really says on the real aircraft. I`ve noticed that Oleg`s cockpit makers tend to copy things exactly as they are on the real thing. I remember when they copied the modern spitfire plate on the dash.

Maybe it`s a good idea to see if the real thing has it spelt that way too.

joeap
08-02-2006, 06:28 AM
Hey Seafire, maybe there were/are Italian engineers who spell as badly as some native english speakers. I've know some, and some really smart guys who can't spell at all.

Cippacometa
08-02-2006, 07:14 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Are you sure that is inaccurate? Maybe that`s what it really says on the real aircraft. I`ve noticed that Oleg`s cockpit makers tend to copy things exactly as they are on the real thing. I remember when they copied the modern spitfire plate on the dash.

Maybe it`s a good idea to see if the real thing has it spelt that way too.
No, mate, no way!
It can NOT be that way on the real aircraft, since:
1) "RIARMO" is written correctly on the left side, thus the right one is just wrongly written. Leaving it like this, it would be, in English, as "REAM" instead of "REARM".
2) "ATTENTIONE" just does not mean anything in Italian. This is a common mistake foreigners do mixing up Italian with French and/or Spanish, both languages still having the latinism "TI" pronounced "Z". It is ATTENZIONE, be sure!
3) "COMMANDO" means the same thing as in English. The right word for this stuff, which is a lever control, is COMANDO. One M. Comando del gas (throttle). Comando del freno (brake lever), etc.
4) "LITRA" just means nothing. It is "LITRO"=liter or "LITRI"=liters.
5) It would be quite surprising that such banal mistakes, that even a 8 years old child would recognize, were kept on series produced vehichles.

I have no original pics of Macchi cockpits to prove I'm right, but I'll bet one whole euro that I am!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
08-02-2006, 07:24 AM
I did have a look to see if I could find any photo pics of the cockpit, but no luck, yet. I`m sure someone will find the proper cockpit pics.

269GA-Veltro
08-02-2006, 09:26 AM
Cippa is right, absolutely right...you don't need to check. There wasn't enough time to correct all the textures because of the "dead line".

BTW, i'd prefer have the cockpit for the MC-200 VII (FB) than the correct spelling. We need absolutely an italian fighter bomber for the ETO.

joeap
08-02-2006, 09:28 AM
Oh my gosh this is embrassing then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Still think the cockpits are overall very nice ...

SeaFireLIV
08-02-2006, 10:58 AM
Well if 269GA-Veltro is corrct so be it. I was just wondering since normally the pits are only wrong because they get copied too well! (ie, including markings after 1945).

Cippacometa
08-02-2006, 11:21 AM
BTW, i'd prefer have the cockpit for the MC-200 VII (FB) than the correct spelling. We need absolutely an italian fighter bomber for the ETO.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

FritzGryphon
08-02-2006, 04:37 PM
A nice catch, but I caution not to expect a fix.

This is far from being the only spelling mistake in the game. Were one to look, you'd find dozens or hundreds.

Model or texture errors are never fixed in all of the IL-2 series, unless they are game-stoppers. Apparently, though the fix is quite small, there is unseen work that needs to be done to impliment it. Then there is the sheer number of 'small' fixes that would amount to one heaping pile of work.

For example, some placards in the P-40 have pure gibberish on them; totally random letters.

pdog1
08-04-2006, 03:26 AM
I'm to busy getting dizzy while spinning in my Macchi to notice such errors. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Waldo.Pepper
08-04-2006, 07:59 AM
REAM" instead of "REARM

I like it that it says REAM. I would love to have a button that DOES - REAM (the other guy's plane!) rather than just say it.

Cippacometa
08-04-2006, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I would love to have a button that DOES - REAM (the other guy's plane!) rather than just say it.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
I had to search it on the dictionary!!

EJGrOst_Caspar
08-04-2006, 08:54 AM
Ok. I try to clear things up. Pippz and me - we'd build those Macchi cockpits.

First, there will be no fixing. 1C Maddox never did anything on cockpits after they went implemented. Deal with it. (I wished so often to have that ugly mapping error on Spitfire canopy fixed!)

Then, I must say, I am german and I don't speak any italian. Thus its not easy to put foreign letterings in always correctly. So I was responsible for those errors.
Anyway, the cockpits have been reviewed by some guys of the italian community, above mentioned errors have been reported to me and I fixed them - except the 'RIAMO' thing and a plaquette on the right side console, that is mirrored. Those have been overseen then.

We sent that fixed model then to Oleg and exactly one year later it was finally in a patch. Still, they must have implemented an older version, not the most actual one (speaking about MC.200 and Pippz sais, also MC.202)! Why? We don't know. I just can guess, they have stored it somewhere they couldn't find it after one year and then took what they had - an older model, sent for checkups and tests.

Here are pic made of the the latest model, that I have:

http://people.freenet.de/warbirds2/trash/litri.jpg
http://people.freenet.de/warbirds2/trash/attenz.jpg

Also a cockpit for the Series 7B was sent, but not implemented (yet). I guess its caused by the transparency setting for the windscreen glass.
Remember the whining about the bad visability in some planes due to dirty windows? So Oleg reduced the overall opacity for windows. Check in Tempest, if you see any window there! There is one, I saw it in the model.
Now the Series 7B have some frameless windows, which would hardly be visable with the current transparency setting.
At least thats just my guess.

http://people.freenet.de/warbirds2/trash/mc2007a.jpg
http://people.freenet.de/warbirds2/trash/mc2007b.jpg


Well, in first way I am totally happy, that these planes got flyable finally, so I don't care about those errors. Sorry, my italian friends, I tried my best.
But a Series 7B cockpit would be nice!

At last I needto mention, that most models go through a few hands before you all get them, and often nobody know, what happend to them and who should be responsible. That question should have no priority anyway.

Just enjoy those planes, guys! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-04-2006, 09:11 AM
Cippacometa has beed captured by the enemy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


TB

Cippacometa
08-04-2006, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by EJGrOst_Caspar:
Ok. I try to clear things up. Pippz and me - we'd build those Macchi cockpits.

Guys, I apologize if my post sounded like a criticism! You have done of course a GREAT job with these cockpits, something I don't even imagine how to deal with!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
For this, I thank you a lot!
My post was just to point out these little mistakes, which just do not fit with such a good work! I hope I did not offend you: it's just that these cockpit are the best done of the whole IL2 series, and these little imperfections are a bit like a "false note" in a beautiful simphony.
Thanks again a lot for you job and let's enjoy the birds as they are! And maybe still hoping in a little fix.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

EJGrOst_Caspar
08-04-2006, 02:30 PM
Well, yes ok. And I just wanted to say, that it was already fixed (most of it) but didn't went in 'final construction line'. Maybe I should have said it that short. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

269GA-Veltro
08-05-2006, 03:40 AM
Thank a lot Caspar for this!


Originally posted by EJGrOst_Caspar:
So I don't care about those errors. Sorry, my italian friends, I tried my best.

C-200 FB cockpit is a work of art as for the other cockpits! You did a wonderfull work!

BTW would be nice if somebody could explain us what's happended with the italian cockpits...the fixed versions, first of all the C-202.

As said above, give us at least the C-200 FB for the ETO.....

DuxCorvan
08-05-2006, 08:20 AM
Any hope for AI Re.2000? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

EJGrOst_Caspar
08-07-2006, 03:45 AM
I was thinking the same. AFAIK it has a chance to go in a final free patch (if such appears to be true), but only as AI. However I'd love to see this tiny italian Thunderbold.

About 2001... forget it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

269GA-Veltro
08-07-2006, 04:41 AM
Considering the 1946 addon, we could suggest them the addition of a C-200 bonus pack. We'll have an ukraine map, so we could justify it and finally have the "italians" in the ETO, with all the C-200 fliable (VII and VII FB) and some more Squadriglia and Gruppi.

We still have one only Group..the 21?Fighter Group...and one only Squadriglia. We need also the 22?Fighter Group and the others Squadriglia.

Only a suggestion for the 1946 ukrainian map, but an idea is better than ask for, and Saetta (model and cockpit) is really a work of art...so...it would worth the work i think, first of all for a ETO sim like IL2.

So....this is the my suggestion for the 1946 addon as bonus:

A cockpit for the C-200 VII and VII FB serie (why not also the fixed spelling for the III serie).

http://people.freenet.de/warbirds2/trash/mc2007a.jpg

Italian Squadriglie (fighter) in the ETO.

http://ourworld.cs.com/veltrof2/CSIR-Fighter+Element+in+Russia2.jpg

21? Fighter Group

http://ourworld.cs.com/veltrof2/21.jpg

22? Fighter Group

http://ourworld.cs.com/veltrof2/22.JPG

Cippacometa
08-07-2006, 05:29 AM
Hope so!

269GA-Veltro
08-07-2006, 06:38 AM
Some italian ETO pics thank to Ferdinando D'Amico (all copyrights reserved).

http://www.150gct.it/modules.php?name=Forums&file=posti...ode=editpost&p=72747 (http://www.150gct.it/modules.php?name=Forums&file=posting&mode=editpost&p=72747)

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/*Russia3.jpg

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/*Russia4.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/*Russia5.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/*Russia7.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/*Russia9.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/*Russia16.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/*Russia17.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/*Russia18.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/*Russia19.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/*Russia20.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/Russia6.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/Russia8.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/Russia10.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/Russia11.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/Russia12.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/Russia13.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/Russia14.JPG

http://users.libero.it/f.damico/veltro/Russia15.JPG

joeap
08-07-2006, 02:30 PM
Awesome pics Veltro, thanks to you and Ferdinando D'Amico. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Flakwalker
08-07-2006, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by EJGrOst_Caspar:
I was thinking the same. AFAIK it has a chance to go in a final free patch (if such appears to be true), but only as AI. However I'd love to see this tiny italian Thunderbold.

About 2001... forget it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

About the Re 2001 check your PM.

EJGrOst_Caspar
08-08-2006, 02:06 AM
@Flakwalker:
So its still alive? A hardneck one! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif However, I see a 0,2% chance to get that plane in. Timing is as worst as it can be. The last thing that Oleg wants, is new stuff for IL-2FB. And the deadline for this kind of freelancer work was officially 1 and 1/2 years (or more) ago.

It has to be 100% perfect without any errors. And even after 2 years of cockpit modeling I cannot produce a error free model in the first try.

At least I promise to be the first one to congratulate you, if I am wrong.


@Veltro:
Series 7 and 7FB cockpits are nothing for '46 (not even as bonus). RRG's addons are stricktly topic related (regarding planes).
I count more on a free after-addons-patch (hope so).

Oh well, if I would be better on financials, I would ask UBI to lead another AddOn project, as RRGstudios turned to other, new things. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

269GA-Veltro
08-10-2006, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by EJGrOst_Caspar:
@Veltro:
Series 7 and 7FB cockpits are nothing for '46 (not even as bonus). RRG's addons are stricktly topic related (regarding planes).
I count more on a free after-addons-patch (hope so).

Ok, but after 5 years (!!!) would be nice if we could have finally the Regia Aeronautica in the ETO....and i can't believe that what i've "asked" above is so hard to do, fixed textures for the C-200 III serie cockpit included.

- C-200 VII and VII FB are in the game;

- We have a completed cockpit for the C-200 VII serie;

- We have the fixed textures for the C-200 III serie....please don't tell me that change some textures in a cockpit need too much time and work to do;

- After five years we still have one only Squadriglia for one only Group....and this is absolutely ridiculous. We don't need all the italian WW2 Groups and Squadriglie, but only the 21? and 22? for the C-200 serie in the ETO, as i've posted above.

So:

<span class="ev_code_yellow">- C-200 VII and VII FB cockpit (ready, sent to Moscow a lot of time ago);

- Fix the wrong textures in the C-200 III serie cockpit (ready, sent to Moscow a lot of time ago);

- Add for the C-200 serie only, the 22? Fighter Group and the Squadriglie as indicated above.</span>

For my opinion this is more than a reasonable request.....first of all for an high quality work like the C-200.
And this is not exaclty a kidding...all the fixed stuff for the Macchi cockpits has been sent to Moscow before the da.n dead line....and the DVD is not exactly a free addon....no more.

I'm sorry but i'm very disappointed for the bad work in the implementation of the Macchi cockpits in the game, C-202 included of course.

BTW, a completed C-200 serie...completed and fixed...would be more than enough for us, for the Stalingrad map.