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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:03 AM
THis isnt a whine thread. well actually i guess it kinda is. Anyway, what's your #1 reason you look foreward to this patch? Mine is so Dora doesnt act like a brick and i can actually outrun BF109's. I'm sick of beeing at an alt of 3000 and having the throttle to the max, the water injection on, radiator closed, going 500~ kpmh and having a BF109 zoom up on me, fire, fly PAST me, then loop, and come back behind me.



Message Edited on 07/10/0307:03AM by BS87

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:03 AM
THis isnt a whine thread. well actually i guess it kinda is. Anyway, what's your #1 reason you look foreward to this patch? Mine is so Dora doesnt act like a brick and i can actually outrun BF109's. I'm sick of beeing at an alt of 3000 and having the throttle to the max, the water injection on, radiator closed, going 500~ kpmh and having a BF109 zoom up on me, fire, fly PAST me, then loop, and come back behind me.



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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:06 AM
Spec FM's.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:09 AM
So I can buy FB and play the game the way it was meant to be played.

IL-2 is great, but I've avoided FB based mostly on what I've read and seen here in the "whiner" threads.

Can't blame them though. They got an incomplete (or so it seems) product.

It's a shame the patch has taken this long. But FB took a while to come out too.

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michapma
07-10-2003, 07:37 AM
Because it comes from 1C:Maddox.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:48 AM
Improved FMs ...

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:51 AM
Accurate Fm's is all I want.

Then I want the P-51 as soon as possible.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:52 AM
So I can play single player without posting my fustrations in multiple rants.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:53 AM
It will make a great game even better, and make me consider buying a 1CMaddox-game again.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:53 AM
Hmmm, well, how about choosing a 109 then?? Or deal with it and work on accuracy with your guns? I tell ya, my fav aircraft is a P-51 musty, yet, just playing it in AI it is a fragile little toy, so I changed airplanes. I doubt that i'll fly the pony either due to reading that it really was not truely effective and will not make much if any impact here as well. After all, use the best tools for the job your doing. Nothing on the box said this is a true military simulator.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:58 AM
Dacripler

How can the P-51 be your favorite plane? We don't even have it yet, and your saying your not going to fly it.

Take a plane that's a challenge. Anybody can win with a La7/Yak3/K4.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:59 AM
I~16 and Fb109 Email climb rates

I~16 and Fw190 damage model

I~16 and __________ (insert choice here)

AI deflection shots

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 08:01 AM
The FW elevator and climbrate + gun damage fixed

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 08:05 AM
FM's.
german weapons.


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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 08:09 AM
LEXX_Luthor wrote:
- I~16 and Fb109 Email climb rates
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- I~16 and Fw190 damage model
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- I~16 and __________ (insert choice here)
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- AI deflection shots

AI deflection shots??? If you think they're not good I agree, I have no problem avoiding their shots when they're on my tail, they spend all their ammo in one long burst and then head for home........ In a straight line... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 09:24 AM
*RBJ mode on*

'cuz aces deserve one.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 09:28 AM
The #1 Reason why you want the patch?

this thread and the 5,000,000,000 others like it

and thanks for asking

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 09:29 AM
because current FB is suck!!

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 09:45 AM
Hmm...Lemme think...
The extra planes! W00h00!

Hehe
Actually, I think the LW FM's are accurate. Read the thread on the FW190 with CEM. We actually got the FW to go FASTER than advertised. So, maybe they're actually too fast...
Offcourse the Ruskies have better planes! You can't compete with LA-7's and Yak-9's! They're almost as fast as the German planes, AND turn better! If you fly LW planes, you CHOOSE to fly the underdogs, the patch isn't going to change that. Hey, but it does grant you with more satisfaction if you manage to bag one of em Ruskies ^_^
Damage model is fine also. At least, I think it is. A good burst on the right spot and you severely damage a plane. On the wrong spot, you're wasting ammo. Read the thread on that one, too. Don't know the title of it...

Anyway, my 2 cents.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 09:54 AM
I agree with Gibbage's posting about the single player. Good post Gibbage /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

My main hope for a fix: the sniper gunners and flak and their "see through the clouds" trick. For a game with no radars in it those boys shoot far too well. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Someone had something earlier saying "If wishes were horses". Well on the basis of the whining that's been going on around here I'd say if wishes were horses, we'd be hip-deep in horse droppings.

It's no wonder people are getting put off. I only joined the forum to convey some questions and ideas in the hope that Oleg hears them. This community is the most intolerant one I've ever seen online, and that is really /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif .

Actually my main hope for the patch is that everyone will calm down once they've got it and we can get back to what passes for normal around here.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 09:59 AM
Improved AI isn't in the patch and I still wait for it.

AI pilots and AAA crew can fire directly at me at any weather (rain, snow, storm, clouds, etc.)

I can't escape from enemy prison.

I can't request my transfer to another unit.

Rudidlo.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 10:00 AM
My number one reason: To fix all the bugs they didn't go find before they released it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

And maybe to fly a Bf110. And a P51.... and a Ju88 etc ect ect............................................... ......................................

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 10:19 AM
Yeah, man - hell I just wanna fly (without getting vaporized on first contact). Sure enough in the beginning I really tried my damned best to play the finnish campaign (born in Finland - lol), but it felt kinda awkward to ALWAYS see ALL of my buddies getting downed by Tjatas and Ratas...I mean c'mon - like that ever happened?
OK then - haven't plaeyd the game since march - I've reinstalled my computer since that and frankly - I haven't found a reason to reinstall this game yet.
On the other hand - damn what a game this could be. The graphics, the sound, the recoil of my guns in my force feedback joystick!!! Yeah everything looked real cool and played real slick, except for the "minor" inconvenience with the AI's gunnery skills and so forth.

I haven't even bothered to try out the Hungarian campaign (which must be cool) and I sure would like to try out the Stuka and JU-88...

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Tully__
07-10-2003, 10:39 AM
So I can stop locking "Give me the patch NOW or I'll shoot this kitty!!!" threads /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 10:57 AM
Dial in the Fm Closer too Il2 Style

Fix the Doras & P47

Fix the black out..... Make all ac Black out the same using G's as the Indicator (Yak can Pull More G's & not black out than other AC same with Huricane... G's are what cause blackout all should be the same!!

Stop the wild Bat Movment capability of certain AC

Fix the Loadouts for Fw series

Give server side carv options for....
Wing tip smoke On/Off
Rec. Tracks On/Off
Screen shots On/Off
Connection speed Set by server
Skin Dl set by server

Thoes are the #1 reasons & things I hope too see in the patch

Wether theyll be there or not is anyones guess


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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 11:18 AM
Why I want the patch?

- I want better FW190 gunsight (yeah right!).

- Remove those sniper flaks!

- Damage model fixxed for german guns

- Few FM-fixxes!

- New planes!

- BF-109 allways control cables damaged! This is somewhat annoying, since it happens everytime you get hit.. why not the other planes? Also it is kinda annoying that BF109 only plane that gets the oil in the cockpit glass..

- Improved sound system

- And like Locust said about the blackout, I agree



If we get (atleast) these things fixxed, FB will become much better..

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 02:17 PM
The #1 Reason(s) why I want the patch...

1) I want my P39 back closer to what it was in Il2,

2) I want any improvement in sound, the "lawnmowers" and cheesy fly-by effects have got to go.

3) I want improvements to dynamic campaign (more realistic scenarios, AI pilots actually able to start and take-off in the 262, etc.)

4) I'm hoping for wingies that actually cover me instead of fixating on my six while the enemy proceeds to remove my tail section or wing with his nose cannon.

5) and Oh yeah...I want to be compelled to change my sig to something way more funnier and clever than a comment on the invincibility of the Russian wood framed planes.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 02:39 PM
High speed FWs!!

Germany guns!!

I16

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 02:42 PM
The #1 reason I like to see the patch released is to stop the patch-threads.
The #1 reason why I dont like to see the patch released is the likeliness of a kazillion new whiner posts.
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07-10-2003, 02:48 PM
SO I CAN SINK A G-D SHIP!!!


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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 02:52 PM
Actually I'd like a Spitfire and a Battle of Britain mod http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
any chance of that in patch 1.2 (okay here's hoping anyway).

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 02:58 PM
1. FM and DM corrections/fixes
2. Smoother internet play - less pauses
3. Smoother coop's with more objects



more specific

1. the 109 harder to fly
2. the 190 easier to fly
3. the damage model on p47 and p40 to be tougher
4. the dive bug fixed
5. CEM to play an even bigger role
6. Sound to be fixed
7. Visibility to be better - more contrast with AC vs ground in middle view range. (yeah, dream on http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
8. all aircraft to lose much e when yanking on stick - more e bleed on hard turns.
9. more precise trim - not bat trim like il2, but more precise - it's very jumpy to me
10. the ability to set your own altitude with no takeoffs so we can have some higher altitude fights.
11. the ability to set your padlock range like icon range is done today. (would be nice to be GUI setting option for server)
12. dedicated server with remote admin functionality

Add-On wishes
- more bombers and less fighters
- no new AC - just make the non flyables flyable where possible (pe2/3, Ju88, me110)
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07-10-2003, 03:00 PM
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07-10-2003, 03:00 PM
Online play smooth as possible.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 03:38 PM
FM & DM fixing - kinda fundamental in a combat flight sim. FMs seemed much better in IL-2. They weren't broke, but FB 'fixed' them. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

CEM as it should have been - what I most looked forward to in FB and the first disapointment.

Many other annoying bugs/features too. I doubt patch will deliver everything that's needed - there's so much - but I reckon it'll be a big step in the right direction.

Actually, now I think of it, what I'm most looking forward to is the patch actually arriving in 2 weeks /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 10:49 PM
hoping online code is more lag-friendly. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 02:04 AM
FM adjustments, smooth online play, improved sound higher fps


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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:09 AM
#1: because it will be released

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:28 AM
Single player!

FMs are ... noone will ever be satisfied, I like em as is.

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07-11-2003, 04:56 AM
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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 08:59 AM
No more sniper AI - it's funny how we've coined a term - sniper AI - just for this sim!
I don't want the lawnmower sound.

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:06 AM
One thing!

Fix the Online Warp/Lag !!!

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:45 AM
I'm not attacking anyone here, just pointing some things out.

Someone wrote:

"High speed FW's"

FW-190's are too fast already, they will be made slower, not faster. Not sure if that's what you meant. They will likely handle better.

Someone wrote:

"So 109 isn't the only plane to get oil on the windcreen."

Not sure what game you are playing. Yaks, La's, etc. all get oil on windscreen.

A few people wrote:

"German guns"

I hope VVS guns are fixed as well.

Someone wrote:

"I-16 and FW-190 damage model"

Glad someone noticed/admitted the FW as well, not just the I-16. Yaks, I-153, and Macchi-202 should be in here as well. The 202 eats cannon rounds for breakfast, yet a 12.7mm mg will cut its wing off as if it were paper.


Someone wrote:

"109 harder to fly"

Couldn't AGREE more.

Someone wrote:

"So planes bleed more energy in hard maneuvers"

Again, good call. Would help FW-190, P-47, Mustang, etc. be more effective. Would make TnB less effective (Yaks, Hurricanes, etc.).

Someone wrote:

"Tougher P-40"

Definitely.

The main reason I want the patch is because I got a sneak preview of sorts, and it was incredible. Those who want better sound won't be disappointed. Actually, many of the posts in this thread were addressed.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:41 PM
8. all aircraft to lose much e when yanking on stick - more e bleed on hard turns.

9. more precise trim

10. the ability to set your own altitude with no takeoffs so we can have some higher altitude fights. like 10000,12000

11. the ability to set your padlock range like icon range is done today. (would be nice to be GUI setting option for server)


12. dedicated server with remote admin functionality

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ZG77_Nagual
07-11-2003, 04:46 PM
P47s roll rate - of course it does turn rather nicely right now.
190 handling would be cool - hate to see them lose speed though.
Climb on some of the older birds - I think this is being taken care of - I think it all is from what I hear

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:13 PM
Owl_NZ wrote:

- Actually my main hope for the patch is that everyone
- will calm down once they've got it and we can get
- back to what passes for normal around here.

I've got a bad feeling about that, Owl_NZ. If any new aircraft are introduced in either the patch or an add-on, AND they aren't EXACTLY like each and every player wants them to be, I fear the ranting may double. Can you imagine how many "Why did you fix this and not that? Why did you include this plane and not that one?" posts are going to erupt around here? I wish they had never said anything about a patch being in development... 'cept they had too because there are some real issues that need work in FB. That last sentence was not a gripe. I'm completely happy with it as is (because I don't know any better LOL) and Congrats go to Mr Maddox and 1C for a tremendous game.


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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:30 PM
because it will

1. tame the hurris

2. unleash the FWs

3. arm angry peasants with pitchforks to skewer bailed LW pilots ("JV44Rall has been disembowled by angry mob.") /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

4. immediately signal the beginning of the next round of complaints, whines and moans for FB patch 1.2

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:34 PM
1. Campaign bugs : (Hurricane & possibly other campaign bugs.

2. Gun - & damage - & engine modelling bugs. (Quite a lot of these remain.)

3. Adding more realistic frontlines & random traffic.

These are the top bets. I really don't want entirelly new planes, just make all planes flyable that already are in the game.

Reiska

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:40 PM
Patch...LOL! Why?

You dont like tail gunners on the bombers that are incredibly deadly and will kill you or smoke your aircraft in a new york second. I don't believe gunners on bombers/recon planes were THAT on the money. Historicaly speaking very few fighters were really taken out by gunners, but in IL2 I'd rather tangle with a trio of ace piloted FW190's than get within a 1000 yards of an FW189 recon plane set to "ace"..so that's not really realistic.

Another thing is that I can swear that virtually all of the Russian and/or allied (for russian use) planes are superior performers when confronted with German planes from the same year. If I select an FW190 from 1942 and then go up against a Hawker Hurricane from 1942 or Yak or Mig or P39 airacobra from the same year...FORGET IT. You'll stall out of the sky trying to get away, much less get into position. I've always read (in my American history books) that the FW190 was an outstanding fighter bomber in all years of its production (with the exception of engine overheating in the early models).

And to double check I select the allied aircraft and fly against the FW190 and down he goes, with EASE. This same scenario can be repeated over and over again with other year consistent German vs Russian combinations. The Russian planes fly better than the German planes consistently. Is there a bit of Russian pride built into their flight models? Possibly even subconscience "unintentional" pride programmed in, based on what the software guys were taught about Russian airplanes when they were young? Many of the designers are probably old enough to have been educated under the old Soviet system, and I think those old biases have made it through to their modelling.

The only exception I can see is the Me109G model from 1944 which does fly sumpremely. The Me262 is very fast too, but everyone knows you can't make that airplane a slug and get away with it. (but the engines catch fire and overheat spontaneously constantly)

The Hawker Hurricane flies so well I can shoot down ANY German fighter all the way up to the Me262 (if it doesnt run away from me). I think this is absurd, the Hurricane could not tangle with later German Me's or FW's without having its cloth covered tail shot off. But in IL2 if you're in a Hurricane the Me's and FW's will go down in flames. (vive versa if youre a hun going against some Tally-hos)

Which brings us to the sophistication of the flight dynamic modelling. Many of the planes appear to have preset "canned" flight characteristics. The ones that stall easily all seem to stall easily in the same way. The ones that fly powerfully and don't stall easily all seem to exhibit this characteristic in the same way. I know there is only so far they can go with what can be a very complicated and sophisticated pursuit, but I think refinement is in order. These guys are good, they just need to swallow their Russian pride, give credit where credit is due for the German planes and recharacterize many of the German ariplanes. And strive for more realistic handling characteristics for all the planes (instead of canned repetitive flight dynamic models).

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 06:47 PM
I want my P-40 to be fixed so I can fly it in offline career missions, not just in the quick mission builder. I also want the sound fixed. I also fly the P-47 and I am do well with it now but I can't wait for the patch with that plane.

Sound is the most inportant issue, to me, besides some flight model work.

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 06:54 PM
Nothing on the box said this is a true
- military simulator.
-

Ha Ha-Aint that the truth!

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 07:27 PM
i've been playing the original il-2 while waiting for the patch and i want... better sound. in il-2 you can actually hear a lot of the sounds that you are meant to hear.

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 08:15 PM
Yeah,sound is currently the most broke thing in my book.

I have a nasty feeling that the generally less demanding flight models in FB compared to Il2 - less stalls etc - are here to stay. They can't be a mistake or first draft. A dramatic shift like this surely hasto be a deliberate move?

Thankfully I am ignorant enough not to lose sleep on relative climb rates of individual planes :-)

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 08:21 PM
mikeyg007 wrote:
- I have a nasty feeling that the generally less
- demanding flight models in FB compared to Il2 - less
- stalls etc - are here to stay.

That`s a miss,chief/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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07-11-2003, 08:23 PM
-Improved FM
-Flyable P-51 and IAR 80/81
-Improve the IAR's rear fusselage(should look more like the P.11 rear fusselage)
-More realistic sound effects(the Il2 sound better)
etc.............

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07-11-2003, 08:59 PM
BS87 wrote:
- THis isnt a whine thread. well actually i guess it
- kinda is. Anyway, what's your #1 reason you look
- foreward to this patch? Mine is so Dora doesnt act
- like a brick and i can actually outrun BF109's. I'm
- sick of beeing at an alt of 3000 and having the
- throttle to the max, the water injection on,
- radiator closed, going 500~ kpmh and having a BF109
- zoom up on me, fire, fly PAST me, then loop, and
- come back behind me.
-
-


LOL BS87...I know where you heading with this...but K4 that passed ya was doing almost 700, so don`t be surprised

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07-11-2003, 09:02 PM
Treehugger, that is the worst post I have seen in awhile. When you learn to fly you will see that the FW-190 is the supreme offline plane. If you are referring to online, then you state that the Hurricane can easily down any LW plane up to the 262. The truth is that the Hurricane will lose to any LW plane in the game if flown properly, including the super-climbing 109E. You say that when you fly the FW-190A-4 you can forget about beating the Hurricane, you stall all over the sky. Then you are flying the 190 completely wrong. A Hurricane should never get a shot at you, period, unless he starts with a very significant altitude advantage. You think the late 109's are the only well modelled german planes, when the truth is they are way overmodelled in terms of ease of handling. I think you are judging the planes and how they are modelled by the way the AI flies them. The AI has exaggerated flight models for all planes, that is the problem. You say this game may be Russian biased, I say that you and many others may be Luftwaffe biased.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:02 PM
carguy_ wrote:
-
- mikeyg007 wrote:
-- I have a nasty feeling that the generally less
-- demanding flight models in FB compared to Il2 - less
-- stalls etc - are here to stay.
-
- That`s a miss,chief/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
-
Really? Hmm, now you've got my interest! Hope you're right.

Do you understand how the FMs could go BACKWARD so much on what is essentially the same game, by accident? It beats me.

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:15 PM
Treehugger,I see you haven `t tried IL2?Then you don`t know how good is LW compared to those in IL2.Still not so good as in RL,but good enough to be acceptable.

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07-11-2003, 09:29 PM
Carguy, he must have FB, he is talking about the Hurricane.

And I wanted to mention that I just started a 190A-4 campaign (full hard) the other day and shot down 4 Hurricanes in my first mission, it was a massacre. After three missions I'm up to 12 kills. Offline, the ONLY plane you need to fear when flying a FW-190 at low altitude in '42 or '43 is the La-5 ('42) and La-5FN ('43), everything else you simply outrun. Actually the same holds true for '44, you can outrun everything except the La-7 (Until Mustang, Tempest, Spit XIV arrive).

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:37 PM
Hm...let me think...almost four months now since I posted at least two threads with things to improve in the game...
I see that 99% of those are shared with you guys...a little late, but beter late than never, eh?
Back than I was called a whiner, "take back the game if you don't like it", etc...today, some of them are also posting in this threads...things to improve...good to see that they've opened their eyes.

So, here I go again:

1) FLIGHT MODEL STUFF

- E bleed in the case of YANKING THE STICK or moving it sudenly to the right of left...it should bleed a lot more E, not to mention that some shoudl snap into a spin...AND NOT RECOVER BY THEMSELVES 2 seconds later. I see online that this have become a popular move to shake your 6, whatever plane they fly.

- CEM...the GM-1 in the E-7Z is not working,

- model the REAL Hurricane, not the noobicane we curently have in the game...that thing can achieve INCREDIBLE ATACK ANGLES, which would make a MiG-29 blush. It's not a glider for sure and also, that WEAK engine cannot provide the acceleration and climb rate it has right now.

- Yak-9U is far away from reality...this should be a VERY FAST PLANE!

- 109E has UFO climb rate

- what's the deal with 190A-8 and the Jug? even the AI runs away trying for everything they are worth to gain heighthttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Iron dogs...F/A-18's of WWII it seems.

- performance decrease for 109 with pods...too litle...everywhere is specified how bad they were handling when they had the pods hanged on them.
Accolade: a lot of CFS-ers saw that the noobicane is too slow, even it flyies like a UFO...so they transfered to 109G-10 or K with 108 pods...they always atack head on, guns blazing...praying and sprayinghttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

- The air above the runways has INCREDIBLE DENSITY...any plane glides above them, upt to 10-15 meters, even under 120km/h...what makes it that special?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

- A Me-262 SHOULD BE ABLE TO FLY ON A SINGLE ENGINE, not fast, but good enough. ALso, that sily bouncing right after landing is...sily...its landing gear can't handle that in realityhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ALso, the thing can fly 1100+km/h at ~8000m alt.

- IT ANOYS ME WHEN A 7.62mm bullet CAN SHAKE VERY BAD A 3-4 ton plane flying at 500-800 km/h...?Q@?!?!?


2) AI capability.

- FW-189 name was Uhu, not FLYING FORTRESS..
- AI gunners...when they are in the atacked plane, they are deadly, right away...when they are your gunners, THEY SU*K.
They are able to shoot even at six, under their tail...by bending the MGs?
THey are able to PK you in one shot, even when their plane is doing wild maneuvres, in every direction

- AI pilots...no balck-outs, no red-outs, deploying FULL flaps even at 800-900 km/h, weird and physically impossible maneuvres...(EX: Head-on with a FW vs a AI hurricane...I was doning 540km/h, level...after, it just turn and keeps up with me at 400-500m, 180 degree turn, made at 450 or more km/h, in 2 seconds, no speed loss...BS!)

- AI Proximity radar...try to aproach a veteran or Ace less than 350m or so...it imediately rols and breaks away...no chance to folow unles you want to black out and split s into the ground. ALso, the damn machines knows when I change my view, when I zoom on them to shoot...until I touch that button they fly straight...after I zoom, the same moment they start jinking and doing their UFO stuff, even if I AM STILL IN THER BLIND SPOT..

- AI gunners, again...didn;t know that they had sniper training...Yes, if you park in my six, I can also shoot you down, I have done that when flying bombers...but shooting and kiling or damagin the plane, in fly by shootings, when I am flying at 600 or even 900 in a dive..how in the hell can they compute REALISTICAL the lead for that shot?
ALso, they outrange me, even when I have the biger call guns, like the sniper gun in the Yak-9T...

The most dangereous AI PLANES (on ace seting or veteran): FW-189, Stuka D or G and the mighty Pe-8. If you fly anything else than a Bf-109, the TB-3 is no sweat...Heck, I park a A-9 or F-8 on their six and shoot at will..

3) AAA..
- they are kiding, right? 20mm round with proximity fuses? Since when? Also, flying at 100 or less meters and geting one shot sniped by the heavy flak while doing 500 or more km/h...

I don't want to mention the ships FLAK...one lousy patrol boat, anchored near an airstrip can do more damage than the entire FLAK company of that airstrip...while missing fire control and detection meanings other than the human eye...amazing!
I got shot down flying over ships, at 10.000m...I am still wondering why they needed radar guided guns, or missiles thesedays? I bet that in the radar housing of a PHALANX is in fact a man, an AI from FB, firing the gun.


4) SPELLING...yeap spelling...Hey Gibbage, did you write the texts in FB?
- CRACHED, is in fact CRASHED...and more, THE AAA CAN NOT CRASH (not even crache) it can only be destroyed.
- surprise is spelled SURPRISE and not SIRPRISE...
etc...I have screen shots of the things.

5) Dinamic mission design...it repeats the same boring missions time after time.
You should be given the choice of plane RIGHT before starting flying on a particular front than at the begining...you might get bored of a plane but you are not able to change until after you finish the entire dinamic pack.


And more...but hey...can't change anything now folks...you should have acted when I first wrote this, in March...now the patch is DONE...can;t be changed.
And somehting else...what about that "paid" add-on? I have already paid for and add-on to the original game, which just porked the FM and introduce some dubious planes...
That means I paid 80+ bucks on a game which is still not good and we are still suppose to pay more money?

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:53 PM
I want the patch so people will quit whining about getting the patch.
Not that it matters, once they have the patch they'll whine about the patch.


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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:54 PM
sobolan wrote:
5) Dinamic mission design...it repeats the same
- boring missions time after time.
- You should be given the choice of plane RIGHT
- before starting flying on a particular front than at
- the begining...you might get bored of a plane but
- you are not able to change until after you finish
- the entire dinamic pack.
-

The part with the Dynamic campaign is true. Real BS.
I've started one of the LW carrers, and in about 20 missions completed, by now, I've played the same mis about 3 times. well the location differs, but..: Mission obj- tranfer. nothing wrong, but until now I got transfered from an airfield to another 3 times. The same thing happen: there are some Ju52, and you and another 9 Bf109 escort them. every time they meet 12 I-16, wish shot down all Ju, and they are all shot down by the 109's!!!
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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:55 PM
My sound is messed up, I would like it fixed. I could care less about FM's, no one has been complaining about my plane of choice, and all it means is that the planes I will be flying against will change . . . . meh.

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:58 PM
Fair, the sound is a crap.
IMHO, the original Il2 sounded better(especially weapons).

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07-11-2003, 09:59 PM
Aflak wrote:
- My sound is messed up, I would like it fixed. I
- could care less about FM's, no one has been
- complaining about my plane of choice, and all it
- means is that the planes I will be flying against
- will change . . . . meh.



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07-11-2003, 10:08 PM
kyrule2 wrote:
- Carguy, he must have FB, he is talking about the
- Hurricane.



Ahem...just to clear things up.I find it quite reasonable to refer to "IL2 Sturmovik" as IL2.Even if the full name of "Forgotten Battles" is "IL2:Forgotten Battles" I think the community(me at least) made it clear that we refer to the sequel of "IL2 Sturmovik" as FB while the first is in short "IL2".


From Treehugger`s post I figured out he didn`t play "IL2 Sturmovik".


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07-11-2003, 10:15 PM
BpGemini wrote:
Is it really messed up when you fly Luftwaffe?
Yes it is.
Try the 109 G2 with 151/20 gunpods, and listen to them.
They sound like kicking sticks.
Some time ago I found on the net some sound records of the DB engines, MG's, etc. None of the LW weapons sound like they should(Probably except MG 131.Probably).

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07-11-2003, 10:20 PM
Von_Zero wrote:
- BpGemini wrote:
- Is it really messed up when you fly Luftwaffe?
- Yes it is.
- Try the 109 G2 with 151/20 gunpods, and listen to
- them.
- They sound like kicking sticks.
- Some time ago I found on the net some sound records
- of the DB engines, MG's, etc. None of the LW weapons
- sound like they should(Probably except MG
- 131.Probably).



I was just wondering because the Luftwaffe planes, sound wise, were really fecked up on my system (OS = XP). After I tweaked a few things the problems went away.


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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 10:59 PM
I, unlike most everyone else do NOT want the patch. I like the game just the way it is. There will most likely be more whining after the patch than before the patch

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 11:14 PM
Yeah and I know why you don`t want it.This patch will hurt VVS like hell.

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07-11-2003, 11:17 PM
so people dont post this crap anymore

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 02:15 AM
=p ivan normally you'd be right, because in your K4 you infact were going very fast and had plenty of E, but this 109 that i described had just taken off. Ofcourse it cant help that i'm a horrible pilot either /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 02:34 AM
get rid o the dang online stutter would be biggest impove...........

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 02:56 AM
Carguy, I misread your post then. I thought the first time you said IL-2 you meant FB and just made a type-o. My fault.

Still, I'm not sure how you can claim to know that FB still underepresents LW planes without actually flying them. The 109 is way overmodelled in my opinion, but then that is just my opinion. My opinion is also that both sides have alot of bugs/inaccurate modelling that helps and hinders both sides. Don't count on the patch making things that much more difficult for the VVS, alot of the proper fixes (in my opinion) will help VVS greatly as well. For example, more effective 20mm cannons will also make Yaks and La's stronger, right now their main weakness is lack of firepower, especially against the concrete 190. An improved Yak-9U could make things interesting as well.

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07-12-2003, 03:26 AM
I want a ball for my P-47, otherwise I'm happy with the game now.

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