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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 02:13 AM
Anybody know of any good links, found a bunch and they all have something to offer but could always use more info. Just finished the rudder pedals using a exercise step device that has good spring retention in it, just hooked up a potentiometer to it and wired it into the DB-15 pin on my game port, surprised it worked! Now working on a trim wheel and throttle with possible engine control like prop pitch settings. I just bought a bunch of solenoids and am now setting them up on a sheet of plastic with holes situated over keys on a key board and will have them activate the proper keys with little 24 volt switches. I would love to have working guages but dream on, considering I couldn't find any under 2 to 4 hundred dollars. I wish I could find some junked stuff like old cockpit panels but seems this stuff is very rare, at least where I live. I took apart an older Logitech joystick and extended it by 14 inches, works better because it seems now you have to move it farther for the same effect. The one thing that makes this project work is I play looking at a 6 X 8 foot screen image projection from a Barco data 500 projector (pays to work for an Audio Visual Company), you need a huge image to have the real effect. I wonder if with a dual output vid card I can have a monitor with all the guages in a zoomed in view and then the cockpitless image on the screen? Anybody out there have two monitors working? How about any advice on building a mock up cockpit?

<center>http://www3.sympatico.ca/palmer.john/he111z-011.jpg
<marquee>German attempt at bigger bomber</marquee>

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 02:13 AM
Anybody know of any good links, found a bunch and they all have something to offer but could always use more info. Just finished the rudder pedals using a exercise step device that has good spring retention in it, just hooked up a potentiometer to it and wired it into the DB-15 pin on my game port, surprised it worked! Now working on a trim wheel and throttle with possible engine control like prop pitch settings. I just bought a bunch of solenoids and am now setting them up on a sheet of plastic with holes situated over keys on a key board and will have them activate the proper keys with little 24 volt switches. I would love to have working guages but dream on, considering I couldn't find any under 2 to 4 hundred dollars. I wish I could find some junked stuff like old cockpit panels but seems this stuff is very rare, at least where I live. I took apart an older Logitech joystick and extended it by 14 inches, works better because it seems now you have to move it farther for the same effect. The one thing that makes this project work is I play looking at a 6 X 8 foot screen image projection from a Barco data 500 projector (pays to work for an Audio Visual Company), you need a huge image to have the real effect. I wonder if with a dual output vid card I can have a monitor with all the guages in a zoomed in view and then the cockpitless image on the screen? Anybody out there have two monitors working? How about any advice on building a mock up cockpit?

<center>http://www3.sympatico.ca/palmer.john/he111z-011.jpg
<marquee>German attempt at bigger bomber</marquee>

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 02:37 AM
I am SHOCKED that no one has responded yet. I have drawn a couple of designs, but nothing that would be useful to you. I read an article that some group was testing cockpit human factors and thought some "G" feedback might be helpful. But, it wasn't central enough to their testing to warrant a full-blown simulator. They came up with a chair that has inflatable bladders that fool an experienced pilot into thinking he's feeling "G" forces. I was thinking an old FF stick, with the servo drive amplified and fed to a pair of spool valves, could run a low-pressure system that covers most force axis (it can't model initial acceleration or the tail lifting on takeoff without complicating the circuitry a bit). I had layed out the matrix and serial/parallel paths and found alot is possible with just the two signals. I shelved it when I couldn't figure out baseline pressures and hose sizes.

I had thought of manipulating the keyboard like you are planning for exactly the same use (particularly for bombers, where four engines seems way too clumbsy now). I have TrackIR and found that turning off its IR LED and replacing the reflection dot with an IR LED greatly increases the width it will reliably pick up your head movement. Since HMDs don't seem like they'll ever get off the ground, I would give anything (except large sums of money) for a projector that was small enough to head mount. Make a dome for your screen, and you could be in fish-eye heaven.

What vitamin do you think we're lacking?

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 03:13 AM
Are you an engineer by chance? You sound like a friend of mine who gets very excited about stuff like this. Well my project is in it's infancy stage and progressing, just came back from surfing the "Simpit" society, seems there's a group for anything on the net. Ver y interesting stuff and money involved with this, anyway thanks for your comments and I will probably lay off the feedback motion on the whole contraption for now but had an ideal of just the pitch and yaw motion of my chair tied into the yoke movement, maybe just on some pivot points so its induced by me and not mechanical, something to think about. I 'll tell ya nothing beats a Barco 500 data projector for an image you can't believe, oh by the way it was free since at the shop we were throwing them in the garbage due to not being able to sell them, worth new in 1996-7 about $24,000.00, people don't want CRT anymore with DLP projectors selling at the local stores for under two grand and 5 times the brightness, especially when you have to be a technician to tweek the damn thing. Interesting point about the hydraulics, I was just checking out some small piston units that may work on my rudder pedals, I have this big rubber elastic on it now, like those workout machines. Any ideas help.
Thanks

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<marquee>German attempt at bigger bomber</marquee>

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 04:26 AM
A few towns south of where I live there is an army surplus dealer who has a F8 crusader cockpit and nose assembly setting in his inventory, I never have asked him how much it is, but am sure it is for sale.

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 04:36 AM
http://mypage.direct.ca/b/bsimpson/byoc~1a.html



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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 05:03 AM
http://www.migman.com/hw/cp_home/cp_home.htm

http://www.flight-link.com/

http://www.wideview.it/my_cockpit.htm

http://www.therealcockpit.com/index.php


I know I have more. . .

Also try looking at salvage yards for actual fighter type cockpit components. Ebay also has some interesting things

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 05:36 AM
www.simpits.org (http://www.simpits.org)
www.mikesflightdeck.com (http://www.mikesflightdeck.com)
www.simkits.com (http://www.simkits.com)

XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 05:48 AM
Evis1 wrote:
- www.simpits.org (http://www.simpits.org)
- www.mikesflightdeck.com (http://www.mikesflightdeck.com)
- www.simkits.com (http://www.simkits.com)
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I was going to suggest some of these. Take a look at Computer Pilot magazine too, lots of interesting add-ons, or the PCAviator site for components...



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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 02:16 PM
If you are the DIY kinda guy:
http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/diy/index.htm

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XyZspineZyX
09-24-2003, 03:07 PM
Here is a nice project they arfe working on in Spain:

http://www.emycsa.es/sim/html/us_home.htm

well, I could get addicted to something like that /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 05:47 AM
Thanks for the links guys, they're great.

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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 09:27 AM
Speaking of aircraft salvage parts:

We just moved the business into new digs and are in the middle of remodeling everything. One of the rooms is going to be decked out in a WWII aircraft motif.

I checked eBay and only came up with a few gauges. Anyone know where I could find some bigger pieces of vintage aircraft at rock bottom prices?

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 02:29 PM
Not an engineer, but I have acouple of years of tech training from the US Marines, and I'm a defence contractor, mostly radar stuff. I was curious why you wanted gauges. I didn't think there was any way to articulate them. They would just be for looks. Your idea of having a monitor just for them seems like it would work and maintain the immersion of the pit. The nice thing about the G force concept I was talking abut is that you could build the seat and add it in to your pit later. I don't think I'd tacke that and actual motion though. I think until you build the thing, you won't know how much it contributes to the flying. All of this stuff fools the senses. Sometimes having one is enough. I think trying to do too many things (big screen display, motion, surround sound, G Force seat) might actually dillute the effect.

Are any of those projectors still available? That's something I'd LOVE to try (since I'm old and half blind anyway lol).

Good luck.

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 03:53 PM
You can articulate the gauges with the MS products but not with IL2. You can do alot of things with MS in those respects that you can't with IL2. All we can do to my knowledge is impliment a keyboard encoder. Maybe we can sweet talk Oleg into opening the code up just enough that we can use gauges and other things necessary to make a full functional cockpit like the MS folks can. MS would then have some heavy compitition.

Wasn't there supposed to be a SDK released sometime soon?

XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 02:32 AM
Thought I'd revisit the old thread, you do one and then it's history in a day, a million pages back. Anyway have built rudder pedals from a stairmaster cheapo thing and have a throttle /pitch control from an old snowblower throttle. Wired up and works, by just using an existing joystick electronics and just extending the wires a little it works great.

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 02:35 AM
ya got any pic yet?

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 02:42 AM
No but I'll do something this weekend, I'll keep the thread alive and revisit it from time to time.My stuff is still in parts, all working parts but not in one whole cockpit yet. My big problem is how to work it, since I cannot have second monitors then I need to have working guages visible so I can fly, that leaves out making some sort of console since I need to see that onscreen, I was thinking of just a rudder & yoke and basic lowere console assmebly unit with top open to have the image on my screen blend in, some switches and control on the lowere part offscreen for things like , flaps, landing gear, etc.. I want to make a trim wheel as well, found a site where a guy made one real easy with one potentiometer and wooden wheel, used switch lead from the old joystick guts.

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 02:47 AM
Hey Buster Dee, if you revisit this thread go to projectorcentral.com to check out projectors, I'm in Toronto , Canada and work for a company called AVW-TELAV, American based but they all usually have some sort of garage sell each year. Maybe if you are in the US you can find a local branch and ask them, , right now for r 1500 bucks your can buyt an S1 Epson DLP projector, which probably works out to 800 US. Check it out if you have the cash, beware of one thing with LCD or DLP projectors, you have to replace the bulbs every 1000 to 15000 hours at anywhere from 200 to 400 a bulb.

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 09:12 PM
http://www.avsim.com/hangar/flight/a320project/pics40.html



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