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Pirschjaeger
07-28-2005, 11:02 AM
Hi All,

My buddy, Thomas, in Bamberg Germany, has given me "never before published" photos to share with the community. These photos were taken during the war by his Opa and his He111 crew.

Thomas and his family has given me permission to post these. I will not post all(19)at the same time because I want to challenge the community on a few of these photos.

I hope you will all respect the fact that these pictures were made available to use and that Thomas and his family will be following this thread. I have more friends with more photos that might be willing to let me post them here if this thread is successful and respectful. I'm sure you all understand that Germans are not so open about these things, especially regarding family.

The first 4 photos were taken of a crash site. The first challenge is "Identify the plane". There's not much left to go on.

http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20015.jpg
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20016.jpg
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20017.jpg
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20018.jpg

Any takers?

Fritz

murewa
07-28-2005, 11:07 AM
JU-88? big wide rudder and the cockpit glass looks similar, plus it seems to be a dual-engine aircraft

joeap
07-28-2005, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by murewa:
JU-88? big wide rudder and the cockpit glass looks similar, plus it seems to be a dual-engine aircraft

I agree Ju-88 and Fritz thank your buddy Thomas on our behalf. Great to see history from a personal perspective.

Pirschjaeger
07-28-2005, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by murewa:
JU-88? big wide rudder and the cockpit glass looks similar, plus it seems to be a dual-engine aircraft

I agree Ju-88 and Fritz thank your buddy Thomas on our behalf. Great to see history from a personal perspective. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure Thomas will be happy reading your post.

As for the plane, yes, it was a JU/88. To me, the best clue was in the first pic. The markings on the fuselage shows it's German. The best clue, IMHO, was the tail section. How many German bombers had a somewhat square fuselage?

Now, for the next question. What is this?

http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20001.jpg

Fritz

sparty7200
07-28-2005, 11:50 AM
just a guess?..is it to commemorate the 10,000th
combat sortie over enemy territory by that particular sqaudron/group?
cheers... sparty

Pirschjaeger
07-28-2005, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by sparty7200:
just a guess?..is it to commemorate the 10,000th
combat sortie over enemy territory by that particular sqaudron/group?
cheers... sparty

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

It is actually a postcard sent from Mr. "H". What is even more interesting is that Thomas's Opa received two of these. The second was for the 20,000th mission. Sorry I don't have a copy of it.

Ok, next, and I don't know the answer to this one. "Identify the plane". It reminds me of the TB3 but obviously it's not.

http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20014.jpg

Fritz

murewa
07-28-2005, 12:05 PM
these are great pics

and this is fun, lol

no idea what that aircraft above is, looks like some pre-war semi-civilian luftwaffe transport. But maybe its a glider, can't tell if that black object just infront of the wing is an engine, if it is it's mighty small.

Capt.England
07-28-2005, 12:11 PM
Without looking in my large book collection, I think the plane is a DO 28?

From what I know, these were used for Bomber Training.

Capt.England
07-28-2005, 12:17 PM
I just had a quick look in `The Luftwaffe Album` and the plane is a Dornier Do 11

First Flight took place on 7 May 1932, It could take either six vertically-mounted magazines containing a total of 30 50kg bombs, or 120 10kg bombs on a special bomb rack.

Of 150 ordered, only 76 were delivered.

p1ngu666
07-28-2005, 12:19 PM
ive seen a model of one of them, no idea what it is tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

murewa
07-28-2005, 12:26 PM
yep thats it, the DO 11

also known as DO 13, DO 23, or DO F in it's various variants.


images.
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.luf...10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/dornier/do23_2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/dornier/do23.htm&h=434&w=478&sz=37&tbnid=w81tEMWLFgwJ:&tbnh=114&tbnw=126&hl=en&start=11&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDornier%2B23%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%2 6lr%3D)

Pirschjaeger
07-28-2005, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Capt.England:
I just had a quick look in `The Luftwaffe Album` and the plane is a Dornier Do 11

First Flight took place on 7 May 1932, It could take either six vertically-mounted magazines containing a total of 30 50kg bombs, or 120 10kg bombs on a special bomb rack.

Of 150 ordered, only 76 were delivered.

Based on your reply I googled and found this.

http://www.luftfahrtmuseum.com/drwg/s/do11.gif

Sizes and weights

Total Length :
61.155 ft
18.640 m

Greatest height :
17.717 ft
5.400 m

Wingspan :
91.864 ft
28.000 m

Wing area :
1194.804 sqft
111.000 qm

Max take off weight :
18114.1 lbs
8215.0 kg

Performance data

Max. speed :
140 kts
260 km/h

Landing speed :
55 kts
102 km/h

Cruising speed :
121 kts
225 km/h

Initial climb rate :
452.76 ft/min
2.30 m/s

Service ceiling :
13123 ft
4000 m

Cruising altitude :
7218 ft
2200 m

Wing load :
15.17 lbs/ft2
74.00 kg/qm

Range :
648 nm
1200 km

Propulsion

Kind :
KSte


Type :
Siemens Jupiter


Power rating (max.) :
592 hp
600 ps

Count :
2
2

Total power rating (max.) :
1184 hp
1200 ps

Other

Crew :
0
0


4


Armament :
3* MG 15, 1000kg Bomb.


It looks like you were right. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Ok, next photo. The first photo will be of the crew's mascot. No quiz question.
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20007.jpg

Next we have the bomber crew on RnR. This is in Crimea
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20004.jpg

Can anyone identify the marking on the car?
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20009.jpg

Fritz

Heliopause
07-28-2005, 12:37 PM
From KG 51 "Edelweis" perhaps?

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/heliopause/KG51-Edelweis.jpg

Pirschjaeger
07-28-2005, 12:41 PM
To be honest Heliopause, I don't know but I'm sure one of you guyz will. I'm just trying to make a challenge for the community but so far, it hasn't been that way. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
07-28-2005, 12:43 PM
Well, it's 2:42 am, bedtime. I'll be back in a few hours to post more pics.

Fritz

Zyzbot
07-28-2005, 12:46 PM
KG-51

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/AbzeichenGeschwader/KG51-1.jpg

murewa
07-28-2005, 12:47 PM
This is the KG51 insignia, looks slightly different to me, but looking through various unit crests this seems to be the best match, and it was a bomber unit, so it would fit the bill.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/murewa31/kg51emblem1.gif

Heliopause
07-28-2005, 12:47 PM
Those guys where bombing since Poland.

Pirschjaeger
07-28-2005, 09:10 PM
Good morning. I've decide to post the rest of the pics without the quiz questions.

Slightly used truck for sale. Lady driven and never seen winter. Serious enquiries only.
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20010.jpg

Note the black mark on the fuselage. Thomas's Oma did this at the end of the war so her husband could not so easily be identified.
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20013.jpg

http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20002.jpg

http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20012.jpg

http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20011.jpg

http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20006.jpg

This photo is cool but the girl is a little flat for my taste. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos.jpg

This is a place they were staying. I believe it was in France.
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20008.jpg

http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20003.jpg

I forgot to post this one earlier. I believe it was the funeral for the JU/88 crew members.
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20005.jpg

Fritz

Panzer_JG11
07-28-2005, 10:20 PM
S!

Thanks a lot Pirschjaeger and thanks Thomas!! Amazing photos!!

Alles Gute!

eh352
07-29-2005, 03:53 AM
Excellent! Fritz my Buddy, Gut Gemacht! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Erik

WTE_Ibis
07-29-2005, 03:53 AM
Vielen dank Thomas. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

FlatSpinMan
07-29-2005, 04:30 AM
Those were great pics. Thanks for posting them and thanks Thomas for allowing it. Interesting to see the crew lined up beside the He-111, i never really think of real people in them .Sobering thought.
great!

murewa
07-29-2005, 06:04 AM
great pictures, really interesting, and the fact they come with a story makes them all the more powerful.

Pirschjaeger
07-29-2005, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by murewa:
great pictures, really interesting, and the fact they come with a story makes them all the more powerful.

Thomas told me he will talk to his Oma and get as much detail as possible about his Opa. This will take some time since Thomas is a university student and very busy.

Maybe someone in this community has info on KG51?

Fritz

knightflyte
07-29-2005, 10:18 PM
Great pictures. Thank you so much for sharing them Thomas. Thanks for posting them too Pirschjaeger.

My favorite one....or should I say the one that affected me the most.... is the group of boys playing dominos. If not for a few of the haircuts I'd have thought they could be British, or American boys relaxing between missions. A little sobering to me. Just BOYS.....When you look at it like that nationality seems a bit unimportant.


Sometimes you see things at a cursury glance and never see the whole importance of things. Then at other times you take the time to SEE and you're forced to see the whole ugly reality of war.


Alright, I'll stop before I get marose.

Again, thatnks for sharing and posting these intimate pictures of history.

Pirschjaeger
07-29-2005, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by knightflyte:
Great pictures. Thank you so much for sharing them Thomas. Thanks for posting them too Pirschjaeger.

My favorite one....or should I say the one that affected me the most.... is the group of boys playing dominos. If not for a few of the haircuts I'd have thought they could be British, or American boys relaxing between missions. A little sobering to me. Just BOYS.....When you look at it like that nationality seems a bit unimportant.


Sometimes you see things at a cursury glance and never see the whole importance of things. Then at other times you take the time to SEE and you're forced to see the whole ugly reality of war.


Alright, I'll stop before I get marose.

Again, thatnks for sharing and posting these intimate pictures of history.

You are right. Without politicians, who would notice the differences.

Fritz

NorrisMcWhirter
07-30-2005, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by knightflyte:
Great pictures. Thank you so much for sharing them Thomas. Thanks for posting them too Pirschjaeger.

My favorite one....or should I say the one that affected me the most.... is the group of boys playing dominos. If not for a few of the haircuts I'd have thought they could be British, or American boys relaxing between missions. A little sobering to me. Just BOYS.....When you look at it like that nationality seems a bit unimportant.


Sometimes you see things at a cursury glance and never see the whole importance of things. Then at other times you take the time to SEE and you're forced to see the whole ugly reality of war.


Alright, I'll stop before I get marose.

Again, thatnks for sharing and posting these intimate pictures of history.

Yep, all someone's sons. Towards the end of Clostermann's book there is a nice story of a flight of 262s landing at their field and the subsequent meeting of pilots and the realisation that they were no different from each other. I think it's often forgotten that most of these people were just _people_ caught up in something that swept them along.

Excellent pics Pirschjaeger

Ta,
Norris

carguy_
07-30-2005, 02:27 PM
Amazing pics!What a trasure those are.I envy those having some pics left from the war.Kinda says something about how future generations view this conflict.

Pirschjaeger
07-30-2005, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by carguy_:
Amazing pics!What a trasure those are.I envy those having some pics left from the war.Kinda says something about how future generations view this conflict.

There's a lot of this stuff in Germany. People keep it but don't talk about it and don't like to show it. When someone does share it, we have to consider ourselves fortunate.

A lot of info we have on the war now comes from mostly the Allied's information. There are many missing details that had to be filled based on available info. Try to imagine how much information is missing and being hidden in closets and attics.

It seems to me that things are changing though and more and more people in Germany, especially the younger crowd, are more open to talking about it and showing their stuff.

Today there are not so many photos available from the German side. Germans were in the war from start to finish and many had cameras.

Fritz

msalama
07-31-2005, 01:36 AM
Fritz and Thomas,

Thank you for great pictures!

Enforcer572005
07-31-2005, 02:01 AM
yes, there are many vets on all sides of the war that had cameras, and there must be tons of photos just sitting in file cabinets and closets. I tried to liberate a few of those some yrs ago, but this was before scanners. now that person is gone. dunno what happened to them.

thanx for posting this, and to the owners for sharing this priceless history with people who can appreciate it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
07-31-2005, 02:18 AM
Great Pictures and thank you for sharing these with us http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Pirschjaeger
07-31-2005, 09:45 AM
I would rather not see this thread end here. Does anyone else have pics they'd like to share? Could we do this and limit it to personal or unpublished pics?

Fritz

Airmail109
07-31-2005, 10:07 AM
I have some friends who have unpublished photos and im sorry to say that they wont let any be posted here. My friends grandfarther was a british spy and was working in germany in around 1933. Some of the photos they have shown me are of hitler with wagners daughters http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif at a concert. He was posing as a jounalist. My friend has also indicated that he was involved with the Lucy spy ring, but im afraid I dont know any more.

JG54_Arnie
08-04-2005, 02:18 AM
Great thread. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Thanks Fritz and Thomas http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pirschjaeger
08-04-2005, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
Great thread. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Thanks Fritz and Thomas http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thank you for hosting the photos Arnie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

woofiedog
11-26-2005, 07:34 AM
Very interesting Photo's... Thank's for sharing.

BaldieJr
11-26-2005, 07:48 AM
neat pix but wheres the treat?

danjama
11-26-2005, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by knightflyte:
Great pictures. Thank you so much for sharing them Thomas. Thanks for posting them too Pirschjaeger.

My favorite one....or should I say the one that affected me the most.... is the group of boys playing dominos. If not for a few of the haircuts I'd have thought they could be British, or American boys relaxing between missions. A little sobering to me. Just BOYS.....When you look at it like that nationality seems a bit unimportant.


Sometimes you see things at a cursury glance and never see the whole importance of things. Then at other times you take the time to SEE and you're forced to see the whole ugly reality of war.


Alright, I'll stop before I get marose.

Again, thatnks for sharing and posting these intimate pictures of history.

Yep, all someone's sons. Towards the end of Clostermann's book there is a nice story of a flight of 262s landing at their field and the subsequent meeting of pilots and the realisation that they were no different from each other. I think it's often forgotten that most of these people were just _people_ caught up in something that swept them along.

Excellent pics Pirschjaeger

Ta,
Norris </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea i really enjoyed that section of the book. They didnt want them to leave caus they had become sucj good friends. Thanks for the photo's Fritz, very authentic to say the least.

Zeus-cat
11-26-2005, 11:12 AM
Thanks to all for sharing the photos. The photos with the He-111 crew staanding next to the tail give you an idea of how big that plane is.

P.S. Is the dog smoking a pipe in the one photo?

Zeus-cat

Daiichidoku
11-26-2005, 11:33 AM
it goes without saying, THANK YOU, Thomas, and Pirsch

i hope the other families follow suit, and i thank them now, in advance

DANKE



personal pics are so much better in so many ways than official pics



kinda OT, but

as for Germans being a little touchy about the war...

I was on a weekend getaway with my family some time ago, in Ottawa, Canada

visited, among other things (including Rockcliffe, natch!) the national war museum

one of the exhibits was a daimler limo that was used by AH around 1938, i think in austria (BIG car!)

along with period pics, including pics of what was beleived to be this very car, was german period music piped in from somewhere

how relieved i was no-one else was near that exhibit, as my mother started singing along with the tune word for word as if it only yesterday she heard it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Friendly_flyer
11-26-2005, 12:36 PM
Very interesting photos, thanks!

I like the one with the aircrew standing beside the HE111, it really gives a feeling of the size of the plane.

MEGILE
11-26-2005, 01:51 PM
Im just replying to this thread so i can use the word "vestigous".

I have no idea what it means.

BaldieJr
11-26-2005, 03:29 PM
Thats peas and carrots. Everyone noes it.

MEGILE
11-26-2005, 03:32 PM
The relative size of the digitus secundus in your sig is 0.965 to the head.

MC202zipper
11-26-2005, 05:31 PM
Hi everybody!

Firts of all my thanks to Pirschjaeger for the nice thread, very enjoyable...
And my thanks to the family that shared with us the photos...an invaluable resource is still lying in drawers that only open minded good willing people will open to share...

The Kampfgeschwader is indeed KG51 as noticed earlier and is clear when you see the 20000 mission postcard reading Bagerowo April-May 43.
In fact KG51 stationed in Bagerowo from 12.9.42 to 8.10.42 and later from 27.2.43 to 8.5.43. being part of I Fliegerkorps on JU88A.

For double checking note the 9K + GR code on the HE111 in the photos: here
http://www.ww2.dk/misc/unitid.htm
KG51 is listed as having the 9K code, and here
http://www.ww2.dk/air/kampf/kg51.htm
you can have its complete operational history...a remarkable unit, fighting since the very first days of WW2 and being equipped with the very best planes of the period, from He 111H like the ones in the photos (it seems they had it for a very short period in early war times, tough)to JU88A-4 A-5 & A-14, JU88C-6, from Me410A to Me410A-1 & Me 410A-1/U2, & finally to Me262A-1 & A-2...

S!
MC202zipper

Pirschjaeger
11-26-2005, 05:52 PM
Thx MC202zipper, interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BTW, I see your post count is a little lower than Baldies, so you must be new.

Welcome to the family, grab a beer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Fritz

LeOs.K_Walstein
11-26-2005, 06:09 PM
Sehr geehrter Herr Pirschj√¬§ger und

DANKE SCH÷N!!!

Gl√¬§nzend!

Wallstein

Daiichidoku
11-26-2005, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Thats peas and carrots. Everyone noes it.


confuscius say:

woman who puts carrots and peas in same pot very unsanitary

Pirschjaeger
11-26-2005, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Thats peas and carrots. Everyone noes it.


confuscius say:

woman who puts carrots and peas in same pot very unsanitary </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He also said "woman who fly upside down have crack up". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
11-26-2005, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by LeOs.K_Walstein:
Sehr geehrter Herr Pirschj√¬§ger und

DANKE SCH÷N!!!

Gl√¬§nzend!

Wallstein

Bitte sch√¬∂n. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Fritz

WTE_Ibis
11-26-2005, 08:08 PM
Have you posted the last few before Fritz?
And thank Thomas for all of us please. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

WTE_Ibis
11-26-2005, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Thats peas and carrots. Everyone noes it.


confuscius say:

woman who puts carrots and peas in same pot very unsanitary </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He also said "woman who fly upside down have crack up". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Woman who sleep outside walls of Jeruselem wake up with heavy dew upon her.

.

woofiedog
11-27-2005, 06:35 AM
MC202zipper... Excellent Links... Thank's

fighter_966
11-28-2005, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Hi All,

My buddy, Thomas, in Bamberg Germany, has given me "never before published" photos to share with the community. These photos were taken during the war by his Opa and his He111 crew.

Thomas and his family has given me permission to post these. I will not post all(19)at the same time because I want to challenge the community on a few of these photos.

I hope you will all respect the fact that these pictures were made available to use and that Thomas and his family will be following this thread. I have more friends with more photos that might be willing to let me post them here if this thread is successful and respectful. I'm sure you all understand that Germans are not so open about these things, especially regarding family.

The first 4 photos were taken of a crash site. The first challenge is "Identify the plane". There's not much left to go on.

http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20015.jpg
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20016.jpg
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20017.jpg
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20018.jpg

Any takers?

Fritz
JU-88

JG52_Helgstrand
11-28-2005, 01:25 AM
Yeah, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Awsome pics Fritz!!

Did you get your aplication yet?

The boat crew is waiting for you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
11-28-2005, 03:02 AM
Hi Helgstrand,

I got the ap but was waiting to see the site and learn a bit about the squad. I think I should do this before I answer the "why?" question. Right now I can give no better answer than "Why not?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

MC202zipper
11-28-2005, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
BTW, I see your post count is a little lower than Baldies, so you must be new.

Fritz

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Thanks guys for the welcome...I am sort of backstage lurker since two years... 'look & learn first..' sort of attitude...

What is REALLY sad my flying hours are less than my posts... I am a PC tech & I tend to continuously swap & test pieces & rigs, thus making for a complete & properly tuned rig setup a rare event... (this is excuse n‚?1... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif)

Have a good look around those sites, the guy that made them must be sort of a MONSTER...he did put ALL the statistics for LW High command, Air units, Ground units, Fallschirmjaegers, Hermann Goering units etc. etc. etc.....

Everytime I need a reference about ANY unit location or commander or kind of airplane used in a particular period I can find it there (I love to add as much as historical infos on my downloaded skin titles, usually adding Staffel or Gruppe or area of unit operations...these things)

By the way LuftArchiv.de is back on line here

http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?http://www.luftarchi...uftwaffe/vorwort.htm (http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?http://www.luftarchiv.de/luftwaffe/vorwort.htm)

I was shocked from the jewels of info I found in it...HIGHLY recommended (well... I don't want to play what in Italy we call 'Pierino (lil' Peter) knows it all' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but the site is really terrific and had to be mentioned when talking about good links...)

S!

MC202zipper

Daiichidoku
11-28-2005, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Thats peas and carrots. Everyone noes it.


confuscius say:

woman who puts carrots and peas in same pot very unsanitary </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He also said "woman who fly upside down have crack up". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Woman who sleep outside walls of Jeruselem wake up with heavy dew upon her.

. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



man who eats jellybeans farts in technicolour

Snyde-Dastardly
11-28-2005, 01:47 PM
Thanks for the pics!! The best thing about em is that there candid. Great job.

CARPE DIEM

fighter_966
11-30-2005, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Hi All,

My buddy, Thomas, in Bamberg Germany, has given me "never before published" photos to share with the community. These photos were taken during the war by his Opa and his He111 crew.

Thomas and his family has given me permission to post these. I will not post all(19)at the same time because I want to challenge the community on a few of these photos.

I hope you will all respect the fact that these pictures were made available to use and that Thomas and his family will be following this thread. I have more friends with more photos that might be willing to let me post them here if this thread is successful and respectful. I'm sure you all understand that Germans are not so open about these things, especially regarding family.

The first 4 photos were taken of a crash site. The first challenge is "Identify the plane". There's not much left to go on.

http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20015.jpg
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20016.jpg
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20017.jpg
http://www.easternhotshots.com/Thomas/LW%20Photos%20018.jpg

Any takers? Ianswered that nquestion some time ago but now I cant find my answer ..?? my answer was just Ju88


Fritz

Udidtoo
11-30-2005, 01:23 AM
Man I must have been in the hossy and missed these back in July. Excellent pictures. I could use another truck but I need an old beater for running around in the desert and that one is way to nice to run through the mesquite stands.

polak5
11-30-2005, 01:34 AM
i sincerly appreciate them for coming thru and sharing these pics for us. Biggest regards on my behalf. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif