View Full Version : Bf-109 Crash Sep 1940 - Need info

01-17-2006, 01:13 PM
My father saw a Bf-109 crash in Sep 1940 near his home (now my home) and I'm wondering if I can find out who the pilot was.

According to dad, the plane was on fire and in a flat spin (he said it was coming down very slowly and turning). It crashed in Wickham Street in Welling, Kent and was not badly damaged. Unfortunately the pilot was killed because his parachute caught fire - he landed very close to his aircraft.

The pilot was buried at Bexleyheath Cemetery with military honours (dad read about this in the local paper) and was later transferred to the German cemetery at Cannock Chase.

He also remembers that the pilot was not of senior rank. The crash site is now a block of garages.

Does anyone know of any sources where I can maybe find anything out? Failing that maybe I can contact the cemetery and find out if they have any records.

01-17-2006, 01:30 PM
I bet you could find out from your local Library or even more possibly your Council. My library has been very helpful with things like this, so i wouldrecommend go to your library. Hope this helped http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

01-17-2006, 02:24 PM
You could always try this site,they are very helpful on here if you ask. http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?s=462...08d643112f&forumid=4 (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?s=4622def428601e61e5fd9208d643112 f&forumid=4)

01-17-2006, 02:49 PM

May be worth trying here:


Best Regards,

01-17-2006, 07:32 PM
Would this be any good?

Combat Claims and Casulties lists.


01-18-2006, 01:45 AM
I´ve been told that the best information comes from the RedCross. But, maybe this only relates to those seeking family members. I believe the Red Cross was responsible for sorting out the dead on both sides.

I'd like to hear any info you do find.


03-16-2006, 02:25 PM
Some news from Bexleyheath Cemetery...

'The record we have is that Albert Friedmann 2nd Lieut German Air Force aged 26 on the 20.10.1940 Place of death Gibsons Farm Wickham Street.

And W Krohn pilot in German Air Force who died on 4.11.1940 at Coldblow Bexley.

They where both Exhumed in 1962 and where re-interred in German War Cemetery Cannock Chase Stafford.'

I'm not sure whether to go any further?

03-17-2006, 04:06 AM
Also Grue a Ju88 crashed at Fanny on the Hill on the Cemetary side of Wickham lane heading to Plumstead, most of the aircraft were shot down by flak placed ontop of Bostall Heath Field over looking the Thames from East to West as they come up the river.

Ruy Horta
03-17-2006, 04:30 AM
Originally posted by Grue_:
My father saw a Bf-109 crash in Sep 1940 near his home (now my home) and I'm wondering if I can find out who the pilot was.

I'll shamelessly plug my forum, if you post this question you'll have a 80% chance of getting a full answer, especially if you can narrow down the date etc.

Suggest however that you register under your real name.


Best to post the questIOn under on the Luftwaffe and AxiS Air Forces forum.

Good luck!

P.S. You'd probably also have a good chance if you dig into The Battle of Britain Then and Now, by Ramsey (editor). Either way you need a specific location and if possible date.

EDIT - spelling

03-17-2006, 06:47 AM
Are you a local Alpha? I live in Okehampton Crescent.

Thanks Ruy I'll give that a try.

03-17-2006, 09:26 AM
Right around the corner on Westheath Road

Also the story about the bf109 pilot who strafed Greenwich Park memorial at the top of the hill near the Royal observatory is well known look at the bullet holes still in it one day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

04-04-2006, 02:19 PM
Hey I missed that post Alpha. PM me if you fancy a beer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The guys over at http://forum.12oclockhigh.net provided all the information about the plane my dad saw crash. There are some discrepancies between his recollection and record but here are the details anyway. I've copied the text below from responses in the other forum.

The aircraft was Bf109E-4(2780) that exploded under attack by P/O Draper of No.74 Sqdn. & fell apart over Welling at 1.45 pm on Sunday 20 October 1940.

The pilot 65167/6 Oberfw Albert FRIEDEMANN Born, Meusdorf 25.11.1913 of 6./JG52 fell dead & was originally buried in Service Grave E492 in Bexleyheath Cemetery on 29 October before reinterrment in Cannock Chase Block 1, Row 7, Grave 256.

A photo of the crashed plane:


The back of the photo:


A profile of the 109, note the pilot's name is incorrect:


04-04-2006, 02:33 PM