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TheBandit_76
01-05-2007, 01:46 PM
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TheBandit_76
01-05-2007, 01:46 PM
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T_O_A_D
01-05-2007, 02:08 PM
I've been thinking of finding one of those and restoring it, to WW2 specs and take it to the parades.

I'd have more fun with that, than restoring some old John deere tractor or something.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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jarink
01-05-2007, 02:44 PM
Nope, the "Duece-and-a-half" (2 1/2 ton) truck, the C-47 (plus the C-46 and C-54) and Liberty ships won teh war.
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Krizz1972
01-05-2007, 02:49 PM
The Willys Jeep also won the Vietnam-war!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Irish_Rogues
01-05-2007, 02:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
I've been thinking of finding one of those and restoring it, to WW2 specs and take it to the parades.

I'd have more fun with that, than restoring some old John deere tractor or something. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It would be fun. We all looked into the government auctions when we were getting old enough to drive around here, because they gave examples of buying them for $300 or something like that. The only problem was there weren't any floating around anymore. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Rather hard to find these days as most of the decent ones seem to have been scooped up, first by off-road guys that modded them and more recent in any shape by WWII re-enactors. Good luck if you do pick up the search. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Akronnick
01-05-2007, 03:11 PM
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Xiolablu3
01-05-2007, 03:15 PM
My Mum had a Willys jeep as her first Vehicle. She says they were so cheap after the war that lots of people bought them up as a run-a-round. (We live in England, Midlands)

SHe said it was great in summer when you took the top off.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DarkWingDuck...
01-05-2007, 03:16 PM
Always fancied one of these, probably like rocking horse S**t tho

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hi_stik
01-05-2007, 03:20 PM
anyone who's a real student of WWII knows that Spam won ''teh'' war.

Our potted meats were the finest in the world, and beat those nasty *** sardines the Italians ate, the gross as **** crabmeat the Japanese ate, and the Vienna Sausages that the Germans ate.

SPAM!!

Xiolablu3
01-05-2007, 03:21 PM
Sorry dual post, forum is being really wierd. Messages I have posted in threads dont show themselves for ages after posting, even after numerous refreshes.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Rjel
01-05-2007, 03:27 PM
It probably didn't win the war alone. But with this high powered version it, along with a little help from the British, swept the Germans out of North Africa. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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01-05-2007, 03:45 PM
Sorry, forum being wierd.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
01-05-2007, 03:47 PM
Didnt the SAS strap WW1 Lewis aircraft guns to their Jeeps in WW2?

I am sure I read about it, these guns had 1200rpm rates of fire and they used to drive through enemy airfields at night, at high speed, shooting up all the planes.

http://www.g-j-anstee.demon.co.uk/frame/thumnail/jeep.jpg

These attacks were really effective as they were in and gone before the enemy knew what hit them.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
01-05-2007, 04:38 PM
Sorry dual post, forum is being wierd for me.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
01-05-2007, 04:47 PM
Puleeeeeeeeeeeeze

faustnik
01-05-2007, 04:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hi_stik:
anyone who's a real student of WWII knows that Spam won ''teh'' war.

Our potted meats were the finest in the world, and beat those nasty *** sardines the Italians ate, the gross as **** crabmeat the Japanese ate, and the Vienna Sausages that the Germans ate.

SPAM!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SPAM RULES!

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01-05-2007, 04:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rjel:
It probably didn't win the war alone. But with this high powered version it, along with a little help from the British, swept the Germans out of North Africa. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://home.comcast.net/~rjelmiles/ratpatrol.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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WarWolfe_1
01-05-2007, 06:06 PM
The only reason the war was won by the allies was because of US involement.

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TheBandit_76
01-05-2007, 10:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DarkWingDuck...:
Always fancied one of these, probably like rocking horse S**t tho

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No doubt Duck.

I have this hare-brained idea that I will one day construct a mold, and produce fiberglass kits of the Schwimmer. Wonder how close it is in chassis size to the VW.......<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Esel1964
01-05-2007, 10:48 PM
SAS- 'Rat Patrol',yeah! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
Xiolablu3,you're right about the Lewis guns.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/DMFesel/SASJeep.jpg

Wicked use of the Jeep!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif
I'm not throwing my hat in the "Jeep won war" ring,I'm just saying it was unbelievably multi-purposed.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Aaron_GT
01-06-2007, 02:51 AM
The first photo in the thread has it right - a photo of a load of equipment. Logistics and production won the war. The USA was pretty much untouched on its own soil and its industrial and agricultural capacity, plus its geography (far enough away from Japan and Germany) was the war winner.

msalama
01-06-2007, 04:14 AM
Phah! The T34 w0n t3h war, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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msalama
01-06-2007, 04:17 AM
Voted for nr. 3 BTW. That's what U get being constantly indoctrinated by t3h Yankies on dese boards http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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msalama
01-06-2007, 04:19 AM
No, sorry. Hippies won the war actually. See my sig.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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msalama
01-06-2007, 04:25 AM
But who won the war the SECOND time??? Well, Basil Fawlty of course http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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joeap
01-06-2007, 04:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by msalama:
Phah! The T34 w0n t3h war, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Phah! Factory workers and those (same factory workers, railway workers etc.) who moved whole factories to the Urals won the war. As did those comrade dudes working in the Stalingrad T-34 factory making T-34s which left the assembly line to go fight the Germans at the other end of the factory.

But hey, those guys ate Spam too.

Akronnick
01-06-2007, 04:51 AM
Won the war!!
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Grendel-B
01-06-2007, 06:17 AM
How many jeeps were on eastern front?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TheBandit_76
01-06-2007, 07:12 AM
Were the Jeeps sent to Russia during WW2 as part of Lend Lease specially adapted for Russian weather, primitive roads etc.?
No, in fact they were our cast-offs. We originally sent Russia (and other Lend Lease countries) our Bantam BRC-40, Willys MA, and Ford GP 1st model prototype Jeeps because they did not meet the new standards set by the Willys 2nd model, the Willys MB. The newer WWII Jeeps were not for sale in great quantities, as we didn?t have many to spare in the early stages of World War Two. As the war progressed and we had enough jeeps for our uses, we sent over MB's and GPA's to our Lend Lease Partners. At the same time, Russia had reverse engineered a jeep of their own, The GAZ-67, 4x4, Command Car, copying most of it?s parts and design layout from the US versions. It's front end styling is distinctly Russian, but it still shows the influence of the prototype BRC and MA headlight style. (see below for a link to my WWII GAZ Jeep page).

This above is from this Russia Lend Lease (http://www.theeasternfront.co.uk/Vehicles/russian/lendleasevehicles.htm) page has good info on various LL vehicles, but I cannot find a Jeep number this morning. Isn't it like us Yanks to send our cast-offs to our allies? Ill-handling P39s and Ball-less P38s......shame on us.

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01-06-2007, 07:25 AM
Sorry if I burst a few bubbles in here but blood won the war.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-06-2007, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ill-handling P39s </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, the Russians seemed to have a knack for the Cobra regardless of what you guys thought about it! Which is funny, though - a POS fighter in the West all of a sudden becoming a top gun (well comparatively speaking at least) in the East...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
01-06-2007, 08:00 AM
War was won by cheap American PX cigarettes made with finest American tobacco. Germans, Japanese, and our Allies suffered from superior tobacco depravation, and consequent sagging morale---exception, the British Royal Navy was issued top-grade leaf tobacco for roll-ups. Germans bungled by issuing the precursor of Ecstasy to their army (no joke), as a stimulant, thereby filling hospitals with zoned-out drug casualties.

Aaron_GT
01-06-2007, 08:05 AM
The morale boost of good cigs (or those coca cola plants the US Army took with it) is probably a factor. WW2 did give us the ersatz German coca cola that became Fanta (from the German for fantastic, although how fantastic you think this line of sugary beverages is depends on your taste!)

leitmotiv
01-06-2007, 09:53 AM
Didn't know that history of Fanta, Aaron, fascinating! Hand it to the incredible German chemical industry to try to make an ersatz Coke!

Maybe the Hershey bar won the war?

Edibles certainly played a part in WWI. The German soldiers were so deprived of good victuals, the great Ludendorff offensives of 1918 bogged down when the landsers discovered warehouses full of Entente food from the Americas, and they gorged themselves instead of marching hard for Paris. Who could blame them?

My father volunteered for the U.S. submarine service in 1942 because of the pay and the steaks.

MEGILE
01-06-2007, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:

SPAM RULES!

Crumpits suck. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Real men eat tea and crumpits while under fire<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-06-2007, 11:30 AM
People of USSR won the war.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-06-2007, 11:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BigganD:
People of USSR won the war. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

On U.S. Fuel.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-06-2007, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">On U.S. Fuel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
redneck propaganda.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
01-06-2007, 11:40 AM
'The SAS grew in size until there were several other Allied
components, including French and Belgium. From the outset the
founding unit was given the motto "Who Dares Wins" which has stood
to this day. Raids were typically performed with Jeeps carrying
extra water and fuel for long range missions and armed to the teeth
with Vickers K machine guns, Lewis guns. By the end of the North
African campaign the SAS had destroyed over 400 enemy aircraft. The
SAS Brigade as a whole inflicted more than twenty times as many
casualties as they suffered in the operations of 1944/45. They took
about 5000 German prisoners.'

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WarWolfe_1
01-06-2007, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BigganD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">On U.S. Fuel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
redneck propaganda. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Tater-SW-
01-06-2007, 11:45 AM
58% of all fuel used by the CCCP during WW2 came from the USA.

The rest of lend-lease pales in comparison.

leitmotiv
01-06-2007, 11:56 AM
I was about to write "Allied goods---Soviet backbone" and recalled the NKVD. Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote in THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO that the ranks and ranks of penal battalions won the Battle of Stalingrad. The people of the USSR had little choice---genocidal Germans to the front, homicidal NKVD troop to the rear. Never to diminish the sheer guts of them, but here was a case where bravery was not an option.

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01-06-2007, 12:05 PM
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LStarosta
01-06-2007, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:

SPAM RULES!

Crumpits suck. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Real men eat tea and crumpits while under fire </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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01-06-2007, 01:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Didn't know that history of Fanta, Aaron, fascinating! Hand it to the incredible German chemical industry to try to make an ersatz Coke!

Maybe the Hershey bar won the war?

Edibles certainly played a part in WWI. The German soldiers were so deprived of good victuals, the great Ludendorff offensives of 1918 bogged down when the landsers discovered warehouses full of Entente food from the Americas, and they gorged themselves instead of marching hard for Paris. Who could blame them?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... So the Germans lost WW1 due to indigestion?


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leitmotiv
01-06-2007, 01:26 PM
Life is strange, innit?

JuHa-
01-06-2007, 01:48 PM
Russian horse pulled carts.

leitmotiv
01-06-2007, 02:02 PM
Considering the vast size of the non-motorized part of the Russian army, and the amount of work horses had to do in the Russian army from cavalry (the cavalry was a big part of the army) to supply, I'll vote for the Russian horse.

msalama
01-06-2007, 02:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'll vote for the Russian horse. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, the Russians weren't alone in that. Horses were the most common means of transportation in the Wehrmacht too IIRC. Anthony Beevor has written about this in his magnificent book "Stalingrad", but of course I can't cite him now because my copy has gone AWOL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JuHa-
01-06-2007, 02:54 PM
My book claims that at the start of the war about 80% of the Wehrmacht was horsepowered.

Fox_3
01-06-2007, 05:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Didnt the SAS strap WW1 Lewis aircraft guns to their Jeeps in WW2?

I am sure I read about it, these guns had 1200rpm rates of fire and they used to drive through enemy airfields at night, at high speed, shooting up all the planes.

http://www.g-j-anstee.demon.co.uk/frame/thumnail/jeep.jpg

These attacks were really effective as they were in and gone before the enemy knew what hit them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The SAS used Vickers .303 VGO 'K' guns on their jeeps, stripped out of RAF aircraft, mainly Lysanders.

The Long Range Desert Group (LRDG) did use the Lewis gun on their vehicles.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LStarosta
01-06-2007, 06:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fox_3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Didnt the SAS strap WW1 Lewis aircraft guns to their Jeeps in WW2?

I am sure I read about it, these guns had 1200rpm rates of fire and they used to drive through enemy airfields at night, at high speed, shooting up all the planes.

http://www.g-j-anstee.demon.co.uk/frame/thumnail/jeep.jpg

These attacks were really effective as they were in and gone before the enemy knew what hit them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The SAS used Vickers .303 VGO 'K' guns on their jeeps, stripped out of RAF aircraft, mainly Lysanders.

The Long Range Desert Group (LRDG) did use the Lewis gun on their vehicles. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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BillyTheKid_22
01-06-2007, 09:35 PM
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msalama
01-07-2007, 12:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...about 80% of the Wehrmacht was horsepowered. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kiitos Juha, that was just the snippet I was after. Cheers.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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