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M2morris
03-07-2007, 06:09 PM
For those of you interested; I was listening to a Fresno CA radio interview today with a guy named Anthony Lewis, and he said that the USS Iowa will be taken out of the mothball fleet and will be docked in Stockton CA as a museum there. That's great news, but what got to me was the fact that the SanFransisco city council turned down having it in thier bay, apparently because they don't like having a weapon of war, or things military there. That kind of made me feel sick. Anyway, he also said Stockton was the last chance for the Iowa, it was nearly going to put to death as an artificial reef somewhere because nobody wanted it. But it looks like things are looking up for the Stockton CA folks, they are getting an awesome Battle Ship. Bad arse. The date isn't set I dont think, but they are calling it: "The last cruise of the Iowa". That's the day she will be taken up the river and over to Stockton.
http://www.battleshipiowamuseum.org/

BillyTheKid_22
03-07-2007, 06:15 PM
http://www.bluejacket.com/usn/images/sp/bc/bb61_iowa_4bb_column.jpg



http://www.bluejacket.com/usn/images/sp/bc/w2_bb61_iowa_fires.jpg



http://www.ussiowa.com/Life/USSIowaLife01.JPG

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif USS Iowa (BB-61)

Copperhead310th
03-07-2007, 08:00 PM
Jeez just how many of our Battle Ships were named after states anyway? lol

I know there's the Alabama- Wich is docked in Mobile. But i'd never really given it much thought till now. Wonder what thery planed to do after they got to number 50?
Even better, and this is a really STUPID questionbut we don't even use battle ships any more do we?

(i'm a land lubber, i'll let my squid buddies clue me in, cause un leess it's in regards to the USAF or US Army,i know next to nothing.

berg417448
03-07-2007, 08:08 PM
This will help you out with how USN ships get their names:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/names.htm

I_KG100_Prien
03-07-2007, 08:09 PM
Thats really neat. Wish they had done this about 10 years ago when I lived 45 minutes from Stockton. Oh well, I live 15 minutes from USS Wisconsin.. it's fun to go visit it every so often. I've always had a fascination with the old Battleships, talk about impressive machines of warfare. Wonderful pieces of History.

jarink
03-07-2007, 08:48 PM
Too bad it can't get up the Mississippi. I'm sure Davenport would love to have it!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif


Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Jeez just how many of our Battle Ships were named after states anyway? lol

Umm... all of them? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

What I don't understand is why some states got "repeats" (example: there were 2 "New Jerseys", BB16 and BB62) and other states have never had their own battleship. Illinois and Kentucky got close with the 5th and 6th Iowa-class ships, but they were never finished and broken up for scrap. Being from Illinois, I think it's unfair the New Jersey (BB62) was included as a name in a class otherwise completely of midwestern states. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Zeus-cat
03-07-2007, 09:26 PM
To Copperhead310th,

No, we don't use battleships anymore. They are obsolete given that a carrier can do almost everything a battleship does.

PBNA-Boosher
03-07-2007, 09:30 PM
Glad you found a home, USS Iowa. Thanks for the news!

luftluuver
03-07-2007, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Jeez just how many of our Battle Ships were named after states anyway? lol

I know there's the Alabama- Wich is docked in Mobile. But i'd never really given it much thought till now. Wonder what thery planed to do after they got to number 50?
When a ship is de-commisioned, or not built, its name gets re-used. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

some are:
Alabama, BB8 and BB60
Washington, BB47 and BB56
North Carolina, BB52 and BB55
Massachsetts, BB54 and BB59
South Dakota, BB49 and BB57
Iowa, BB53 and BB61

Back then when the USA was building BBs, there was only 48 states. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

reisen52
03-07-2007, 10:07 PM
And more then likely some politicians needed to get greased for some appropriation votes.

NJ had a phenomenally strong Democrat Party political machine for most of the 20th century.

Ishmael932
03-07-2007, 11:30 PM
I grew up in Benicia, where the Iowa is moored. I say good for Stockton. The site is a perfect fit for space & traffic access and is centrally located to both the Sacramento & San Francisco areas. I lived in Vallejo, 7 miles downriver from Benicia for 17 years. That's where,"The Old Prune Barge", USS California(BB-44) was built. The California was the only BB built on the West Coast.

I find S.F.'s position sad. My father & grandfather sailed out of San Francisco as merchant seamen from 1900 into the 1960's. San Francisco was a Navy town from the days of the Gold Rush & the Barbary Coast. It's one thing to be against this president & this war. It's another thing entirely to denigrate the memory of a proud ship that saw action against the enemies of free men and dishonors the gallant crew who manned her over her 50 years of service to the nation.http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8431/ussiowadu0.jpg

StellarRat
03-08-2007, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
To Copperhead310th,

No, we don't use battleships anymore. They are obsolete given that a carrier can do almost everything a battleship does. That's true, however, even a modern carrier can't shug off hits from cruise missiles and torpedoes. A battleship can take a far worse beating and survive. I doubt that anything less than a 1000 lb. warhead would make much of an impression on this class of battleship. Modern anti-ship missiles have warheads of between 200 - 600 lbs of HE. These ships were designed to fight in an environment of 2700 lb. naval shells going 2,500 fps. The few kamikazes that managed to survive the AA and get a hit (not many) didn't even slow them down.

Quoted from http://www.ussnewjersey.com/hist_sts.htm

( Remember, we're talking solid steel armor plating. )

"The main armor belt of the hull is 13.5 inches tapering 19-degrees vertically to 1.62 inches. Aft, to protect the propellers and shafts, the armor is 13.5 inches thick. Other armor thicknesses include: Turret Faces 17 inches, Turret Tops 7.25 inches, Turret Backs 12 inches, Turret Sides 9.25 inches, Second Deck Armor 6 inches, Conning Tower Sides 17.3 inches."

Modern naval vessels are hardly armored at all. Some are made with a lot of aluminium to save weight. If they get hit, they die ala the Sheffield in the Falklands war. The strategy now is to intercept and destroy incoming threat before you get hit, (anti-missiles system, SAM's, etc...)

Quoted from http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_16-50_mk7.htm

"The Armor Piercing shell fired by these guns is capable of penetrating nearly 30 feet (9 m) of concrete, depending upon the range and obliquity of impact. The High Capacity (HC) shell can create a crater 50 feet wide and 20 feet deep (15 x 6 m). During her deployment off Vietnam, USS New Jersey (BB-62) occasionally fired a single HC round into the jungle and so created a helicopter landing zone 200 yards (180 m) in diameter and defoliated trees for 300 yards (270 m) beyond that. "

I'm pretty sure an AP shell from the Iowa would pass completely through one of the modern destroyers lengthwise. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
03-08-2007, 12:48 AM
I live in Stockton---the truth of the matter is that IOWA will, most likely, not make it here. See latest news from the local paper:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200...50318/-1/A_OPINION06 (http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070305/A_OPINION01/703050318/-1/A_OPINION06)

Damned annoying. We had the WWII sub PAMPANITO for several years, and I fancied having something other than colossal grain ships in the Channel.

M2morris
03-08-2007, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I live in Stockton---the truth of the matter is that IOWA will, most likely, not make it here. See latest news from the local paper:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200...50318/-1/A_OPINION06 (http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070305/A_OPINION01/703050318/-1/A_OPINION06)

Damned annoying. We had the WWII sub PAMPANITO for several years, and I fancied having something other than colossal grain ships in the Channel.
Oh man that sucks, I wish now that I had never heard that radio interview, it makes me sad.

leitmotiv
03-08-2007, 06:07 AM
Definitely sucks. Would have been the only reason to enjoy being in this wretched outpost of the empire!

Monterey13
03-08-2007, 06:26 AM
Hey, I never knew there was a "rough and ready" island. That's where they were gonna put her.

Well, maybe in 2025, when my ship gets decommissioned, they will put her there. Her nickname is "rough n ready".

http://www.navysite.de/cg/cg61.html

woofiedog
03-08-2007, 06:34 AM
Great to see that they are saving her from the scrap heap! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

T_O_A_D
03-08-2007, 06:38 AM
I still think, if it bears a States name and there is a water access, it should be mored at the State its named after.

Heck the Missouri, and the Iowa could manuever the Mississippi River.

The Quad cities in Iowa, and St Louis for the Missouri.

It would be nice for us midwesteners to get something close to home to view instead of a lonely tank or small artilary at the local VFW's

Monterey13
03-08-2007, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
I still think, if it bears a States name and there is a water access, it should be mored at the State its named after.

Heck the Missouri, and the Iowa could manuever the Mississippi River.

The Quad cities in Iowa, and St Louis for the Missouri.

It would be nice for us midwesteners to get something close to home to view instead of a lonely tank or small artilary at the local VFW's

I would like to see them there as well, Toad. I lost a friend when her turret blew up. He was a fellow classmate in one of my Fire Control Schools.

Richard John Lewis Fire Controlman, Seaman Apprentice (FCSA) Northville, MI

A very sad day for all of us.


As deep as those Battleships sit in the water, I don't think they'd make it, unless there is a continuous channel that is deep enough, and doesn't have very sharp turns, allowing them to navigate thru it. I'm not up on the geography of the Mighty Mississippi, and don't know if the bridges, locks,etc... would allow enough to let them through.

Blutarski2004
03-08-2007, 07:55 AM
IOWA Class BB's deployed to the Mideast during Desert Storm I and gave deadly gunfire support. Even with the old "dumb" 16-inch ammunition, nothing within 15-20 miles of navigable waters is safe with one of these ships lurking on the horizon. The technology is already available on the shelf for extended range precision-guided projectiles.

Here is what a BB can do that a CV cannot. Without the turret crews breaking a sweat, a BB can deliver 20,000+ lbs of ordnance per minute anywhere within a 20 mile radius of its position. The first salvo will be on the way well before the pilots can get from the briefing room to their cockpits and catapult off the flight deck of their CV.

The biggest, and probably insurmountable, drawbacks to keeping these BB's in commission are their oil-fired (i.e. non-nuclear) propulsion machinery, their very high manning requirements, and their now 70 year old technology. Not only are certain spares no longer available, no one remains around who manufactures them.

leitmotiv
03-08-2007, 08:14 AM
Rough and Ready Island used to be a hugely important USN communications station. It and the fact that Stockton had the biggest inland port on the West Coast in the '60's made Stockton suitable for several Sov ICBMs which really made my day when I was growing up. Now R&R Island is just a business park. When I was a kid, the Channel was packed with mothballed WWII-era warships---rank after rank of DDs, DEs, transports, you name it. One day about 1971 I went out to look at them and all were gone---I was stunned.

icrash
03-08-2007, 09:07 AM
Thanks for the update on the Iowa. Here's a list I wandered across of what is left of the battleships.
North Carolina, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Iowa,Alabama, Missouri, Wisconsin, and The ancient one BB-35 Texas

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49559066/?qo=25&q=b...%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49559066/?qo=25&q=by%3Aww2warbird&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps)

TC_Stele
03-08-2007, 11:45 AM
I'm glad that the Iowa won't be staying in San Francisco, only because they don't deserve her. Glad she found a new home.

leitmotiv
03-08-2007, 11:54 AM
SHE HASN'T! Re-posting:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200...50318/-1/A_OPINION06 (http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070305/A_OPINION01/703050318/-1/A_OPINION06)

icrash
03-08-2007, 04:52 PM
Can the U.S. sell Stockton and San Fran off to ease the national debt....please?

M2morris
03-08-2007, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by icrash:
Thanks for the update on the Iowa. Here's a list I wandered across of what is left of the battleships.
North Carolina, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Iowa,Alabama, Missouri, Wisconsin, and The ancient one BB-35 Texas

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49559066/?qo=25&q=b...%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49559066/?qo=25&q=by%3Aww2warbird&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps)
I checked out the USS North Carolina from bow to stern twice while I was stationed in that area, it's moored in Wilmington NC, it has a king fisher on it, I wish I could find that picture.
The good people there in NC are patriotic enough and willing to cut through the red tape and proudly maintain thier memorial, but I geuss these califoria-ites are a different breed.

I_KG100_Prien
03-08-2007, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by M2morris:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by icrash:
Thanks for the update on the Iowa. Here's a list I wandered across of what is left of the battleships.
North Carolina, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Iowa,Alabama, Missouri, Wisconsin, and The ancient one BB-35 Texas

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49559066/?qo=25&q=b...%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49559066/?qo=25&q=by%3Aww2warbird&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps)
I checked out the USS North Carolina from bow to stern twice while I was stationed in that area, it's moored in Wilmington NC, it has a king fisher on it, I wish I could find that picture.
The good people there in NC are patriotic enough and willing to cut through the red tape and proudly maintain thier memorial, but I geuss these califoria-ites are a different breed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm glad I don't live in the Socialist State of Kalifornia anymore. Loved where I grew up when I was growing up, however it's changed so much that it's not the small community I loved.

Mooring that BB there would have been a good way to liven up the Slum of Stockton. Oh well, maybe she'll find a home that will receive her with open arms and hearts.

Speaking of old BB's and in particular the Texas, I toured her back when I was 12 years old. My Grandmother took me to see it. Wish I knew what happened to the photographs that were taken. One neat little tidbit.. I recall when I read the book "Iron Coffins" by Herbert A. Werner, he included the account of when he was on one of his first U-boat patrols. His boat crossed paths with the Texas, but it was before the U.S entered the war. He remembered his Captains frustration when they couldn't fire upon it. What a ripe target for a U-boat indeed.

Monterey13
03-08-2007, 08:49 PM
LOL, I doubt the u-boat carried enough torps to sink her. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

icrash
03-08-2007, 08:59 PM
My Grandmother took me to see it. Wish I knew what happened to the photographs that were taken.
If you go to deviantart.com and search "by `ww2warbird" some of my pics of BB-35 will turn up. I ended up shooting 72 exposures and posted a few. You can get into main turret #2 and the engine room now.

slo_1_2_3
03-09-2007, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
I still think, if it bears a States name and there is a water access, it should be mored at the State its named after.

Heck the Missouri, and the Iowa could manuever the Mississippi River.

The Quad cities in Iowa, and St Louis for the Missouri.

It would be nice for us midwesteners to get something close to home to view instead of a lonely tank or small artilary at the local VFW's


O that would be fun being about 2 hours away froma a battle ship in st louis , I vote yes if that ever comes up. Otehrwise they could dock it with the yorktown and the other few naval ships in charelston north carolina, I go there on vacation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

O and I would very happily vote yes on a proposal to sell the entire state of california it'll give you cancer.

leitmotiv
03-09-2007, 12:42 AM
You can bet there will be a memorial to Bill Clinton in San Francisco and Stockton before a battleship ties up at either permanently. San Francisco forgets the Bay was jam packed with the Pacific Fleet in WWII, and was the shipping out point for a generation at war. Poor old IOWA, homeless in her old age. The most impressive thing in the San Francisco Maritime Museum is a colossal, roughly ten foot long, builder's model of Mare Island's battleship CALIFORNIA made about 1920. I was stunned when I first saw it forty-three years ago.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/k13000/k13507.jpg

woofiedog
03-09-2007, 06:23 AM
USS Massachusetts...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture113.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture087.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture085.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture003.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture091.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture081.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture074.jpg

M2morris
03-09-2007, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
You can bet there will be a memorial to Bill Clinton in San Francisco and Stockton before a battleship ties up at either permanently. San Francisco forgets the Bay was jam packed with the Pacific Fleet in WWII, and was the shipping out point for a generation at war. Poor old IOWA, homeless in her old age. The most impressive thing in the San Francisco Maritime Museum is a colossal, roughly ten foot long, builder's model of Mare Island's battleship CALIFORNIA made about 1920. I was stunned when I first saw it forty-three years ago.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/k13000/k13507.jpg

They probably already have a statue of tricky willy somewhere over there in sanfran,I wouldnt doubt it.
I was born in Fresno, spent my childhood here, all my relatives live here, so after I retired from the Army I came here. Mistake. Gang wars, horrible home prices, liberals that dont like Battle Ships!??
Me and my wife have now officially decided to move to Texas.
Thats right. I want enough property for a small grass airstrip, sure the hell can't get that here unless I'm a friggin bajillionare.

Beaufort-RAF
03-09-2007, 06:55 AM
Not a single British battleship was preserved. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

joeap
03-09-2007, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by Beaufort-RAF:
Not a single British battleship was preserved. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

No kidding. Would have loved to see the Warspite preserved as a vet of WWI and II.

icrash
03-09-2007, 09:03 AM
hey Woofie, will they let you into one of the main turrets on the Mass.? Are the newer battleships any easier to get around in? I mean tall people should be issued asprin & hardhats before getting on the Texas.

Beaufort-RAF
03-09-2007, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beaufort-RAF:
Not a single British battleship was preserved. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

No kidding. Would have loved to see the Warspite preserved as a vet of WWI and II. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quite agree (http://www.warshipsifr.com/shipsTheyShouldHaveSaved.html)

kgoldsberry
03-09-2007, 10:28 AM
Al is not lost. There is an effort to move the Iowa to mare island in Vallejo Ca.

http://www.battleshipiowa.org/

Just an FYI, SF is host to a liberty ship (Jeremiah O'Brien?) and a USN fleet submarine.
Alameda across the bay from SF is host to the USS Hornet CV12.
A short drive to the central valley and you can visit the old Castle air force base museum, many planes on static display and a nice memoribilia collection.

Ishmael932
03-09-2007, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by kgoldsberry:
Al is not lost. There is an effort to move the Iowa to mare island in Vallejo Ca.

http://www.battleshipiowa.org/

Just an FYI, SF is host to a liberty ship (Jeremiah O'Brien?) and a USN fleet submarine.
Alameda across the bay from SF is host to the USS Hornet CV12.
A short drive to the central valley and you can visit the old Castle air force base museum, many planes on static display and a nice memoribilia collection.

This is even better news. Mare Island is where USS California(BB-44) was built. The only battleship built on the West Coast. Mare Island's first commandant was David Glasgow Farragut, naval hero of the Civil War. Also, the Chapel at Mare Island is completely outfitted with Tiffany stained glass windows. My old ship, USS Schofield(DEG-3) was moored there for many years until they sank her for a torpedo target. Just be sure to lock your cars while there. Vallejo is also the only town in America featured on the TV show,"Unsolved Mysteries", twice in the same month.

On a side note, I smoked a joint in the captain's chairs of both USS Iowa & USS Wisconsin when they were in mothballs in Philly in 1977. My ship's drydock was right next to where they were moored. Then I got to go aboard USS Missouri & USS New Jersey during the first 2 Fleet Weeks in S.F, during the 80's. So I've been aboard all 4 of the Iowa class BBs.

woofiedog
03-09-2007, 02:18 PM
icrash... Yes you can go into the rear turret and you don't need a Hardhat to walk around the ship. LoL

But since some visits I made in the early 80's... they have closed off the bridge area and a few other spaces. People going in and destroying equipment. Modern times! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

They also used a lot of the orginal equipment off from the Massachusetts for replacement on the Iowa's.
Just before they closed the old Quincy shipyards... they tow the Massachusetts up from Fall River and drydocked and refurbished her in the 1990's.

If you ever have the chance stop in Battleship Cove... it's well worth the journy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture110.jpg

BillyTheKid_22
03-09-2007, 02:46 PM
http://www.battleshipcove.org/Assets/Images%20-%20General/News/gallery-news-kit-ss298/news-kit-ss298-color-b.jpg



U.S.S Lionfish ( SS-298 ) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ploughman
03-09-2007, 02:52 PM
So the USS Texas is the only extant Dreadnought type battleship left in the world?

And Warspite got turned into hub-cabs?

Good for Texas, but grrrrrrr.

BillyTheKid_22
03-09-2007, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
So the USS Texas is the only extant Dreadnought type battleship left in the world?

And Warspite got turned into hub-cabs?

Good for Texas, but grrrrrrr.



http://www.usstexasbb35.com/Tiffiny/Tiffiny-USS%20Texas.JPG



http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif USS Texas

woofiedog
03-09-2007, 03:04 PM
BillyTheKid_22... The Torpedo Tubes still have the kill Flags on them.

A few photo's of the Lionfish... I have more, but not loaded in photobucket.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture028.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/EngineRoom.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture052.jpg

BillyTheKid_22
03-09-2007, 03:17 PM
Howdy!!! woofiedog, Thank you, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

ploughman
03-09-2007, 03:21 PM
This is old world neat.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/battleships/maine/old-bbsphil.jpg

BSS_CUDA
03-09-2007, 03:26 PM
Just a sampling from my collection.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/ships/USbb62_pic_90_Ausfirlg.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/ships/USbb63_pic_44_fring.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/ships/016221.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/ships/015623.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/ships/014309.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/CUDA97045/ships/015818.jpg

BillyTheKid_22
03-09-2007, 03:32 PM
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h84000/h84546k.jpg



USS Oklahoma!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/u020000/u023157.jpg

Beaufort-RAF
03-09-2007, 03:50 PM
An interesting one is the Mikasa, a British built Japanese battleship, a veteran of the Battle of Tsushima, the only survivor of it's type.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Battleship_Mikasa.jpg/795px-Battleship_Mikasa.jpg

BillyTheKid_22
03-09-2007, 04:06 PM
http://www.modelshipmaster.com/products/submarines/IctineuII%20replica.jpg



Ictineu II (1867)

Beaufort-RAF
03-09-2007, 04:08 PM
This is a strangely unknown survivor, a cruiser, a veteran of Jutland, which resides in Belfast.

HMS Caroline

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b1/DSCF0144.JPG/800px-DSCF0144.JPG

ploughman
03-09-2007, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Beaufort-RAF:
An interesting one is the Mikasa, a British built Japanese battleship, a veteran of the Battle of Tsushima, the only survivor of it's type.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Battleship_Mikasa.jpg/795px-Battleship_Mikasa.jpg

Wow, I had no idea that ship existed. That really fills a gap. It's not a dreadnought but at least it stands somewhere between Warrior and Belfast.

icrash
03-09-2007, 04:13 PM
Woofie,that's great you can get into one of the turrets. It's a bummer that people tear stuff up and ruin it for everybody. Battleship Cove would put me in the poor house. I have yet to go digital and the bill to develop my film would be huge. (An airshow ran me about $50 to get all of the film processed.)It would be worth it though to be able to walk thru part of history.

BillyTheKid_22
03-09-2007, 04:13 PM
http://dmdiving.nl/images/HMS%20Stubborn%20sub.jpg



HMS Stubborn Submarine

woofiedog
03-09-2007, 10:50 PM
Here is a list of Naval and Maritime Museums in the USA...

Link: http://www.bb62museum.org/usnavmus.html

And also... Naval and Maritime Museums List
International (except USA)

Link: http://www.bb62museum.org/wrldnmus.html

Maritime and Naval Museums in Britain and Ireland

Link: http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/mhe1000/marmus.htm

woofiedog
03-09-2007, 11:05 PM
BillyTheKid_22 BSS_CUDA ... Excellent photo's. Thank's for posting.

icrash... A sign of the times I guess. When I was aboard the destroyer USS Joesph P. Kennedy Jr. one of the museums workers an ex Navy hand was Good enough to let me and my wife into the bridge area for some photo's after talking with him for a while.
One thing though... going up and down those ladders, hatchways and such... isn't as easy as in my Navy days! LoL

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/Picture010.jpg

slackerman3
03-10-2007, 01:38 AM
I just wanted to say I think what they are doing is wrong!!! The sailors that gave their life on the Iowa deserve to be honored and remembered!!! From what I've read they gave a few reasons for not wanting her docked near san francisco. one was because they are against gays, well that has nothing to do wih the Iowa!!! so what if there were a few gay men on the Iowa, even though that was never proven to my knowledge, they were men who were serving this country so we could keep our freedom!!! another suggests it is because of the war in iraq, the Iowa has nothing to do with that, nor would a museum have anything to do with national security, if tha was the case they should shut down all the museums. another is because of the cost, well all i have to say about that is the men that gave there lives on the Iowa, didn't worry about losing their lives to keep us free, they did it willingly!!! I am a navy wife and I also lost a friend on the Iowa! So i'm having a hard time understanding why a city wouldn't want her there!!! I hope one day some city will take her and make her a museum to honor the 47 men who lost their lives on her and to honor all the men who have ever served on her!!! I would love to step aboard her myself and hopefully one day i will be able to!!!

woofiedog
03-10-2007, 06:26 AM
BillyTheKid_22... found a bit of history to the early sub you have pictured.

Ictini II

The first combustion-powered submarine was Ictini II, designed in Spain by Narcís Monturiol. Originally launched in 1864 for human-power, propelled by 16 men,[10] she was converted to 1864 steam and peroxide propulsion in 1867. The 14 meter (46ft)-long craft was designed for a crew of two, dive 30 metres (96 feet), and demonstrated dives of two hours. On the surface it ran on a steam engine, but underwater such an engine would quickly consume the submarine's oxygen, so Monturiol turned to chemistry to invent an engine that ran on a reaction of potassium chlorate, zinc, and manganese peroxide. The beauty of this method was, while it drove the screw, it also released oxygen, which when treated was used in the hull for the crew and also fed an auxiliary steam engine that helped propel the craft under water. In spite of successful demonstrations in the Port of Barcelona, Monturiol was unable to interest the Spanish navy, or the navy of any other country.

Ishmael932
03-10-2007, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by slackerman3:
I just wanted to say I think what they are doing is wrong!!! The sailors that gave their life on the Iowa deserve to be honored and remembered!!! From what I've read they gave a few reasons for not wanting her docked near san francisco. one was because they are against gays, well that has nothing to do wih the Iowa!!! so what if there were a few gay men on the Iowa, even though that was never proven to my knowledge, they were men who were serving this country so we could keep our freedom!!! another suggests it is because of the war in iraq, the Iowa has nothing to do with that, nor would a museum have anything to do with national security, if tha was the case they should shut down all the museums. another is because of the cost, well all i have to say about that is the men that gave there lives on the Iowa, didn't worry about losing their lives to keep us free, they did it willingly!!! I am a navy wife and I also lost a friend on the Iowa! So i'm having a hard time understanding why a city wouldn't want her there!!! I hope one day some city will take her and make her a museum to honor the 47 men who lost their lives on her and to honor all the men who have ever served on her!!! I would love to step aboard her myself and hopefully one day i will be able to!!!

The Iowa won't be going to S.F. it will be going to Vallejo. A subtle distinction to be sure, but a key one. S.F. has always been a haven for weirdos and eccentrics since the days of Emperor Norton I, Emperor of the United States & Protector of Mexico. the problem is that the inmates are running the asylum.

Vallejo, on the other hand, has always been a navy town since the 1850's. Mare Island Naval Shipyard's first Commandant was David Glasgow Farragut, hero of Mobile Bay. It was where USS California(BB-44) was built, the only battleship built on the West Coast. Mare Island is large enough with a deep enough draft to take the Iowa. In 1971, the USS Long Beach, the nuclear cruiser did her last overhaul at Mare Island. Mare Island shipyard is a good fit & I've known families who had worked at the yard from the time it opened to the time it closed, a span of 140 years.

BillyTheKid_22
03-10-2007, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
BillyTheKid_22... found a bit of history to the early sub you have pictured.

Ictini II

The first combustion-powered submarine was Ictini II, designed in Spain by Narcís Monturiol. Originally launched in 1864 for human-power, propelled by 16 men,[10] she was converted to 1864 steam and peroxide propulsion in 1867. The 14 meter (46ft)-long craft was designed for a crew of two, dive 30 metres (96 feet), and demonstrated dives of two hours. On the surface it ran on a steam engine, but underwater such an engine would quickly consume the submarine's oxygen, so Monturiol turned to chemistry to invent an engine that ran on a reaction of potassium chlorate, zinc, and manganese peroxide. The beauty of this method was, while it drove the screw, it also released oxygen, which when treated was used in the hull for the crew and also fed an auxiliary steam engine that helped propel the craft under water. In spite of successful demonstrations in the Port of Barcelona, Monturiol was unable to interest the Spanish navy, or the navy of any other country.



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BillyTheKid_22
03-10-2007, 06:28 PM
http://southoldtown.northfork.net/graphics/NewSuffolk-SS1.jpg



The USSTAB Holland ( SS-1) was the Navy's first commissioned submarine. The Ship deigened in the 1890's by John Holland, an inventor self taught engineer who emigrated from Ireland. The Holland and 6 more submarine were brought to New Suffork for trials and/or overhauling at Holland Torpedo Boat Company.

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Copperhead310th
03-11-2007, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by Monterey13:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
I still think, if it bears a States name and there is a water access, it should be mored at the State its named after.

Heck the Missouri, and the Iowa could manuever the Mississippi River.

The Quad cities in Iowa, and St Louis for the Missouri.

It would be nice for us midwesteners to get something close to home to view instead of a lonely tank or small artilary at the local VFW's

I would like to see them there as well, Toad. I lost a friend when her turret blew up. He was a fellow classmate in one of my Fire Control Schools.

Richard John Lewis Fire Controlman, Seaman Apprentice (FCSA) Northville, MI

A very sad day for all of us.


As deep as those Battleships sit in the water, I don't think they'd make it, unless there is a continuous channel that is deep enough, and doesn't have very sharp turns, allowing them to navigate thru it. I'm not up on the geography of the Mighty Mississippi, and don't know if the bridges, locks,etc... would allow enough to let them through. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well i don't know abut the Missippi River, but the Alabama River is 250-300 feet deep in some places.

Philipscdrw
03-11-2007, 09:13 AM
I wonder...

...simply as a method of delivering large quantities of shells onto a target...

...would it make any sense to build a lightly-armoured ship with the armament of a battleship, with modern engines?

Just basically a floating box with turrets on top.

It would only be effective when naval supremecy is established, but it could be a cheap method of shelling coastal targets, cheaper than aircraft perhaps.

Kurfurst__
03-11-2007, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
So the USS Texas is the only extant Dreadnought type battleship left in the world?

And Warspite got turned into hub-cabs?

Good for Texas, but grrrrrrr.

Turkey had an ex-WW1 Imperial Battlecruiser, the Yavuz (originally it was Goeben I believe). It was on service until the 1970s on so, then some fool broke it up and went to a scrapyard... a genuine WW1 capital ship - and she had quite a story..!

http://battlecruiseryavuz.hypermart.net/images/yavpic1a.JPG
http://battlecruiseryavuz.hypermart.net/


The other I feel sorry for is Spain's Santissima Trinidad (yup, the umpteenth). She was a classic sail-and-woodwork ship-of-the-line, like Victory. She managed to survive up to 1904 or so, then they broke it up. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

goshikisen
03-11-2007, 12:16 PM
The Quad cities in Iowa, and St Louis for the Missouri.


Missouri in Missouri would certainly be nice but it'd be hard to argue that she isn't currently moored in the best possible location. To have 2 ships that symbolize the beginning and the end of WWII located a stones throw away from each other is pretty compelling, historically speaking.