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danjama
03-20-2009, 06:49 PM
Hi guys and gals, for the past few nights i have been trying to find out some specific details regarding which/any USAAF units were forwarded from Britain to either France or Holland or wherever, anytime POST D-Day 1944?

I'm not looking for mission details or loss details, just which unit and when....i hope someone here can help. I have tried google with no luck. I have also scanned through my copy of "The 8th air force in ww2, a history" with no joy. I know these units existed though, and were similar to the 2nd TAF's involvement in this period. Thanks for any help that anyone can give.

danjama
03-20-2009, 06:49 PM
Hi guys and gals, for the past few nights i have been trying to find out some specific details regarding which/any USAAF units were forwarded from Britain to either France or Holland or wherever, anytime POST D-Day 1944?

I'm not looking for mission details or loss details, just which unit and when....i hope someone here can help. I have tried google with no luck. I have also scanned through my copy of "The 8th air force in ww2, a history" with no joy. I know these units existed though, and were similar to the 2nd TAF's involvement in this period. Thanks for any help that anyone can give.

jamesblonde1979
03-20-2009, 07:18 PM
Don't quote me on this but I think that units deployed to the continent were re-designated to the 9th AF command.

ImMoreBetter
03-20-2009, 08:04 PM
I have a book that lists most of, if not all of the B-17 bomb groups.

As far as B-17s go, no bomb group was restationed or formed outside of the UK after June 1944.

A couple were moved from the UK to North Africa in 1942, and a few moved from North Africa into Italy after the September 1943 invasion.

danjama
03-20-2009, 08:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ImMoreBetter:
I have a book that lists most of, if not all of the B-17 bomb groups.

As far as B-17s go, no bomb group was restationed or formed outside of the UK after June 1944.

A couple were moved from the UK to North Africa in 1942, and a few moved from North Africa into Italy after the September 1943 invasion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry mate i should have realised i forgot to say Fighter Groups only http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

So maybe only 9th AF FG units were used on the continent then....ill check that out. Would explain why i cant find anything in my 8th AF history!

Daiichidoku
03-20-2009, 09:12 PM
this may help you DJ:

http://web.archive.org/web/200...//www.web-birds.com/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20070218090815/http://www.web-birds.com/)


click on the particular AF and FG you wish to see about, in the column on left-hand side

is not totally complete list, but pretty good nonetheless

doesnt look like 8th was stationed on the continent though

HerrGraf
03-20-2009, 09:26 PM
Keep in mind guys and gals that the 8th A.F. was a strategic A.F. (Stayed in England.), while the 9th A.F. was the tactical A.F. and stationed on the continent. The 15th A.F. was also strategic and stationed in Italy along with another tactical A.F. (that escaped my memory).

tomtheyak
03-21-2009, 05:56 AM
From wiki -

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">IX Fighter Command (194345)
Direct Reporting Units

* 422d Night Fighter Squadron
RAF Charmy Down, RAF Scorton (P-61)



* 425th Night Fighter Squadron
RAF Charmy Down, RAF Scorton (P-61)

IX Tactical Air Command

Provided tactical air support in support of U.S. First Army.

* 70th Fighter Wing
o 48th Fighter Group - RAF Ibsley (P-47)
o 367th Fighter Group
RAF Stoney Cross, RAF Ibsley (P-38)
o 371st Fighter Group - RAF Bisterne (P-47)
o 474th Fighter Group - RAF Warmwell (P-38)
* 71st Fighter Wing
o 366th Fighter Group
RAF Membury, RAF Thruxton (P-47)
o 368th Fighter Group
RAF Greenham Common, RAF Chilbolton (P-47)
o 370th Fighter Group - RAF Andover (P-38)



* 84th Fighter Wing
o 50th Fighter Group - RAF Lymington (P-47)
o 365th Fighter Group
RAF Gosfield, RAF Beaulieu (P-47)
o 404th Fighter Group - RAF Winkton (P-47)
o 405th Fighter Group - RAF Christchurch (P-47)

* Direct Reporting Unit
o 67th Reconnaissance Group
RAF Membury, RAF Middle Wallop (P-51/P-38)

Note: 71st Fighter Wing and subordinate groups transferred to IX Air Defense Command in September 1944, providing air defense for areas behind the advancing ground forces.
XIX Tactical Air Command)

Provided tactical air support in support of U.S. Third Army.

* 100th Fighter Wing
o 354th Fighter Group
RAF Greenham Common, RAF Boxted, RAF Lashenden (P-51)
o 358th Fighter Group
(xferd from Eighth Air Force, February 1, 1944)
RAF Raydon, RAF High Halden (P-47)
o 362nd Fighter Group
RAF Wormingford, RAF Headcorn (P-47)
o 363rd Fighter Group
RAF Keevil, RAF Rivenhall, RAF Staplehurst (P-51)



* 303d Fighter Wing
o 36th Fighter Group - RAF Kingsnorth (P-47)
o 373rd Fighter Group - RAF Woodchurch (P-47)
o 406th Fighter Group - RAF Ashford (P-47)

* Direct Reporting Unit
o 10th Reconnaissance Group - RAF Chalgrove (P-51/P-38)

Note: 303d Fighter Wing and subordinate groups transferred to XXIX Tactical Air Command on September 15, 1944.
XXIX Tactical Air Command
(Activated September 15, 1944)

Provided tactical air support in support of U.S. Ninth Army.

* 303d Fighter Wing
o 36th Fighter Group - A-76 Athis, France (P-47)
o 373d Fighter Group - A-62D Reims, France (P-47)
o 406th Fighter Group - A-80 Mourmelon-le-Grand, France (P-47)

* 363rd Reconnaissance Group - A-35 Le Mans, France (F-5/F-6)

Note: XXIX TAC established in France and initial activation Advanced Landing Ground shown for units assigned to command.

IX Fighter Command was headquartered at Middle Wallop, England, November 30, 1943 July 1944; Les Obeaux, France, July 1944; Canisy, France, August 1944; Charleroi, Belgium, September 1944; Verviers, Belgium, October 1944; Bruhl, Germany, March 1945; Welmar, Germany, April 1945; Fritzlar, Germany, July 1945, and Erlangen, Germany, September 1945.

It was inactivated on November 20, 1945.
IX Troop Carrier Command (194345)
All Groups flew C-47/C-53 Aircraft, except as noted.

* 50th Troop Carrier Wing
o 439th Troop Carrier Group
RAF Balderton, RAF Upottery
o 440th Troop Carrier Group
RAF Bottesford, RAF Exeter
o 441st Troop Carrier Group
RAF Langar, RAF Merryfield
o 442nd Troop Carrier Group
RAF Fulbeck, RAF Weston Zoyland

* 52nd Troop Carrier Wing (C-47/C-53/C-46)
o 61st Troop Carrier Group - RAF Barkston Heath
o 313th Troop Carrier Group - RAF Folkingham
o 314th Troop Carrier Group - RAF Saltby
o 315th Troop Carrier Group
RAF Aldermaston, RAF Welford, RAF Spanhoe
o 316th Troop Carrier Group - RAF Cottesmore
o 349th Troop Carrier Group - RAF Barkston Heath



* 53rd Troop Carrier Wing
o 434th Troop Carrier Group
RAF Fulbeck, RAF Welford, RAF Aldermaston
o 435th Troop Carrier Group
RAF Langar, RAF Welford
o 436th Troop Carrier Group
RAF Bottesford, RAF Membury
o 437th Troop Carrier Group
RAF Balderton, RAF Ramsbury
o 438th Troop Carrier Group
RAF Langar, RAF Greenham Common

* Direct Reporting Unit
o IX Troop Carrier Pathfinder Group (Provisional),
RAF Cottesmore, RAF North Witham, RAF Chalgrove

Notes:

* Entirety of IX Troop Carrier Command was transferred to First Allied Airborne Army August 2, 1944.
* Deliveries of Curtiss C-46 Commando began to all 52d Troop Carrier Wing groups in March 1945, however only used by 349th Troop Carrier Group in combat during Operation Varsity, March 24, 1945. High attrition rate during operation led to withdrawal from combat afterwards and aircraft deemed too vulnerable for further combat assignments.

IX Troop Carrier Command was headquartered at Cottesmore, England, October 16, 1943; Grantham, England, December 1, 1943; Ascot, England, September 20, 1944 September 5, 1945. It returned to the United States and was headquartered at Stout AAF Indiana on September 5, 1945.

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The vast majority of the bomber, recon and fighter units moved over to the continent after the invasion.

Aside from that two units of the 8thAF did go to Belgium in December 1944 - the 352nd FG and 361st temporarily moved to fields in Belgium to help support the Bastogne encirclement. They returned to their UK bases in march 1945 iirc.

danjama
03-21-2009, 06:40 AM
Thanks alot guys! Tom thats exactly what i needed now i can do my own research into these units http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And Daiichi that link you gave me is invaluable as well! I have already seen a number of units on there that flew from areas in France and Belgium http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Now the fun part. I'm gonna go into town and look for some books with details.

Thanks again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Persecutor_352
03-21-2009, 04:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
Thanks alot guys! Tom thats exactly what i needed now i can do my own research into these units http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And Daiichi that link you gave me is invaluable as well! I have already seen a number of units on there that flew from areas in France and Belgium http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Now the fun part. I'm gonna go into town and look for some books with details.

Thanks again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you can find a copy, "The Blue Nosed Bastards of Bodney" by Thomas G. Ivie, Robert H. "Punchy" Powell, and Sam Sox (2000), Fine Books Publishing Company, Charlotte, NC, which is now out of print, is an extraordinary resource describing the 352nd Fighter Group. "George Preddy, Top Mustang Ace" by Joe Noah, 1991, is also a good resource. Preddy was killed on December 25, 1944 near Liege, Belgium. Also, "I was a P-51 Fighter Pilot in WWII" by James Neel White (2003), iUniverse. Inc. contains information you might find useful. Also still available in print is "Bluenoser Tales, a compilation of 352nd Fighter Group war stories", by Marc Hamel, Robert H. "Punchy" Powell, and Samuel Sox (2007), United Writers Press.

The 352nd Fighter Group relocated from Bodney, England to Y-29, near Asch, Belgium on December 23, 1944. The famous Y-29 battle during Operation Bodenplatte occurred on January 1, 1945. The Group returned to Bodney April 5, 1945, although it took several days for the entire Fighter Group to depart Y-29. This information is all from "The Blue Nosed Bastards of Bodney", although it is also available from many other sources.

danjama
03-21-2009, 10:39 PM
Cheers mate, i have seen many books on sale on the Blue Nosed Bastards of Bodney before! I think i was very close to buying one at Duxford last year at the trade stands, i wish i did now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

tomtheyak
03-22-2009, 12:52 PM
Just as a slight 'you might like to know' I live a few miles from Headcorn areodrome, (then Lashenden)and home of the 354th FG - yes that's right the Pioneer Mustang Group! - and also fly model a/c from a site near Egerton (known then as Headcorn) home of the 362nd FG, a Jug outfit. Many of the 9th AF units flew from Advanced Landing Grounds in Southern and SE England. 2nd TAF units too.

danjama
03-23-2009, 06:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomtheyak:
Just as a slight 'you might like to know' I live a few miles from Headcorn areodrome, (then Lashenden)and home of the 354th FG - yes that's right the Pioneer Mustang Group! - and also fly model a/c from a site near Egerton (known then as Headcorn) home of the 362nd FG, a Jug outfit. Many of the 9th AF units flew from Advanced Landing Grounds in Southern and SE England. 2nd TAF units too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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