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raaaid
06-11-2006, 11:42 AM
imagine you have one grain of dust at a presure of 1 atmosphere and you take it somewhere into space where the presure is 0

the presure would never be 0 within the grain because as it doubles size with time it halfs presure

so the volume of the grain goes from 1 mm^3 to 2,4 ,8,16,32,64 as the presure goes to 0.5,0.25,0.125...

taking into account that vacuum space in concept is infinite matter tends to shape galaxies propelled by the infinite force of vacuum

i get this ideas turning on spirals with three or 4 foes behind me

jimDG
06-11-2006, 11:47 AM
makes you wish you never took the blue pill, huh..

DuxCorvan
06-11-2006, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:
i get this ideas turning on spirals with three or 4 foes behind me

Virtually, or in real life? Motion sickness can affect your brain, stop making spirals. Unless those 4 foes after you are armed with sticks and knives -though I understand their reasons.

Clan_Graham
06-11-2006, 11:58 AM
Speaking of a grain of dust.........what's your I.Q.?

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JG53Hunter
06-11-2006, 12:05 PM
And as we all know Vacuum has no force http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WWMaxGunz
06-11-2006, 12:09 PM
A grain of dust is not a balloon and certainly not an idealized zero mass, infinitely
stretchable balloon.

Vaccuum has no force and ice cream has no bones.

If the bottom of a standing ladder slides out on the floor it will not reach infinite speed
at the time of impact since real ladders have mass and friction.

You've strained your brain and are ready to believe in magic or something close to it.

slipBall
06-11-2006, 12:14 PM
Prof Frink wants to do a double blind on your theory. He's thinking this is possible
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/CAU49CKM.jpg

Capt.LoneRanger
06-11-2006, 12:31 PM
LOOOOOOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

That is the best misconcept you ever posted here and you had a lot of those ideas.

What you say in other terms: Put a spoon of suggar in a coup of tea and put it in the open sea. By the force of diffusion (replacing the atmospheric pressure difference) the sugar will expand through the whole ocean, shaping a suggar-sea.

Just because atoms will get scattered doesn't mean the'll increase in mass or volume. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

stathem
06-11-2006, 12:39 PM
And, er, space isn't a perfect vacuum..

Jatro13th
06-11-2006, 12:52 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Fox_3
06-11-2006, 12:53 PM
[IMG]

Dew-Claw
06-11-2006, 12:56 PM
And, er, space isn't a perfect vacuum..
Maybe not, but in this thread there must be...
something seems to be sucking the IQ right outta my head.

LStarosta
06-11-2006, 01:12 PM
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/positive6.jpg

Hashmark13
06-11-2006, 01:18 PM
I think he's just setting up these rediculous propositions for us to debunk. He's testing us for intelligence http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

slipBall
06-11-2006, 02:34 PM
You have to give him some credit for wondering about possibilities. He's using his brain alot more than I do. I find myself thinking about women, beer, eating, taking a nap. Not necessarily in that order http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
06-11-2006, 02:57 PM
That was, what Newton did, when he was hit by the legendary apple, slipBall http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

ploughman
06-11-2006, 03:02 PM
Ith it me or doth this remind youth of Zeno's paradoxes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno)

raaaid
06-11-2006, 03:37 PM
the flaw of my idea is that matter doesnt expand but if all matter expanded at the same rate you wouldnt notice that expansion

the point of my idea is that vacuum is infinite and if you have a spot with high presure it will expand forever for the infinity of nothingness

SPLASH_1
06-11-2006, 03:46 PM
As with all cereal grains, each kernel of popcorn contains a certain amount of moisture in its starchy endosperm. Unlike most other grains, the outer hull, or pericarp, of the popcorn kernel is thick and impervious to moisture.

As the kernel is heated past the boiling point, water in the kernel begins to turn to steam, generating an internal pressure of about 9 ATM. In kernels of other grains (and in damaged kernels of popcorn), this steam escapes as fast as it forms, but in the tightly sealed kernel, the steam is held tight by the pericarp and the pressure starts to build until the pericarp suddenly ruptures, causing a small explosion. The force of the explosion turns the kernel inside out. More importantly, because the moisture is evenly distributed throughout the starchy endosperm, the sudden expansion turns the endosperm into an airy foam which gives popcorn its unique texture

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Popcorn02.jpg/250px-Popcorn02.jpg

slipBall
06-11-2006, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
That was, what Newton did, when he was hit by the legendary apple, slipBall http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

What did Newton do after the apple hit?,
woman, beer, food, nap http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif all

x6BL_Brando
06-11-2006, 04:04 PM
Wow! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

If I ever needed an excuse to never roll the Dyson around the living-room again this is it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif Thank you Raaaid!

You have my eternal gratitude - and the equally eternal enmity of my wife. Not sure whether that's a good deal, but that's the risk you take as a visionary http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,

B.

bazzaah2
06-11-2006, 04:05 PM
Raaid

You should read the Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien.

He puts forward some interesting ideas, many of which I think will help you.

Walrus-
06-11-2006, 04:40 PM
I thought you might be talking about THIS kind of magic dust:

'Smart Dust' stalked Zarqawi (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htecm/articles/20060610.aspx)

SeaFireLIV
06-11-2006, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by bazzaah2:
Raaid

You should read the Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien.

He puts forward some interesting ideas, many of which I think will help you.

Please don`t you`ll give him even more weird ideas...

And yes, I tried to resist posting in this thread. I tried.

Capt.LoneRanger
06-11-2006, 05:05 PM
SeaFireLIV, no worries you couldn't resist. It's just too tempting and each time I did post in one of his threads, I realize he probably sits in front of his screen and laughes is a** off. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

WWMaxGunz
06-11-2006, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by Walrus-:
I thought you might be talking about THIS kind of magic dust:

'Smart Dust' stalked Zarqawi (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htecm/articles/20060610.aspx)

The dust is smarter than the people pushing that article.
Sprinkle some on Zarq's clothes and you can track... his clothes.
Get that close and you could infect him with something that would take him and his associates
out but then it's more fun to think of tracking his clothes. And we all know they don't bathe
or change --- at least if we're neocons.

Charos
06-11-2006, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by JG53Hunter:
And as we all know Vacuum has no force http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Are you shore about that?

Casimer effect (http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/15/9/6)
You would do well to read a little more on Quantum Electrodynamics and Zero point fluctuations, and reconsider your stance after that.

drose01
06-12-2006, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Walrus-:
I thought you might be talking about THIS kind of magic dust:

'Smart Dust' stalked Zarqawi (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htecm/articles/20060610.aspx)

The dust is smarter than the people pushing that article.
Sprinkle some on Zarq's clothes and you can track... his clothes.
Get that close and you could infect him with something that would take him and his associates
out but then it's more fun to think of tracking his clothes. And we all know they don't bathe
or change --- at least if we're neocons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

CRSutton
06-12-2006, 08:09 AM
Instead of a grain of dust as a test item. Could we use a breast instead. Come on, admit it, that is what we are all thinking anyway...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

bazzaah2
06-12-2006, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bazzaah2:
Raaid

You should read the Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien.

He puts forward some interesting ideas, many of which I think will help you.

Please don`t you`ll give him even more weird ideas...

And yes, I tried to resist posting in this thread. I tried. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, bicycles are very important.

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-12-2006, 10:47 AM
Horton says..."boil that freakin' dust speck!"

FluffyDucks
06-12-2006, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by bazzaah2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bazzaah2:
Raaid

You should read the Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien.

He puts forward some interesting ideas, many of which I think will help you.

Please don`t you`ll give him even more weird ideas...

And yes, I tried to resist posting in this thread. I tried. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, bicycles are very important. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Guys Ive just had a little thought, maybe, just maybe Raaid is none other than the great De Selby in person http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

FluffyDucks
06-12-2006, 11:28 AM
De Selby...oops I mean Raaid, familiar with this are you??
I think we may have unmasked the great savant himself!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

http://www.rocknroll.force9.co.uk/science/savant.html

bazzaah2
06-12-2006, 01:08 PM
i've been waiting for the great man to expand for an expectant audience how it is sooty accretions cause night but I feel we may have blown his cover. Damn.

WWSensei
06-12-2006, 01:27 PM
Two flaws in the theory, both substantial.

Vacuum is not a force. You'v emade that argument before. Vacuum, by definition is a lack of force. It's also not infinite, but that's another discussion.

Second, assumming your piece of matter had pressure inside of it and the ability to expand it will only expand to the point that the equal, constant pressure overcomes the matter's ability to stretch. I don't recall exactly but I believe it is subject to the inverse square law so that every time you would double the zie the pressure would be decreaed 4 fold...you soon reach equilibrium.

You can't just negate out the material you are stretching. If your experiment needs to start with the "First, a miracle occurs" then you aren't discovering anything new you are just playing make believe and wasting time.

Charos
06-12-2006, 05:56 PM
A vacuum in a pure sense is unachievable.

In reality vacuated space even at absolute zero (Zero Kelvin) still is not empty.

what is left is known as the Zero Point Flux or the Quantum Foam this Energy comes into our 3D space time from other dimension/dimensions.

The ZPE could potentially be orders of magnitude greater than what can be released via nuclear processes.

Normally the ZPE is Ubiquitous and in general homogeneous, the only outward appearance is of the quantum Foam.

Trying to tap this Energy in a meaningful way is called Zero Point Engineering, The Casimer affect mentioned earlier is a method utilised to translate the scaler ZPE into a vector quantity in order to extract useful work from it.

The jiggle of the Quantum foam is caused by minute imbalances in the ZPE this is seen by the foam as a temporal chaotic force .

A vacuum is far from nothing.

---------------------------------

Here are some words from a Sage.

THE TAO TEH CHING
Lao Tse (Circa 6th Century B.C.)

There was something undefined and complete, coming into
existence before Heaven and Earth. How still it was and formless,
standing alone, and undergoing no change, reaching everywhere and in
no danger (of being exhausted)! It may be regarded as the Mother of
all things.

I do not know its name, and I give it the designation of the Tao
(the Way or Course). Making an effort (further) to give it a name I
call it The Great.

WWMaxGunz
06-12-2006, 07:28 PM
If an idea can support a lifestyle then does that make it real?

JamesBlonde888
06-12-2006, 07:33 PM
If you have a dust problem then kick your groundcrew's asses. Nothing worse than a schnoz full of dust when you head for the deck eh chaps... what?

raaaid
06-13-2006, 06:39 AM
sensei is right if a miracle is needed in a theory it is worhtless

but i have a lot of interest in the concept of 0 and some interest answers have come out: casimir effect, frequency of vacuum,other dimensions

my idea of a grain of dust becoming a galaxy came from reading the little prince(great read for anybody interested in planes), metaforically this books tells that each soul is a planet where it lives and returns after death

i feel very unconfortable thinking on the existence of bad people who ruin the world, not only because they do harm but also because i feel great being a good person and i know they feel bad being bad(ive heard bad people talking about this)

so then being good im a litle sun and others being bad are nothing but asteroids, well this is unfair, thats why i think with time a bad person turns to good and goes from an asteroid to a tiny sun or even a black hole, other wise nature would be a damn clasist, heres the read:

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince/introduction.html

for example im sure hitler as a kid would have had despised his own ideas of murdering people and would be very nice(he was destroyed with his mothers death) which proves in a way he dispised himself, the thing is that i feel sorry for the poor bastard, although not as much as for his victims

SeaFireLIV
06-13-2006, 07:15 AM
There is good and there is being too good.

What i mean by being too good, is that one can take upon all the problems ie, bad people, bad things upon their own shoulders and try to somehow solve it all or make it all better by themselves.

It`s not nice that there are bad people in the world, and there are some really bad, tormented people who can only be put down. they`ll always be someone who hates someone for no reason and do bad things to others for no reason.

You`ll just go crazy if you try to take upon all the faults of the world upon your own shoulders.

It`ll drive a good guy crazy.

Just deal with local life and situation as best you can. I`m probably saying all this too late anyway.