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Fish6891
11-22-2004, 11:30 PM
I'm not sure if just my noob instincts barring me from something or what, but 2/3 times when I've got my enemy pinned down his buddies tend to come out of nowhere, even when we are in the middle of nowhere, or sometimes he'll get me to chase him a bit and sort of leads me to his buddies, and outnumbered I end up having to dive and escape. Its like he releases some sort of spore that attracts all of his teamates to him, it just seems so coordinated, I know I'm missing something. I would figure that its teamchat but no one ever types anything into my teamchat so I figure that neither are they, and besides that they sometimes seem too coordinated to even be using that. I usually play on Warclouds PF, whats goin on, is it that I'm separating from my teamates too much? Is it because of my noobiness? Is its because I'm a FISH???? Cause if it is.......

Regards,
Fish

Fish6891
11-22-2004, 11:30 PM
I'm not sure if just my noob instincts barring me from something or what, but 2/3 times when I've got my enemy pinned down his buddies tend to come out of nowhere, even when we are in the middle of nowhere, or sometimes he'll get me to chase him a bit and sort of leads me to his buddies, and outnumbered I end up having to dive and escape. Its like he releases some sort of spore that attracts all of his teamates to him, it just seems so coordinated, I know I'm missing something. I would figure that its teamchat but no one ever types anything into my teamchat so I figure that neither are they, and besides that they sometimes seem too coordinated to even be using that. I usually play on Warclouds PF, whats goin on, is it that I'm separating from my teamates too much? Is it because of my noobiness? Is its because I'm a FISH???? Cause if it is.......

Regards,
Fish

Kannaksen_hanu
11-22-2004, 11:45 PM
Its because everyone sees when long bursts are fired; so people come to hunt for kill.

Usually if I dont kill my opponent at my first burst; "fellow" pilots come to shoot the same opponent ramming me so badly I have to pull out from the fight to avoid being killed by pilot of my side who blindly just shoots the opponent and doesnt care about that 1)I was there first, 2) I'm still on his tail without problems. Then I cannot care less what happens to that greedy pilot.

What I would like to see more is HELP from others. When I arrive to site of a dogfight, I stay and circle above the fight, when the fight goes poorly for my teammate, I dive in and intervene OR if the match takes a long long time I ASK via teamchat "do you mind if I try to shoot him too"

Fish6891
11-23-2004, 12:37 AM
I dunno, they seem REALLY coordinated at times, and besides that it happens even when I've not yet opened fire. I'm telling you, I bet it has something to do with my fishy-ness, won't you just please confirm that?!

drose01
11-23-2004, 12:55 AM
Listen to this story about teamwork- in an online game, a few guys joined at the same time, 2 on one side and 1 on another.

They were chatting with eachother and were obviously friends, and obviously played alot.

One guy was quite good, did alot of damage. Finally I got on his 6 and he couldnt shake me.
As I chased him up and down, and was closing for the kill from very close range, suddenly his buddy WHO WAS ON MY TEAM shot me down from behind!!!

That just pissed me off to no end...

SeaFireLIV
11-23-2004, 01:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fish6891:
I usually play on Warclouds PF, whats goin on, is it that I'm separating from my teamates too much? Is it because of my noobiness? Is its because I'm a FISH???? Cause if it is.......

Regards,
Fish <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They`re using Teamspeak, or Roger wilco. Essential for good teamworkers. Makes life hard for even experienced flyers faced with that kind of teamwork, let alone noobs who are lambs to the slaughter under those situations.

There is also a Warclouds Teamspeak server I think. Join it and work together with your side. Or find a friend and use TS with him. A wingman friendly is ESSENTIAL to help watch your back. If you have really good wingmen that you know it IS possible to take down others even if they are on comms, but you do need to be fairly experienced.

Being a fish probably doesn`t help when surrounded by sharks....

Copperhead310th
11-23-2004, 01:59 AM
Fish we're regulars on Warclouds. we are even the officail sponsors of Warclouds PF. Trust me you do not want to go on there by your self lone wolfing it. just won't work.
the new guys don't know about teamspeak on war clouds. and for that reason Warclouds is sometimes what you might consider a "very target rich enviorment".
War-Clouds keeps up a dam good voice coms server. DL the TS2 client here: TS2 Download Link (ftp://ftp.freenet.de/pub/4players/teamspeak.org/releases/ts2_client_rc2_2032.exe)

Get that up & installed and get on the R/T next time your on WC. you'll find it a lot more fun and not half as fustraighting.
here's warclouds home page. drop by there as well. War Clouds Site. (http://www.war-clouds.net)

Some one from the 310th FS or one of our other 2 squadrons is usually on there every nite of the week....if you need any help with anything just grab one of my guys and tell em i sent yas. they'll be glad to help in any way they can. Like wise if i can be of any service just shoot me off an email @ copperhead@310thvfs.com

Warclouds IMO is one of the best servers for this sim anywhere. and it will get better after the dedicated patch comes out. Biggest thing is if your not on TS find a fellow teammate and if nothing else just follow him around like a lost puppy and fly his wing. most of the players (regulars anyway) on WC will try and help a teammate when they can. teamplay is a really big part of this sim and most ppl fly on WC just for that very reason. because Sparx encouages teamwork. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gifAnyway hope that helps. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gifS!~

WOLFMondo
11-23-2004, 02:03 AM
TS makes a world of difference. I've used it on warclouds a couple of times recently to great effect with other players. I wished everyone used it.

Megile - if you read this, the other day when we were up at 10k fighting in Jugs I never realised you were in TS lol...would have made life allot easier than typing in the chat.

Copperhead310th
11-23-2004, 02:05 AM
lol oh and Fish ar A OK in my book.

It's just them dam Possums i don't like. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

269GA-Maxmars
11-23-2004, 02:10 AM
Unfortunately not many people use TS while playing on dogfight servers.. I urge anyone going to play on Warclouds, BajaMaja, etc to go into TS when you join the server, and stay there even if you don't see anyone else (it won't consume bandwidth).. sooner or later someone else will come up and then you can have teamwork.

Also, it is good etiquette to greet when you join, so that other people know you're there. A couple of times I noticed, leaving the server, that I was not alone as I thought. The guy tha's already in the TS server can't see you when you join (other than hearing a generic "new user" that could be a lone wandering person going to check who's there).

MEGILE
11-23-2004, 04:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:


Megile - if you read this, the other day when we were up at 10k fighting in Jugs I never realised you were in TS lol...would have made life allot easier than typing in the chat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hehe I didn't know you were on there? hmm.. were you that limey dude?
I remember a lot of yanks, and one limey. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
11-23-2004, 07:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Megile:
...were you that limey dude?
I remember a lot of yanks, and one limey. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Diablo310th
11-23-2004, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fish6891:
I usually play on Warclouds PF, whats goin on, is it that I'm separating from my teamates too much? Is it because of my noobiness? Is its because I'm a FISH???? Cause if it is.......

Regards,
Fish <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They`re using Teamspeak, or Roger wilco. Essential for good teamworkers. Makes life hard for even experienced flyers faced with that kind of teamwork, let alone noobs who are lambs to the slaughter under those situations.

There is also a Warclouds Teamspeak server I think. Join it and work together with your side. Or find a friend and use TS with him. A wingman friendly is ESSENTIAL to help watch your back. If you have really good wingmen that you know it IS possible to take down others even if they are on comms, but you do need to be fairly experienced.

Being a fish probably doesn`t help when surrounded by sharks.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SeaFire..I couldn't have said it better. @Fish...more than likely this is exactly waht is happening. I can tell you for sure that several of us on WarClouds Red use the TS channel and have been flying together a long time now. We have learned to work togethr and cover and protect each other well. Several on the Blue side are teh same way. Join the TS channel on your side and you will see the benifits.

WOLFMondo
11-23-2004, 07:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:


Megile - if you read this, the other day when we were up at 10k fighting in Jugs I never realised you were in TS lol...would have made life allot easier than typing in the chat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hehe I didn't know you were on there? hmm.. were you that limey dude?
I remember a lot of yanks, and one limey. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

MEGILE
11-23-2004, 08:14 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Next time my ears detect a rather nasal voice, with lengthened vowles, I will look around for you!

ps. I am a limey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-23-2004, 08:14 AM
Just a point of interest really but myself and a squadie re-activated the ingame voice chat for a laugh and it seems to have improved some from the old days . Funnily enough we used it along side team speak with out any noticable problems also. It isnt team speak but its there if you want it.

P.s you enable it using the game set up application. Just select the sound tab and check the voice chatter box

Atomic_Marten
11-23-2004, 08:38 AM
I will tell you some of my views of online play..

If you fly 'alone', in my experience there is few possible scenarios;
1-you lurk around and find no one and give up eventually when you realize that you encounter enemy every ~30min or so;
2-enemy spot you first; they will shot you down because usually they fly in pairs or bigger groups, so they really have to be natural born true n00bs to not end up battle in their favour
3-you spotted enemy first; and position yourself for attack, you shot a few burst pull up to save your advantage - suddenly few your squadmates appeared and shot down damaged boogies..

4-of course, there is always 'super-talented' Hartmanns around like one I encounter some time ago; I rammed him (in BnZ due to lag I have encountered - game hangs up for moment) both of us crashed (he was on enemy side) - his next chat line was : "learn to fly". Yet it is needlessly to say that his score in that moment was -150, clearly indicating that in his eager wish to shot down enemy he eventually shot down his squadm8. True virtuall Hartmann.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

So if I learn anything from online play, that is that I:
1-fly with ppl which I know from b4, and they have common courtesy.
2-fly on 'real' servers, where are some kind of goals to be achieved and with historical planeset.
That's about it..

LilHorse
11-23-2004, 08:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
Just a point of interest really but myself and a squadie re-activated the ingame voice chat for a laugh and it seems to have improved some from the old days . Funnily enough we used it along side team speak with out any noticable problems also. It isnt team speak but its there if you want it.

P.s you enable it using the game set up application. Just select the sound tab and check the voice chatter box <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm glad Balrog brought this up because if you do decide to use Teamspeak or some other 3rd party voice comms you must disable the in-game voice comms. Do it in the section described by Balrog above. It's just the main toggle switch switched to the down position.

tora-2
11-23-2004, 11:10 AM
I must admit my experience of servers where there is team work going on differs from the above slightly.

Admitted you are more vulnerable but you can still participate, you'll still be welcome and for many roles you aren't that much worse off.

If you meet two players working closely as a unit , you are going to be in trouble , but thats part of the point of playing surely.
After all , if you get low and slow in a P-47 you are in trouble, if you chase an enemy too closely the same applies etc etc. The situation , and the odds you are facing are half the fun.

Whether on Team speak , or a member of a squad or whatever , the likes of Warclouds is still fun in my view.

ZG77_Lignite
11-23-2004, 11:59 AM
'Radios' (ventrillo, teamspeak, Roger Wilco etc) are all very nice, but don't forget another very important communicator, your Eyes (MkI). I don't use the voice coms in Dogfights (and usually just recieve in squad coops) because I don't have enough bandwidth to spare, but I can still function reasonably well as a team mate.

When you see friendlies, follow them! When they attack, you attack. When they retreat, You retreat! In short, 'Monkey See, Monkey Do'. If your team is all within visual range, the 'drag&bag' as well as other team work functions come quite natural, even with zero or minimal communication.

Udidtoo
11-23-2004, 12:07 PM
I saw the words Teamwork and Online in the same sentance and thought it was a joke thread. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

If its a coop then yes, if your flying with a buddy, yes, IF you rely on someone because its the same "team" ah hahhahahah hahahahahahah

Many will intentionally let you die to set themselves up for the kill. I've seen more teamwork in a COD Team deathmatch than on most DF servers

Yum_Yum
11-23-2004, 12:47 PM
Hello Fish6981 (and Megile)http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

hope this may help you in some way.

I also use the War_Clouds PF server, and I am always on my own http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

If you make any attack a nearby enemy will see your shooting from far away and move towards it.

It is difficult to see the red 50's of the American Planes, while the Japanese yellow shooting is easier to spot.

To help reduce being seen you should shoot quickly and move away to a safe distance, if friendly players attack the same plane it will be they who tangle with the newly arrived enemy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

If you fly over water you appear as a white dot to any planes above you and are easier to see form further away.

If the AAA are shooting at you they point to you like a finger made of fairey lights moving through the sky, so the enemy player knows where you are.

I find it is easier to see planes which are parralle or above you, and it is more difficult to see those below.

I am able to spot the enemy by watching for signs of shooting, which is easier to see below me and more difficult to see above.

It is easier to move away from the fighting when you are winning, if you try to move away when you are loseing then you may already too late http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

If I see any shooting I always make others aware by saying "shooting in I16", and always repot when I am retuning to my base.
Someone may seen and move to the area or even assist me when I am leaving it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, also I mention the altitude at which the main fighting is taking place to help arriving players to get in the best position.

I only use chat to communicate because I have no sound, the bad side is that some messages come and go too quickly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

Hope to see you online soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

CYA!

TheGozr
11-23-2004, 01:26 PM
yum yum hope to see you there.
here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/il2/index.php?c=6)

Yum_Yum
11-23-2004, 02:01 PM
Hello TheGozr http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I visited your place but was unable to make posts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I get "page cannot be displayed" sign but I wll visit again soon.

CYA!

Fish6891
11-23-2004, 03:33 PM
OOOOOOOOOOO I SEE http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif! Voice comms, no wonder, I'll probably try it out soon, hopefully fish can use it too &gt;-))))*&gt;. Wow that'd be great tho! Usually I either have to get my foe by surprise or shoot him down in the beginning of the fight, otherwise more more yank and brit planes show up to crash the party, and often I end up having to make an escape (No prob with the Dora), but to be just as coordinated as they've been with me...the tables will turn! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Posted by SeaFireIV
"Being a fish probably doesn`t help when surrounded by sharks...."

Fish travel in schools in order to disorient and counder shark attacks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
11-23-2004, 07:17 PM
S~ Fish6981,

You can bet your paycheck that those guys you were talking about were on the Teamspeak server. At any given time, there is typically +50% of the players on the server using the TS server. They fly together and do very well at covering each others six. Don't listen to the nay sayers that think that teamwork and DF servers do not go hand in hand, because they are wrong. I invite any of them to hop on the TS server and see just how coordinated these guys get.

I remember one night I logged into the TS server and hopped in the red channel. I started hearing, "ok, P51 you are clear for takeoff and P38 you are next." So i listened for a few more minutes. Well it turned out that there were 10 guys trying to all take off one of the single strip runways and in the mission before, they were all running into each other. So one guy took off and was play ATC over the base to get everyone off the ground safe. Thought that was a pretty good piece of teamwork there myself.

Don't get me wrong, flying without being on teamspeak can be done and done well. I have seen many a players on the server not using the voice comms and doing very well. They just use visualy cues as one of the posters above mentioned. But being on the TS server surely does help. Its alot easier to say "i got 2 190s on my six and i am in Alpha 5-2" then to try and type that out while at the same time trying to evade. And you can bet if you call that out in the TS server, guys will fall over themselves to come give you a hand.

S~

SPaRX

www.war-clouds.net (http://www.war-clouds.net)

SilverWings25th
11-23-2004, 11:02 PM
Teamwork? That's all we tend to know.

We can take on 6 with 2 on a coordinated flight and usually down all 6.
Thats how well you can get.
All you need is to join a squadron, and learn to coordinate with comms.
This is simulated real world tactics.

http://www.VFA25.com Go Fists :-)

http://www.VFA25.com/sw/vfaspirit.jpg


Did I mention we are also very considering of our foe?

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TugZooey
11-24-2004, 09:01 AM
szzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

you got a tight line, fish http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

JG52MadAdler
11-24-2004, 11:15 AM
If you see more than one set of players
with JG52,JG54 or 25th in there names you can
bet your @ss there on coms and coodinating there attacks. We use Ventrillo.
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