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mandrill7
05-25-2007, 08:24 PM
Volume IV available at the end of 2007. Link:

http://www.eagle-editions.com/BCRS4.HTM

DKoor
05-25-2007, 08:37 PM
RoFL...... I wonder how much are they gonna charge this one...
I better start to save now, and I don't even need my car that badly so I guess I could work something out to obtain all books from that series http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Nice book, nice series just....

Bewolf
05-26-2007, 02:56 AM
Eh, I don't know. I have the first two volumes and do not get me wrong, excellent stuff. But that new publisher for some reason just does not do it for me.

leitmotiv
05-26-2007, 03:27 AM
Thanks, got it.

MadBadVlad
05-26-2007, 05:37 AM
Time to remortgage the house again then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

mandrill7
05-26-2007, 06:17 AM
I was a little shocked by the price hike last time as well. But when you figure the amount of original research that has to go into the books and the limited audience, the price is probably justified.

La7_brook
05-26-2007, 04:02 PM
vol 3 is way better then the last one , much better lay out etc , really looking forward too vol 4 going into 43 with the new 190,s hitting the seen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

La7_brook
05-26-2007, 04:05 PM
this will be getting per ordered http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://www.bergstrombooks.elknet.pl/kurskbook.htm

mandrill7
05-26-2007, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by La7_brook:
vol 3 is way better then the last one , much better lay out etc , really looking forward too vol 4 going into 43 with the new 190,s hitting the seen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Luftwhiners! I'm looking forward to 1943 just so the VVS doesn't get annihilated in every %$&*^ battle, like it did in 41 and 42!

jensenpark
05-26-2007, 05:30 PM
I don't mind the high price. My two kids don't need to eat this month.

DKoor
05-26-2007, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by mandrill7:
I was a little shocked by the price hike last time as well. But when you figure the amount of original research that has to go into the books and the limited audience, the price is probably justified. That's true! Original price that is. vol.1 is out of print and nowhere to be found anymore. After only few copies left they skyhighed the price it was on amazon for €450 or so, which is over $600.

Just.... the non-reprinting part.... I can't understand. That's all.
With such demand for that book and no reprints... something is just wrong there.

So I dropped the whole series all together.

Mind you that doesn't mean that book isn't good.... it may be as well the best one dealing Eastern Front!
Just.... I have some principles. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Timex62
05-27-2007, 01:49 AM
I purchased Vol.III a couple months back and the Lady at Eagle Editions informed me there is talk of reprinting Vol.I. We can only hope.

larschance
05-27-2007, 08:50 AM
I believe the author had problems with the first publisher so copyright issues have held up a reprint. Volume 3 is a great improvement and the wealth of information is like nowhere else in one book. Christer Bergstrom has also issued a single volume on Barbarossa this year which I recommend.

mandrill7
05-27-2007, 10:04 AM
I note that the blurb on the new Barbarossa book indicates that it has much deeper research than Vol I of BCRS. Possibly the authors wish to revise the latter book before re-releasing it.

leitmotiv
05-27-2007, 10:14 AM
Thanks for the tip on the new Barbarossa book, mandrill. Though I am just about up to the eyebrows in E Front volumes thanks to the University of Kansas and their enormous output of books on this subject.

DKoor
05-27-2007, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by mandrill7:
I note that the blurb on the new Barbarossa book indicates that it has much deeper research than Vol I of BCRS. Possibly the authors wish to revise the latter book before re-releasing it. There were some stories that they'll release vol.1 revisited (2nd ed.)! Filled with some more new info..... how true will that be I guess we'll see.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I sure hope so!

mandrill7
05-27-2007, 04:58 PM
larschance, could you give us a mini-review of the Barbarossa volume? My understanding is that this series deals with strategic issues about the air war whereas BCRS is mostly tactical. I'm wondering if the new series is as in depth in its field and whether it is worth buying.

leitmotiv, what are reading on the Ostfront? I'm still making do with Wikipedia articles for the lesser known battles.

leitmotiv
05-27-2007, 05:50 PM
Mandrill, take a good look at the catalog of the University Press of Kansas:

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/printbysubject.html

look under "History:Russian and Soviet" and "Military Studies"

after that, check out David Glantz here:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/105-2377796-0802833...&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/105-2377796-0802833?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=DAVID+GLANTZ&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go)

and you'll have seen some of the highest quality scholarship done on the E Front recently. I was reading Glantz volume after volume until I quit reading after starting in with flight sims! The Kursk volume by Glantz is a revelation. After reading it your entire view of the battle will be changed.

mandrill7
05-27-2007, 09:06 PM
Thanks!

I've tried reading Glantz, but find him a little dry and antiseptic. The bcrs series and Anthony Beevor are the best stuff I've found yet.

CzechTexan
05-27-2007, 09:16 PM
Sorry to hijack this topic but I am also a big David Glantz fan http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif I've even traded a couple emails with him. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Leningrad and Zhukov's Greatest Defeat (Rzhev) really opened my eyes to the massive battles that were fought there. The amount of research and careful writing makes for excellent historical reading.

As for Black Cross Red Star, I am also a big fan of the series and have nothing but high praise for it. I believe the price is reasonable compared to the market.

leitmotiv
05-28-2007, 12:44 AM
CzechTexan, Glantz has completely altered my understanding of the E Front. Communicating with him? Lucky fellow! The Zhukov/Rzhev book was devastating for Z's reputation. I have almost everything Glantz has written or edited (his collections of documents are superb). Concur with your estimation of BLACK CROSS---a wonderful series. Fifteen years ago there was (compared to what we have now) practically nothing on the E Front in English, and the best was Erickson's two volumes.

CzechTexan
05-28-2007, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
CzechTexan, Glantz has completely altered my understanding of the E Front. Communicating with him? Lucky fellow! The Zhukov/Rzhev book was devastating for Z's reputation. I have almost everything Glantz has written or edited (his collections of documents are superb). Concur with your estimation of BLACK CROSS---a wonderful series. Fifteen years ago there was (compared to what we have now) practically nothing on the E Front in English, and the best was Erickson's two volumes.

The fall of the Soviet Union was the greatest thing to happen for World War 2 history writers.
Leitmotiv, you're exactly right about not much history being available on the East Front in years past. Since then I've gobbled up as much information as I can and it has deeply helped my understanding of the war there.
Thank you Russian Federation and thank you Eastern Front authors!

larschance
05-28-2007, 10:08 AM
Hi mandrill. I believe Barbarossa contains much material that bcrs vol1 did not and has better maps. It deals with the day to day operations between july and dec 41. It compliments the earlier book with both unit level and high level views of actions. Christer is also releasing books on Stalingrad Kursk and the 1944 airwar eastern front in addition to bcrs volumes 4 to 8. If he continues such depth of detail they will be an excellent library on this airwar. I have suggested to Christer not to spread each book too thin but he assures me he has more than enough material. Most of the above books will be out over the next two years.

larschance
05-28-2007, 10:19 AM
Further to my previous message I confirm the Barbarossa volume is cheaper and slimmer at 144 pp but packed with info and photos.18 chapters cover from the opening hours along the front air battles over Kiev Smolensk Moscow Uman Karelia Leningrad plus obs and awards. It is a different publisher Classics issued thru Ian Allan and is gripping to read. As I helped contribute some info I am pleased with the result. We should be able to create some good sim ops from this.
I also like David Glanz work which compliments Paul Carells earlier work.
After years of reading about the ww2 airwar I never thought I would get to fly the ops. Ace.

csThor
05-28-2007, 10:44 AM
Paul Carell's works should be taken with utmost care. "Paul Carell" is a pseudonym and he was arms-deep into the propaganda stuff as official at Goebbel's Ministery of Propaganda. And after the war he published "questionable" texts ... or better texts with a rather obvious political message. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

larschance
05-29-2007, 01:41 PM
I believe Paul Carel was a swedish war correspondent who travelled with the german ground forces. Anyway he painted a vivid picture of the operations albeit a onesided account. However not much was about the airwar so this lacks relevance to our Il2 sim other than an appreciation of the eastern front conditions.