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Rockmore2005
12-10-2005, 02:11 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gifI'm telling you, I have had it....

Been playing SHIII for over 5 months now, in several different careers, and about 100 patrols.

I have searched and read and searched more, with NO resolve:

When finally discovering and hunting down a British capital warship convoy, AND actually slamming anywhere from 3 to six torpedoes into either a British aircraft carrier of any type, or battleship of any type (Nelson, George, etc), the first or econd one hit that is about to sink WILL DISSAPEAR AND GRAPHICALLY VANISH right before my eyes. They do not sink graphically, they fade and dissapear right in front of you...

I kid you not.

It's always right on the verge of them sinking. They literally fade into thin air.

Even worse, you DO NOT get credit for the sinking warship, and have spent 3 to 6 (or more torpedoes) spent on the vanishing capital British warship.


I have been lurking and reading everything in this forum for a long time also. and have not come close to a discussion or reslove fotr this problem.

You can IMAGINE the frustration and discust generated after hours and hours tracking down a Britich capital warship convoy, setting up the torpedoe shots, and then being completely robbed and cheated for any earned hits and sinks.

Have contacted UBIsoft several times on this, with no answers. Have NO graphical mods installed what so ever, and have completely uninstalled SHIII three different times (with complete removal of drivers etc etc), and drive defragmentation before re installing. No reslove at all.

Ok fellas- whats your help, ideas, and resolve?

I am absoutely sick of all the time and effort that goes into tracking down and hitting a British aircraft carrier or battle ship, and having then dissapear right in front og my eyes, and then also not gettingcredit for any obvious sinks.

(NOTE: This never happens with any destroyers, crusiers, aux cruisers, etc etc of course; ONLY with the big boys you want. Britich aircraft carriers and battleships in a convoy).

doug.d
12-10-2005, 03:25 PM
Never heard of this one before and never experienced any ship disappearing instead of sinking. What happens when you sink major units in the single player missions?

Doesn't sound like a hardware problem, you may have a faulty DVD or download version.

vanjast
12-10-2005, 03:25 PM
Whoooaaaa, steady on there 'Kaleun Kirk'. this is a KlingOn 'cloaking system'.

OK now, lie down on the couch and talk slowly. There are many pics on this forum of people doing capital ships. What mods are you using? If not, maybe you should be http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

I let you on a secret here. I always reboot my PC before playing SH3. I notice some games that my kids play does give SH3 the Heeby Jeebies. This a result of cra.p development from Ole Bill, EA, and SH3 combined. Just a thought which might help http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Rockmore2005
12-11-2005, 02:39 AM
(ignore vanjast's obvious mental illness and personality disorder...)

Again, NO graphical mods installed what-so-ever.

It's an obvious bug. OF COURSE it's not a hardware problem; it's definately a bug with UBI's software...

Still waiting for decent reply's with an exact resolve.

thanks

The Avon Lady
12-11-2005, 02:46 AM
Never heard this reported before.

Are you at least patched up to 1.4b?

You say no graphical mods installed? Any other type of mods at all? If so, list them.

doug.d
12-11-2005, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by Rockmore2005:
(ignore vanjast's obvious mental illness and personality disorder...)

Again, NO graphical mods installed what-so-ever.

It's an obvious bug. OF COURSE it's not a hardware problem; it's definately a bug with UBI's software...

Still waiting for decent reply's with an exact resolve.

thanks
Well, well, aren't we an uppity a$$, getting upset with us because we don't have YOUR problem. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Got news for you, it's not definitely a bug with UBI's software, it's definitely a bug with YOUR software. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif But, hang about, a "decent reply with an exact resolve" may come along any minute. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

vanjast
12-11-2005, 02:24 PM
Whoops! .. Double-D you've just made the pressure needle go into the RED http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Duck everybody it's about to pop

Come on Rockmore2005, Nobody has really had this problem so I was trying a not so obvious angle, which I've experienced. We all know that Windoze and lots of games including SH3 have 'bugs'.
There is also the problem with AMD-vs-Intel cpu's, plus graphics drivers/cards.. etc etc.

You're not forth-coming with any relevant info (g-card, system, drivers) and are just bleeting away.

10-1 bet it's your graphics card and graphics driver combination. You went and downloaded/installed the latest drivers for your card. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
NEVER update your graphics drivers, use only the driver that's supplied with the G-Card.

Well start there ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Carotio
12-11-2005, 07:25 PM
It's probably no bug, if those ships were scripted units!

I have seen the campaign_scr.mis file in the mission editor, and a lot of ships which you meet on your patrols, are scripted with a sailing route. And many units have the option of being deleted when reaching the last waypoint! If you weren't there on the spot next to the ships' last waypoint, you wouldn't have noticed it at all! Have you ever started hunting one of the radio contacts, and then just never found them, were they should be? Well, I tell you, it's no bug! They are just deleted!

So take it as a normal kaleun! Start cursing: "Donnerwetter, verdammt noch mal!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

nzodcs
12-12-2005, 07:23 AM
Well, he did say that they "fade and disappear" - and you don't get the sinking credits - I hardly think that will be resolved by a new driver or rebooting and all of the other suggestions. I would say it's either a bug or a script problem.
I say this because I have seen something similar, where a ship just disappears!
Twice whilst I was raiding Liverpool in early 1940 (I can get in over the nets on the surface because it was foggy) I had a T3 and T2 in the same dock. If I fired at the T3 first, the T2 starts moving forward and does a "philadelphia experiment" on me. If I shoot the T2 first, the T3 attempts to move, but gets stuck on the harbour wall.
Although this is in the docks, there's hardly room enough for me to manoevere, let along a large ship.. seems like the AI just bugs out .. and probably places the ship 200miles in the sky (or under the seabead / inside the ground) - heh.. I even looked for it in such places - without finding it.

Kaleun1961
12-12-2005, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by Carotio:
It's probably no bug, if those ships were scripted units!

I have seen the campaign_scr.mis file in the mission editor, and a lot of ships which you meet on your patrols, are scripted with a sailing route. And many units have the option of being deleted when reaching the last waypoint! If you weren't there on the spot next to the ships' last waypoint, you wouldn't have noticed it at all! Have you ever started hunting one of the radio contacts, and then just never found them, were they should be? Well, I tell you, it's no bug! They are just deleted!

So take it as a normal kaleun! Start cursing: "Donnerwetter, verdammt noch mal!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Carotio, I have encountered a scripted destroyer southwest of Ireland. I had crippled a tanker with my last torpedo, but the weather was too rough for the deck gun. I decided to pull off to a position nearby, where I intended to pass time in compression until the weather settled down. My lookout spotted a destroyer coming from the northeast, which we evaded by diving. After some time we surfaced and stayed where we were. Over the next several days we saw the same destroyer, approaching on the same course. It was on a regular schedule, which led me to believe that it was a scripted unit. Obviously, since I was out of torpedoes, I did not sink him, so I don't know if I would have had the same experience as Rockmore2005. I did get the tanker.

doug.d
12-12-2005, 12:39 PM
I had a C3 sail into Gibralter while I was wrecking the place and made a mental note to sink it on the way out, once I was finished with a T3. A couple of minutes later, I turned my attention to the C3.... no C3, it had de-spawned. So, I believe all SH3's AI have spawn and de-spawn points, bad luck if its a juicy BB's de-spawn time just when you shoot at it.

Hoatee
12-12-2005, 01:11 PM
That's probably where the answer lies - in that last post. If you have spent any time with the Mission Editor at all, you will see that units have entry/exit dates and times.

This in combination with the lower action/time ratio of naval combat compared to air/ground warfare leads to the author of this thread having the honour of being the first SHIII player ever to have seen a ship disappear before his very eyes. And he will not be the last but the next posting of a sighting of this kind could very well be quite sometime ahead in the future - methinks.

ps. Interesting policy of denigration on the other site btw.

Messervy
12-12-2005, 02:48 PM
He just witnessed the "Philadelphia Experiment". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Ratek
12-12-2005, 03:16 PM
I once chased a merchant up the Thames estuary... Just as I was about to open up with my gun the ship fades out.

I figured that it had reached the end of its scripted range and thus vanished.

Hoatee
12-12-2005, 03:55 PM
To be honest and different, it hasn't happened to me - yet. But I haven't done that many patrols yet (with the mission editor and the other games and hobbies and all).

WilhelmSchulz.
12-13-2005, 04:27 PM
By any chance where you by a port??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Rockmore2005
12-13-2005, 05:59 PM
There we go fellas- appreciate your help..

Again, it is a LITERAL visual/graphic fading of the warship. It's right in front of you. It always has been hit by at least 3 to 6 torpedoes. They are on the verge of sinking. But insted of any explosions, with the graphical sounds and parts of the ship flying off, they just FADE. Literally. Into thin air.

Then, no record of the sinking or getting credit for it.

When you go to torpeodo control (F6), you also notice the aircraft carrier or battleship is there, but light, faded red. It does not exsist anymore.

NOTE again: This is only on British fleet carriers and British Battle ships. Never happens with destroyers, crusiers, tankers, cargo ships, ANYTHING but aircraft carriers and battleships of any class (British).

No- Its never in a port, or at what would be at the end of a ships run. This is not created with the mission editor. These are reguar patrols out in the middle of deep ocean.

It happens in ANY area, depth of water, time of day, location. The convoy's are NOT in a port or close to land. NOTE: have tracked one (convoy) down to the bottom of Africa near the cape. It stopped and the map icon for the convoy is still there. When approaching the stopped convoy, obviously at the end of its run, it is not there either. NO ships of any kind at all...

Have tried this with 'regular' convoy's that consists of the normal tankers, merchants, cargo ships, destroyers etc. They always ARE THERE. Anywhere. Its just with the British captial ship convoys.

I still have not found a answer or resolve. Been trying everything, as well as all your help, comments, and suggestions.

It's definately some kind of AI bug as you have stated.

Note also, what remains after the British carrier or battleship fades/dissapears, the water wakes, both fore and aft, still are "spashing up" as if a live, moving ship is treading through the water...

So.. you've got the water wakes for s faded/dissapeared/vanished ship right in front of your eyes. These wakes that are left over appear in any view or graphic representation (external, periscope, etc).

I have 14.b installed, and of course all my driver updates for Windows XP and all my hardware are all up to date. I am convinced this is a UBI software glitch. No doubt.

Hoatee
12-14-2005, 06:10 AM
Rockmoore,

Are you prepared to record a video of this? I'm a doubting thomas (cos it hasn't happened to me yet). And I'm not inclined to describe it as a bug - more a disadvantage of AI in general (they have to be scripted and can be predictable at times).

Human opposition? At first glance that seems very enticing. But in practice, alas.

Bring in the saai borgs....

Rockmore2005
12-15-2005, 02:34 PM
Hoat- define "prepared", hero...

Im not going to bust my butt trying to figgure out how to make a live video capture of this, and go through all the hassle of just being able to post it here or somewhere, for your benefit...

I have often thought about doing it though for record. Believe me, it exsists as I have stated several times specificially.

If you or anyone can state how to make a "live" .mpg or .avi of this, and in such form that its EASILY able to be posted here (and small enough in total size), I will. But it just so you all can see it, but will not result in any correction or resolve of the problem.. Thats what Im looking for; an answer to correct the problem.

doug.d
12-15-2005, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by Rockmore2005:
Im looking for; an answer to correct the problem.
Just stop firing torpedoes at capital ships, no more frustration, problem resolved. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Rockmore2005
12-15-2005, 09:00 PM
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Rockmore2005
12-15-2005, 09:06 PM
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U-268
12-16-2005, 09:40 PM
Dont worry rockmore

I have experinced this in Lock ew. I was checking out the port and found a small tanker in port. sank it and was heading out when I got a strong contact coming towards me from the north. When they came into visual range there was 2 nelsons and 1 king george with 3 to 4 escorts doing twenty knots heading into lock ew. I set up for shots on the two leading battleships. all torpedoes hit and the 1st battleship lay dead in the water and the 2nd sank. The 3rd ship took evasive action and proceded into lock ew. After reloading my fish i fired at the last battleship but before my torps could reach her she and the dead in the water ship dissappeared in front of me. the one i sank was sitting on the bottom with her superstructure out of the water. My thoughts were "What the *%$#" . So i reloaded and tried again and the battleships and escorts all vanished when they reached Lock Ew. Conclusion. When The taskforce reaches its last waypoint where there is no other instructions, POOF it does a Philadelphia Experiment. Gone!. Maybe it starts again from the first waypoint I dont Know.

Rockmore2005
12-16-2005, 09:49 PM
Naw U-268, that isnt the exact problem here.... the issue of them dissapearing at the end of its script run or waypoint is one thing (like you have experienced and described). Thats is known and will happen.

This is a BIGGER bug Ive discovered, as it has nothing to do with ports, end of runs, etc. Thats why I posted the pics. To show that it happens anywhere, especially out in the middle of nowhere in deep water, and continually.

In other words, a user goes to all the zillion hours in the game, and when you do finally have the chance and opportunity to sink what everybody wants most (the big boys like aircraft carriers and battleships) UBI has total screwed everybody buy not allowing them to sink the same and getting credit for it.

doug.d
12-17-2005, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Rockmore2005:
In other words, a user goes to all the zillion hours in the game, and when you do finally have the chance and opportunity to sink what everybody wants most (the big boys like aircraft carriers and battleships) UBI has total screwed everybody buy not allowing them to sink the same and getting credit for it.
You keep saying stuff like this Rocky old son, but you're not listening, UBI hasn't "total screwed everybody", you are the only one, repeat, ONLY ONE, having this problem. I understand you being bitter when it happens, but the solution doesn't lie with UBI nor with people who would like to help but can't because they've never seen/experienced your problem.

I suggest you uninstall SH3 and reinstall afresh, preferably using a new or friend's DVD copy in case yours is corrupted. If it still occurs, then you have a problem with your PC, drivers etc. Whatever the problem is, its yours and yours alone.

Rockmore2005
12-18-2005, 01:00 AM
See?

LOL Dougie.. just because old farts like you have not the skill, time, experience, or ability to actually track down a British capital warship convoy and experience the problem, does not mean the problem doesnt exsist and isnt a major software error discoverd by a experience paying consumer.

There is not a thing wrong with my $7000 Voodoo rig, OS, software, drivers, or any other excuse you lamers come up with to get off topic and the content of the original topic post.

If YOU dont have anything positive to contribute, or an resolve to this documented and confirmed screw job by UBI, then stay away from this thread, and quit trying to change the subject to something else.

BTW criminal- loading or using anothers copy of the DVD as you state is illegal, and is not even close to an option or soloution to this MAJOR discoverd bug.

You stay to your level siniking costal merchants on your Wal-Mart quality computer, and run along now..

Others that have experienced this bug and can formulate an exact resolve are welcome!

BenBenRodr
12-18-2005, 04:57 AM
Originally posted by Rockmore2005:
See?

LOL Dougie.. just because old farts like you have not the skill, time, experience, or ability to actually track down a British capital warship convoy and experience the problem, does not mean the problem doesnt exsist and isnt a major software error discoverd by a experience paying consumer.

There is not a thing wrong with my $7000 Voodoo rig, OS, software, drivers, or any other excuse you lamers come up with to get off topic and the content of the original topic post.

If YOU dont have anything positive to contribute, or an resolve to this documented and confirmed screw job by UBI, then stay away from this thread, and quit trying to change the subject to something else.

BTW criminal- loading or using anothers copy of the DVD as you state is illegal, and is not even close to an option or soloution to this MAJOR discoverd bug.

You stay to your level siniking costal merchants on your Wal-Mart quality computer, and run along now..

Others that have experienced this bug and can formulate an exact resolve are welcome!

That'll definitely make people help you.


I've never, ever seen a ship disappear like that - and jawohl, I have chased and sunk both carriers and battleships. The other people that mentioned seeing it, said it was at the end of their paths.

Sounds like *you* are the only one that has seen this - so far - thus calling it a *documented bug* is a bit of an exaggeration. Not every other option has been ruled out.


As for installing from someone else's DVD: if you've got a copy yourself, I doubt anyone will care.


(oh, and what does *having a $7000 system* have to do with it? You think you can't have problems with such an expensive system?)

doug.d
12-18-2005, 06:28 AM
Sigh.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Rocky, you are beyond help or redemption and until you HEAR the truth, the "exact resolve" you're demanding will not come to you. That is, if you really are sincere and not as stupid as you come across..... I suspect you are just trolling. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


Originally posted by Rockmore2005:
LOL Dougie.. just because old farts like you have not the skill, time, experience, or ability to actually track down a British capital warship convoy and experience the problem, does not mean the problem doesnt exsist and isnt a major software error discoverd by a experience paying consumer.
You stay to your level siniking costal merchants on your Wal-Mart quality computer, and run along now..
Come to think of it you may be partially right, all the capital ships I've torpedoed HAVE disappeared.... beneath the waves, they call it "sinking". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif