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Gamewrecker
12-09-2007, 01:44 PM
I think they should at least make Al Tair able to swim. And make the guards a little less "skilled" in building climbing. It's a little weird when they come flying through the air or jump from building to building like they were Assassins.

Sosolid
12-09-2007, 01:53 PM
EXACTLY what i was thinking! Altair is supposed to be unique, and a one of a kind. Not another billion guards to be able to do it aswell! Ok, you can make the templars do it, and a few guards, but not EVERY single one.

And yes, Altair, TAKE SWIMMING LESSONS!
Or, or, or, orrr! Maybe, Altair is afraid of water. Maybe Desmond is aswell, if he is, itl be a major part in ac2 and ac3

(ok not major, but i like the word)

AirRon_2K7
12-09-2007, 01:56 PM
I think if you go by the rule "a few of them can do it" then you need to make those few a lot stronger. Like: Counters have a VERY low chance of succeeding (a rule that should be applied over all), are great at blocking... and kick your ***... backwards... with their eyes closed... with two hands tied behind their back....

Sosolid
12-09-2007, 01:56 PM
Oh yes, KEEP ASSASSINS! I dont want ninjas! Or mummies! I like assassinss! Lol. Keep 'em!
Keep pakour. Take away repetitive!

Gamewrecker
12-09-2007, 02:18 PM
Ninjas would be really stupid. Its ASSASSIN'S creed, not NINJA'S creed.

Gamewrecker
12-09-2007, 02:21 PM
There should also be more side missions and you shouldn't have to do the same thing on them. And maybe the citizents could be in a little more different situations if you're gonna save them. Maybe some could get robbed, som could get harrased by guards, some could be like hanging from a building maybe even a rape. As long as it isn't the same all the time. Like you said Sosolid.

Jobo511
12-09-2007, 02:25 PM
haha i think Ninj's creed would be kinda cool. think about it. Insted of throwing knived there would be throwing stars. Instead of the sword there would be a Katana. Instead of blending in with monks he could blend in with the shadows (if he was wearing a black outfit or something). OH and maybe he could walk on water http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sosolid
12-09-2007, 02:31 PM
Ok look
If someone says assassin to me, first few things that come to my head



weirdo who cant stay still and jumps up and down like a monkey

dosnt know english

real weak, just fast and intelligent (but can also be dumb)

NOT AC TYPE!

Childish

Shadows- this is where it gets lame. If i wore black, kill someone, stand in a shadow, i dont become invisible!
Now, if your an assassin, it works. Kill someone, jump in a haysack (no one looks in them anyway). Climb a roof and jump, jump, jump! MAKES SENCE! Standing in a shadow dosnt make you invisble!

Sosolid
12-09-2007, 02:31 PM
Sorrryy! I mean, if someone says NINJA to me****

XyZspineZyX
12-09-2007, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Sosolid:
Sorrryy! I mean, if someone says NINJA to me****

Hi Sosolid...if you check the bottom right hand corner of any post you make you will see a small icon for editing posts. If you need to amend a previous post you should use this option please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks

MindTreat
12-09-2007, 02:33 PM
Seeing that there are three buttons unused,
this could be use to f.ex. interaction with
citizens. Like a "Talk to" button on r2,
or a "Threaten" button on l2.

Upgrades that you can change and make,
fast travel options, more varied missions,
etc etc.
I think i could go on and on with suggestion really, as this has huge potential that i feel
we havent seen at its fullest yet with episode 1.

DreamerM
12-09-2007, 02:51 PM
FACT -

Altair originally WAS able to swim. However it got cut from the game partly for de-bugging reasons and partly because they couldn't figure out a good way to work it into the gameplay: "underwater you basically became god: nothing could hurt you."

I don't know what being able to swim would add to the game. Plus it's something very few back in those days were able to do.

Gamewrecker
12-09-2007, 03:40 PM
I agree that it wouldn't make a that big reason. But it could save us from a lot of retries because of falling into the water.

And I think that since Al Tair can climb up buildings and fend of like 20 soldiers, he should be able to swim. I doubt that many people could do that either back then.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But nevertheless AWESOME game. Like the BEST ever (Tied with Halo 3)

ACfanboy12
12-09-2007, 04:06 PM
Ok, replying to all your posts right now... and dont feel mad.

Firstly, it's Altair, not Al Tair.

DreamerM is right, it was removed from the game, and the reply of (he can jump kill people but he can't swim)... who is going to teach him how to swim... the Navy (been discussed before). The Assassins were trained - now this maybe even not true- for suicide missions. They did not expect to live after they have done their deed, and killed their target. In fact, the leap of faith you see is actually a death ritual, where the leader of the assassins (not generally astablished) would command his assassins to jump to his death, signifieing the lack of fear, and their attachment to his will. Back on track... there was no one to teach people to swim, they may have tought themselves, but it is very hard to swim with equipment (trying swimming with a rock, it WILL majorly cripple your swimming). And I don't want to hear this stuff... the Navy Seals can do it, why can't Altair- well the NAVY SEALS have lighter equipment, and they are tought specific ways how to be better at swimming with equipment; and Altair does not have this luxary of training.

I really doubt there will be an RPG type thing, where you upgrade your weapons and ****... this is just BS anyway... and the genre of this game is more action oriented, so they won't go that route anyway (which is frankly a gay route).

About Ninjas Creed... hiding in the shadows... what is this another chinese movie, where they fly though buildings, and fight on trees... buddy, this is real life... you hide in the shadows, someone is going to rape you. It would be nice to have a feature if you go into a dark place, the other people won't notice you as easily... but I mean... it would ruin the inovative part of this game. And I personally don't want another **** ninja game, where you have to slice people 10 times before they die; and have gay combos.

Also, to your guys post about Guards being less parkour like then Altair. Did you guys know that EVERYONE in the game world can jump as far and climb like Altair... it's true. This one time, I pushed some random civilian off a ledge (he was a FAT guy), he landed safely on a little pole, and jumped 20 feet to another ledge, and jumped down to the ground. Seems like everyone in the game world can do the same things as Altair... BS I tell you, and I would LOVE for Altair to have at least SOME advantage when it comes to free running (I mean at least let him lose guards easily when hes on the roof tops).

DreamerM
12-09-2007, 04:21 PM
I would LOVE for Altair to have at least SOME advantage when it comes to free running (I mean at least let him lose guards easily when hes on the roof tops).

I disagree: this game doesn't need to be any easier. The guards need all the help they can get. They use ladders, they can't climb walls, and they can't turn corners or navigate as fast as you can.

J CROS10
12-09-2007, 04:28 PM
Multiplayer/Co-op It would be bad *** to play with your friend or friends and do missions together, run around the town together. Or Ubisoft is pretty good at this, Spy vs Merc type deal, Assassin Vs Soldier, One is the assassin, everything Altir has, then the Soldiers have 2 handed swords they can swing and bows and arrows something of that sort come on ubisoft, we know you can do it make this game badass fpr everyone not just for 1 player.

ACfanboy12
12-09-2007, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by DreamerM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I would LOVE for Altair to have at least SOME advantage when it comes to free running (I mean at least let him lose guards easily when hes on the roof tops).

I disagree: this game doesn't need to be any easier. The guards need all the help they can get. They use ladders, they can't climb walls, and they can't turn corners or navigate as fast as you can. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fine less advantage, but I dont want to see ****ing guards jumping 21 feet like I do, that is BULL ****!!!!!!

And they can run, and turn just as fast as Altair can...

I don't want every citizen being like a master assassin, I want to see the god damn difference for the fact that Altair spent his life training for **** then, but then some fat guy out jumps him (WTF?!?!).

And if you havent read my post completlely dont post to me.

DreamerM
12-09-2007, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by ACfanboy12:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DreamerM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I would LOVE for Altair to have at least SOME advantage when it comes to free running (I mean at least let him lose guards easily when hes on the roof tops).

I disagree: this game doesn't need to be any easier. The guards need all the help they can get. They use ladders, they can't climb walls, and they can't turn corners or navigate as fast as you can. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fine less advantage, but I dont want to see ****ing guards jumping 21 feet like I do, that is BULL ****!!!!!!

And they can run, and turn just as fast as Altair can...

I don't want every citizen being like a master assassin, I want to see the god damn difference for the fact that Altair spent his life training for **** then, but then some fat guy out jumps him (WTF?!?!).

And if you havent read my post completlely dont post to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, I always read every post completely. Sometimes I only quote part of it for length and clarity.

Again, the game does not need to be any easier. The chase scenes are some of the most thrilling bits of game-play in the game, and I'm not in favor of any changes that would make them "easier."

MiniAssasin
12-09-2007, 06:43 PM
how about basic guards cant, some follow you on roof tops but ca only jump small gaps

better guards can be a bit more advanced at it

templars are like you

and guards et alot harer

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if a templar coul omg woop my *** and was adapt at chasing me anywhere unless i was smart it would be such a rush to either fight them, or try and get away

AldirTheKnight
12-09-2007, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Gamewrecker:
Ninjas would be really stupid. Its ASSASSIN'S creed, not NINJA'S creed.



but ninjas ARE assassins http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

MiniAssasin
12-09-2007, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by AldirTheKnight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gamewrecker:
Ninjas would be really stupid. Its ASSASSIN'S creed, not NINJA'S creed.



but ninjas ARE assassins http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i dont care what peopel say everyone loves ninjas and they will allways be cool

we need more ninja games

Skaevola
12-09-2007, 06:54 PM
I don't mind so much the fact that Altair can't swim. I mean, the big sword, little sword, fifteen throwing knives, and heavy leather has to count for something. But if he was a little more RESPONSIVE over the water, it would certainly raise the quality of the game. It's like he's terrified! He won't do what I tell him to do! It's very frustrating!

Dragons_Pride87
12-09-2007, 06:55 PM
i want the guards to attack when ur attacking another 1..... i mean they just ****ing sit there and go " HEHE...hic! U JUST GOT STABED IN THE BACK AND CUT IN HALF HEHE IMA GET KILLED NEXT AFTER U DEHE" come on ubisoft....FOCUS....and if it wasent for the damn 360 we wold have a beter damn PS3 game....and if u dont know why (come on get with it) they stoped to start making it for the damn 360 because they knew the people with a 360 would start complaning about it not being out for it so they divided the work so the people wouldent complain and then the games got there own special parts to em so the people would have something to argue about on the damn internet like the fanboys and girls. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

Dragons_Pride87
12-09-2007, 07:17 PM
to the ninja post.... i just saw a person in tv with a tshirt that says I HEART NINJAS

DreamerM
12-09-2007, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by AldirTheKnight:

but ninjas ARE assassins http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

No, they're not. Ninjas are mercenaries.

Assassins kill for politically motivated reasons. When someone is "assassinated" then someone killed them in some sort of bid for power.

Ninjas will kill anyone as long as someone else is willing to pay for their services. They don't "assassinate" in the sense that they think they're acting for the greater good. They do what the lord who is paying them tells them to do, fight whom he wants them to fight, and don't ask questions.

They are not Assassins, they have no relationship whatsoever with the Anti-Crusader muslim force of the day, and they are not humanists or champions of justice. They simply want to get paid.

"Ninjas Creed," would suck.

MindTreat
12-09-2007, 10:25 PM
I wish there were hidden missions that didn't show
up on the radar. This would actually make it usefull to go explore the cities.
I dont see the point in having all the missions on the radar, kinda takes away the exploring/searching part.

Gamewrecker
12-10-2007, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by DreamerM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AldirTheKnight:

but ninjas ARE assassins http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

No, they're not. Ninjas are mercenaries.

Assassins kill for politically motivated reasons. When someone is "assassinated" then someone killed them in some sort of bid for power.

Ninjas will kill anyone as long as someone else is willing to pay for their services. They don't "assassinate" in the sense that they think they're acting for the greater good. They do what the lord who is paying them tells them to do, fight whom he wants them to fight, and don't ask questions.

They are not Assassins, they have no relationship whatsoever with the Anti-Crusader muslim force of the day, and they are not humanists or champions of justice. They simply want to get paid.

"Ninjas Creed," would suck. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. "Ninjas Creed". Hello?!?! they kill ppl for money!!! What the hell do they need a creed for?

Gamewrecker
12-10-2007, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by Wingf00t:
I don't mind so much the fact that Altair can't swim. I mean, the big sword, little sword, fifteen throwing knives, and heavy leather has to count for something. But if he was a little more RESPONSIVE over the water, it would certainly raise the quality of the game. It's like he's terrified! He won't do what I tell him to do! It's very frustrating!

Maybe he almost drowned as a kid or something. Something could have happened with water a when he was young. Maybe we'll get to know this l8r in the game.

ScytheOfGrim
12-10-2007, 01:55 AM
Aaaaaah... Ninja's Creed... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

moqqy... chewie?
Where are you guys? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

stix489
12-10-2007, 02:04 AM
They were...taken care of...

You are the only one that remains...

But not for long...

MUHHAHAHAHAHAHA http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif ...wait a minute...you can't die, you're already dead!

Oh **** *scrunches up plan*

Back to the drawing table then... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

ScytheOfGrim
12-10-2007, 02:09 AM
Hard to counter me, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gamewrecker
12-10-2007, 02:12 AM
hmm. Maybe we could http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif (We can put on white robes, make some hidden blades and then stab him in the throat.) Don't you think thats an original idea? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

stix489
12-10-2007, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by ScytheOfGrim:
Hard to counter me, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I'll try my best...hey pal...do you have some kind of weakness?

Gamewrecker
12-10-2007, 02:33 AM
You mean like cryptonite or somethin'? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

stix489
12-10-2007, 02:51 AM
Yeah...EXACTLY!

Gamewrecker
12-10-2007, 03:28 AM
Awesome. I think I have some in my toolbox http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif :P LOL

stix489
12-10-2007, 03:30 AM
LOL! We need plenty to take this <STRIKE>baby</STRIKE>thingy down...

ScytheOfGrim
12-10-2007, 03:33 AM
Kryptonite... seriously? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

stix489
12-10-2007, 03:34 AM
I dunno...That's all we could think of...perhaps you could enlighten us Mr Grim!

ScytheOfGrim
12-10-2007, 03:39 AM
Sig... >_>

stix489
12-10-2007, 03:41 AM
PIXIES...That's it!

Gamewrecker...please tell me you have some of those!

Gamewrecker
12-10-2007, 08:50 AM
Afraid I don't have any pixies left. threw em on the grill last summer... hmm

We could use fairies?

Or maybe we could use some anti-ScytheOfGrim secret super deluxe mega weapon.

Or we could just drown him

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

stix489
12-10-2007, 05:17 PM
Dang...but that anti-ScytheOfGrim secret super deluxe mega weapon sounds good!

reeper2895
12-10-2007, 11:03 PM
i just want it to b on xboxlive it would be awsome

MindTreat
12-11-2007, 01:40 AM
There should be items in the game, along with gold/money. I would REALLY like to give those freaking annoying beggars some gold to leave me alone. It would make sense too...

And when those street merchants start yelling
"YOU!; Yes you, come, see what i have to offer"
i wanna buy stuff, or at least see what they
are offering. The lack of interactions with the roaming ppl makes the game rather dull at times.

Another thing that would be nice, is the ability to walk normally like the other citizens, without getting the red flash with alert sound.
It doesnt make sense the way it is now.

And why oh why does the crazy/drunk ppl only annoy/attack you, and not anybody else?
Doesn't make sense, unless Altair has some sort
of "Kick me" sign on the back.

And pls, pretty pls with sugar on top,
let us have the ability to SKIP DIALOGES!!!

DreamerM
12-11-2007, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by MindTreat:
There should be items in the game, along with gold/money. I would REALLY like to give those freaking annoying beggars some gold to leave me alone.

And when those street merchants start yelling
"YOU!; Yes you, come, see what i have to offer"
i wanna buy stuff, or at least see what they
are offering. The lack of interactions with the roaming ppl makes the game rather dull at times.

Another thing that would be nice, is the ability to walk normally like the other citizens, without getting the red flash with alert sound.
It doesnt make sense the way it is now.

And why oh why does the crazy/drunk ppl only annoy/attack you, and not anybody else?


I've seen them annoy other NPCs, but that's neither here nor they. The beggers function as human Land Mines: having them around is a reality but they can complicate a mission, especially when you're trying to follow someone to a secluded place for some robbery or death dealing.

As for buying things: Altair is an assassin. What would he need to buy? The Burroahs supply all of his Assassin's weapons, feed him and give him a place to rest. This isn't an RPG where you have to keep track of gear bonuses.

What would shopping really add to the game?

Redfeather1975
12-11-2007, 02:44 AM
Everything is fine except the information gathering missions and collectibles.

The information gathering is really just over simplified mini-games with cut-scenes.
The collectibles are nothing but a fruitless diversion.

MiniAssasin
12-11-2007, 03:16 AM
fruitless i cream myself everytime i get a flag

MiniAssasin
12-11-2007, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by DreamerM:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AldirTheKnight:

but ninjas ARE assassins http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

No, they're not. Ninjas are mercenaries.

Assassins kill for politically motivated reasons. When someone is "assassinated" then someone killed them in some sort of bid for power.

Ninjas will kill anyone as long as someone else is willing to pay for their services. They don't "assassinate" in the sense that they think they're acting for the greater good. They do what the lord who is paying them tells them to do, fight whom he wants them to fight, and don't ask questions.

They are not Assassins, they have no relationship whatsoever with the Anti-Crusader muslim force of the day, and they are not humanists or champions of justice. They simply want to get paid.

"Ninjas Creed," would suck. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ok mister i know what an assassin is

definition:

1. a murderer, esp. one who kills a politically prominent person for fanatical or monetary reasons.
2. (cap.) one of an order of Muslim fanatics, active in Persia and Syria from about 1090 to 1272, whose chief object was to assassinate Crusaders.

oh look monetry reasons, so a ninja being payed to kill a politically prominent person.say liek altair does, would be considered.do i dare say it an assassin

i dont get why everyone hates ninjas, take away the fictional **** and look into the history, they have a far better story to tell than we have in this game

DreamerM
12-11-2007, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by MiniAssasin:

1. a murderer, esp. one who kills a politically prominent person for fanatical or monetary reasons.
2. (cap.) one of an order of Muslim fanatics, active in Persia and Syria from about 1090 to 1272, whose chief object was to assassinate Crusaders.

oh look monetry reasons, so a ninja being payed to kill a politically prominent person.say liek altair does, would be considered.do i dare say it an assassin.

Not in the "we hate the crusaders and we want to stop the war and don't care how many high buildings we have to dive off to do it" sort of way.

They'd be "assassins" in the modern sense, not the historical sense. This game is about the HISTORICAL assassins, which ninjas have absolutely no ties whatosoever to.