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Wingtip9875
01-24-2007, 08:21 AM
I just ordered all this, which is a major upgrade from what i had running SH3.

ASUS CROSSHAIR Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

CPU Type: Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64
Dual Channel Supported: Yes
FSB: 1000MHz Hyper Transport (2000 MT/s)
Maximum Memory Supported: 8GB
Memory Standard: DDR2 800
Number of Memory Slots: 4×240pin
PATA: 1 x ATA100 up to 2 Devices
PCI Express x16: 2
PCI Express x4: 1
PCI Slots: 3

Model #: CROSSHAIR
Item #: N82E16813131593
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
In Stock
3 Business Day Shipping $7.32
[168 Reviews]

$229

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AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADA5200CSBOX - Retail

64 bit Support: Yes
HT: 2000MHz
Hyper-Transport Support: Yes
L1 Cache: 128KB+128KB
L2 Cache: 2 x 1MB
Manufacturing Tech: 90 nm
Multi-Core: Dual-Core
Processors Type: Desktop
Series: Athlon 64 X2
Vista Ready: Yes

Model #: ADA5200CSBOX
Item #: N82E16819103759

$276
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ZALMAN 9700 LED 110mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler - Retail

Color: Transparent
Compatibility: Intel LGA 775 , AMD Socket 754 / 939 / 940 / AM2
Heatsink Dimensions: 90 x 124 x 142mm
Heatsink Material: Copper
LED: Blue
Noise Level: 19.5-35 dBA
Package Contents: CPU Cooler Fan Speed Controller Clips Backplate Bolts
Power Connector: 3 Pin
RPM: 1250-2800 RPM
Type: Fan&Heatsinks

Model #: 9700 LED
Item #: N82E16835118019

$59.99
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CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail

Buffered/Registered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 5
ECC: No
Heat Spreader: Yes
Timing: 5-5-5-12
Voltage: 1.9V

Model #: CM2X1024-6400
Item #: N82E16820145153

$134ea
2 STICKS (2 GIG TOTAL)
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SONY 16X DVDR DVD Burner With 5X DVD-RAM Write Black IDE Model DRU120C - Retail

CD-R: 48X
CD-RW: 24X
DVD+R: 16X
DVD+R DL: 8X
DVD+RW: 8X
DVD-R: 16X
DVD-R DL: 4X
DVD-RAM: 5X
DVD-RW: 6X
Type: DVD Burner

Model #: DRU120C
Item #: N82E16827131039

$44.99
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POWER SUPPLY



APEVIA ATX-PFC680W-BL ATX12V / EPS12V 680W Power Supply - Retail

Dual +12V: Yes
Efficiency: > 70%
Fans: 2
Hold-up Time: >10ms at full load
Main Connector: 20 + 4Pin
Modular Cabling Support: No
PCI-E Connectors: 2 x 6Pin
PFC: Active
Power Good Signal: 100-500ms
SLI Support: Yes

Model #: ATX-PFC680W-BL
Item #: N82E16817148020

$129
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VIDEO CARD

eVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail

Chipset Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Core clock: 500MHz
DirectX: DirectX 10
DVI: 2
Memory Clock: 1600MHz(effective)
Memory Interface: 320-bit
OpenGL: OpenGL 2.0
Stream Processors: 96
TV-Out: HDTV / S-Video/Composite Out
VIVO: No

Model #: 640-P2-N821-AR
Item #: N82E16814130071

$409
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case


2x250mm fans, option rear 80,90,120mm fan x1
Aplus CS-A+380SM Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

120mm Fans: No
80mm Fans: No
External 3.5" Drive Bays: 1
External 5.25" Drive Bays: 5
Front Ports: USB, Audio, IEEE 1394
Internal 3.5" Drive Bays: 7
Motherboard Compatibility: Standard ATX, Extended ATX (12"x13"), MP Dual CPU
Side Air duct: No
With Power Supply: No
With Side Panel Window: Yes

Model #: CS-A+380SM
Item #: N82E16811290001

$106

Stuntcow
01-24-2007, 08:44 AM
Would say that based on the specs that have been released, it should be a higher end machine to play SH4.

Realjambo
01-24-2007, 09:17 AM
I think you'll have an excellent rig for SH4 there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

VonHammer2007
01-24-2007, 04:25 PM
i was thinking about upgrading my desktop, buts its 4 years old and not worth the effort. its a diemenson 2400.

anyway im thingking about getting a laptop, but not until aftewr i graduate from high school, which will be may/june this year. any ideas of specs i should be considering

Wingtip9875
01-24-2007, 04:34 PM
Are you an AMD or Intel fan?

personally i think for the cost of a new laptop you can buy a kick *** setup like the one i posted... how big are laptop hardrives anyways?

TheRealPotoroo
01-25-2007, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by Wingtip9875:
I just ordered all this, which is a major upgrade from what i had running SH3.

ASUS CROSSHAIR Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADA5200CSBOX - Retail
ZALMAN 9700 LED 110mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler - Retail
CORSAIR XMS2 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model CM2X1024-6400 - Retail 2 STICKS (2 GIG TOTAL)
eVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
Based on what we've been told your rig is more than good enough for SH4. If it was my money I'd have gone for DDR2-800 CAS4 not CAS5 but that's a relatively minor matter.

I am curious though to know why you bought a Crossfire (not Crosshair) motherboard and an 8800GTS. Obviously you'e not planning on getting two video cards. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Wingtip9875
01-25-2007, 05:44 AM
i didnt buy a crossfire, i bought a CROSSHAIR, theres a difference...the crosshair has 2xpciexpress slots for dual cards if you go back up and read my parts description it says right there, also i had to buy a specific power supply that would have 2xpciexpress power cables and enough juice to run both cards somewhat (couldve went higher but was stretchin my budget as it was), and i had to buy that specific ram due to a voltage conflict with most standard ram with this new motherboard...

trust me, i researched all this for hours and hours before parting with my money. i had to buy everything since its all new... going from a 939 socket to am2, the ram going to 240 pin, going from agp to pci express, blah blah...everything is new and couldnt use anything from my old rig except the floppy drive and a burner...whoooooopie lol...

TheRealPotoroo
01-25-2007, 06:04 AM
My bad about the Crosshair (stupid name though that implies a link with Crossfire). And yes, 1st gen AM2 motherboards are notoriously fussy about RAM. You do know the 5200 won't run DDR2-800 at DDR2-800 (since 2600 isn't evenly divisible by 400 the CPU will auto-select the nearest JEDEC-compliant divisor which in this case is 7, hence DDR2-743), yes?

Wingtip9875
01-25-2007, 08:37 AM
where does the 2600 and the 400 come from?

the ram is pc2-6400

TheRealPotoroo
01-25-2007, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by Wingtip9875:
where does the 2600 and the 400 come from?

the ram is pc2-6400
2600Mhz = 2.6Ghz (AM2 5200 stock CPU speed). DDR2 = 400Mhz.

Only those AM2 CPUs whose CPU speed is evenly divisible by 400 can run DDR2-800 at DDR2-800. Where it isn't evenly divisible by 400 (you can't have a non-integer divisor) the CPU will select the next lowest JEDEC-compliant divisor. For the 5200 those divisors are 7 (DDR2-743), 8 (DD2-650), 10 (DDR2-520) and 13 (DDR2-400). PC2-6400 is DDR2-800, so your RAM will run at DDR2-743.

Wingtip9875
01-25-2007, 08:51 AM
2600Mhz = 2.6Ghz. DDR2 = 400Mhz.

i guess im still confused on where your getting ddr2+400 since the ram is ddr2-800, the mb says its standard ddr2-800 so wouldnt it all need to be divisible by 800 instead of the 400..

this is the whole reason i switched from the agp setup that was only a 400 bus to the new 800...

guess im missing something. im confused... so should i get a different processor?

TheRealPotoroo
01-25-2007, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by Wingtip9875:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">2600Mhz = 2.6Ghz. DDR2 = 400Mhz.

i guess im still confused on where your getting ddr2+400 since the ram is ddr2-800, the mb says its standard ddr2-800 so wouldnt it all need to be divisible by 800 instead of the 400.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
DDR = base 200Mhz. DDR2 = base 400Mhz.

Dealing with memory with 939 AMD CPUs is dead easy because everything is based on a multiple of 200. IE, my 939 X2 4200 runs stock at 2.2Ghz (200 x 11) and my RAM at DDR-400 (200 x "double rate"). DDR2 has twice the throughput of DDR, hence 400 (x "double rate") and that's why I would have been looking for CAS4 (DDR-400 CAS2 = DDR2-800 CAS4 - doubling the data rate (memory speed) while halving the latency (memory timing) equals the same performance). The problem for some AM2 CPUs is that their stock speeds are not a multiple of 400, hence the discrepancy between them and their memory performance.

The AM2 X2 4200 (2200Mhz) is in the same boat. Since 2200 isn't evenly divisible by 400 it runs its memory at DDR2-733 (2200/5 = 5.5 which is not allowed, so the CPU selects the next JEDEC-compliant divisor of 6 which gives DDR2-733). However, since as I pointed out above DDR-400 CAS2 is equivalent to DDR2-800 CAS4, my 939 4200 with DDR-400 RAM will marginally outperform the AM2 X2 4200 on some benchmarks.

Wingtip9875
01-25-2007, 09:52 AM
so what of the coponents would u suggest i change, the ram or the cpu? I still have some time but not much to make changes...

TheRealPotoroo
01-25-2007, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Wingtip9875:
so what of the coponents would u suggest i change, the ram or the cpu? I still have some time but not much to make changes...
A 2.6GHz CPU with DDR2-743 RAM will still outperform a 2.4GHz CPU with DDR2-800 RAM but as I said, if it was my money I'd be looking for CAS4 RAM not CAS5, at least if was a gaming machine. A THG review a while back showed only those AMDs running at 2.4GHz or above got any appreciable benefit from the extra memory bandwidth over their 939 counterparts but the RAM needed to be CAS4.

stabiz
01-26-2007, 07:22 PM
Wow, I got a headache by reading this. But thanks, potoroo!

TheRealPotoroo
01-26-2007, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by stabiz:
Wow, I got a headache by reading this. But thanks, potoroo!
A THG article on AM2s and memory mid-2006 said much the same thing: "you have
to ask yourself: who can really understand all of this?" Apparently I can. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif