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anarchy52
03-23-2005, 04:19 AM
http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/stories/anabuki1.html

there was a similar story about Ki-61 and B-29 IIRC

Maybe <span class="ev_code_RED">Japanese</span> planes weren't really all that crappy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

anarchy52
03-23-2005, 04:19 AM
http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/stories/anabuki1.html

there was a similar story about Ki-61 and B-29 IIRC

Maybe <span class="ev_code_RED">Japanese</span> planes weren't really all that crappy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jasko76
03-23-2005, 04:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Maybe <span class="ev_code_RED">Japanese</span> planes weren't really all that crappy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Their pilots certainly were not! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

anarchy52
03-23-2005, 05:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
Their pilots certainly were not! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never had any doubts about japanese pilots. IJN pilots of 1941-1942 were probably THE BEST trained pilots in the world.
After reading Sakai's "Samurai" for the tenth time I get an urge to jump in a Zero in HL...but then FB reality kicks in and I soon realize I'm not Sakai and FB Zero is not really a zero...
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

KGr.HH-Sunburst
03-23-2005, 06:07 AM
very nice read, thanks anarchy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
goes to show that <span class="ev_code_RED">Japanese</span> pilots sure had some balls and skills

however the only thing i could think of is that its so much harder to bring down planes in FB then it was IRL, i mean try to take out a couple of B24's
and P38's with only 2 MG's the way he discribes it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tigertalon
03-23-2005, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
very nice read, thanks anarchy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
goes to show that <span class="ev_code_RED">Japanese</span> pilots sure had some balls and skills

however the only thing i could think of is that its so much harder to bring down planes in FB then it was IRL, i mean try to take out a couple of B24's
and P38's with only 2 MG's the way he discribes it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, like Werre_Fsck said in other post, all planes are way to tough. All weapons should be stronger. IRL pilots achieved 2% hits of all ammo fired on average, and they still achieved kills. IRL it was needed on average 3-5 30mm shells to down 4 engined bomber, 4-6 20mm shells to down a fighter. You can do it in this sim only with great luck, or with precise aiming for weak spots (which was, obviously, not the case ON AVERAGE in WW2). ONE 30mm hit was (again on average) liable to bring down twin egined aircraft, let alone single engined fighter...

Bearcat99
03-23-2005, 07:50 AM
In the future please refrain from using the term J** on these boards.


That is a great read!!

tsisqua
03-23-2005, 08:17 AM
Incredible? Yep!

I really do not expect FB/PF to be able to perfectly model the conditions that allowed this brave Japanese pilot to survive such a fantastic mission. It is, after all, limited to our computing power and AC flight models.

To me, the best part of this story can never be recreated. Namely, Satoru Anabuki's courage. Notice that his attack on the enemy bombers, although fierce, still is narrated by him with the utmost respect for the enemy crews. He even considered giving them a good luck wag when he was bingo ammo. Instead, he used the only weapon he had left, his plane's prop, to taran the enemy, probably expecting that the only comrades to see his bravery would be his departed ancestors, since this usually proved to be a fatal tactic. The gas odors, the pain in his woundeed hand, and the damaged condition of his plane only further served to confirm that this would probably be his end. He believed that his sacrifice would go to the greater good of his family and countrymen.

A single plane attacking a protected bomber formation. The best read on here in quite awhile.

Thank you. I truly enjoyed the story.

Tsisquahttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

tsisqua
03-23-2005, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
In the future please refrain from using the term J** on these boards.


That is a great read!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good on you, Bear, for not locking this thread over, what appears to me, to be a very respectful post with one faux pas. I see nothing here but admiration for and respect for this pilot. I'm sure that no harm was meant http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Tsisqua

LeadSpitter_
03-23-2005, 08:26 AM
bearcat its not a derogatory word, if you make us refrain from using j** i dont want to see anyone use brit yank tommy jerry etc.

your taking the censorship way to far, look at the many japanese who fly this game and on comms when you ask where are they from they say they are jap.

their posts were from j aircraft a very good web resource.

tsisqua
03-23-2005, 09:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>. . . when you ask where are they from they say they are jap.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not all of them, LS. I think that the ones taking the most offense are the Japanese-American pilots, and they made enough of a stink about it last year that the mods are forced to do this. Not Bear's fault.

Tsisqua

FatBoyHK
03-23-2005, 09:12 AM
indeed, I don't understand why J** is a offensive word. But if it is how the rule say, I will follow.

trumper
03-23-2005, 09:31 AM
What happened to the B24 he chewed up with his prop and landed on?,if it made it to base surely someone took a photo of the damage.Great bravery from all the aircrew.

anarchy52
03-23-2005, 09:38 AM
My apologies...didn't know that j** was insulting...
I guess I have to stop calling US pilots Yanks and RAF Brits or?

Man don't you just hate the political correctness bull****. I've heard there was a big fuss about "male" and "female" connectors apparently someone considered it sexist...

CAPT_COTTON
03-23-2005, 10:33 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif
I get up set if i am called a YANK cause i am from the south and on top of that i was born in texas and i dont like being called TEX neither and now that i live in arkanas i dont like beging called HILLBILLY my real nick name is COTTON and pettery sone i wont be called that cause it has a refernce to a black guy that lives down street and when he gets upset he calles himself a dumb ******
THe MODS you are talking about are the ones that are 13 to 16 years old and are having babys and wearing a cross around there neck and only talk to jeues and now that is what we call any one who comes over the border with out a green card [*******s when i was a kid]

i agree that jap pilot is one brave MAN and i would relly like to be able to do that when the chips are down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Waldo.Pepper
03-23-2005, 03:12 PM
Back on topic a little... thank you it was an incredible story. I read it a while ago but this time when I read it I couldn't help thinking what people would have said to the vitual pilot had this occurred online.

I think his two kills on P-38 would be called LUCKY SHOT! by the affected pilots, and his attack on the first B24 would be called UNREALISTIC NOOB TRICKS! by the B24----

The final insult would to have been to call his TARAN attack on the other B24 as a CHEAP SHOT by an UNWORTHY NOOB @SSHOLE! who is a CHEATER for RAMMING INTO THEM deliberately WHEN THE STUPID NOOB RAN OUT OF AMMO! (again by the victims of his attack.

After the Ki-43 slid off the B24 (apparently undamaged) all who were shot down/died at his hands would have cried out LAG LAG THATS ALL IT IS IS LAG. THIS PILOT IS A NO GOOD CHEATER THATS ALL!

And he would then be kicked to the delight of all who he wiped out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Aint life on line grand!

fabianfred
03-23-2005, 07:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tigertalon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
very nice read, thanks anarchy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
goes to show that <span class="ev_code_RED">Japanese</span> pilots sure had some balls and skills

however the only thing i could think of is that its so much harder to bring down planes in FB then it was IRL, i mean try to take out a couple of B24's
and P38's with only 2 MG's the way he discribes it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, like Werre_Fsck said in other post, all planes are way to tough. All weapons should be stronger. IRL pilots achieved 2% hits of all ammo fired on average, and they still achieved kills. IRL it was needed on average 3-5 30mm shells to down 4 engined bomber, 4-6 20mm shells to down a fighter. You can do it in this sim only with great luck, or with precise aiming for weak spots (which was, obviously, not the case ON AVERAGE in WW2). ONE 30mm hit was (again on average) liable to bring down twin egined aircraft, let alone single engined fighter... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

when I consider it necessary, i sometimes switch off 'realistic ammo'

ClnlSandersLite
03-23-2005, 09:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>bearcat its not a derogatory word, if you make us refrain from using j** i dont want to see anyone use brit yank tommy jerry etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As a southerner, I HATE bieng called a "yank". It's like calling a scot a brit... There are most probably quite a few scots that would cold **** you for that.

Enforcer572005
03-23-2005, 10:40 PM
If this happened in IL-2 (the origional one at least), all 50 of the gunners shooting at him would hve hit him in the engine with their first burst at maximum range, even if they were totally green rookies.

alot of damage for a pair of 50s.....must have been a great marksman.I don't think I could have been that cool with that many fifties shooting at me.