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Sokol__1
06-02-2009, 09:23 AM
Force Feedback... Dual throttle... Rudder in correct place... "Military" design..

http://img.xataka.com/2009/06/3588107104_a08e5a79f6.jpg

"In action" on Lock-On

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-NPdvWu5yM

Source: http://www.xataka.com/

Logitech PR: http://www.logitech.com/index....leases/6017&cl=us,en (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/press/press_releases/6017&cl=us,en)

Edit- Product page on Logitech

http://www.logitech.com/index....evices/5855&cl=us,en (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/joysticks/devices/5855&cl=us,en)
Video fron Logitech Blog:

http://blog.logitech.com/2009/...-flight-system-g940/ (http://blog.logitech.com/2009/06/02/e3-product-announcement-logitech-flight-system-g940/)

Sokol1

Sillius_Sodus
06-02-2009, 10:02 AM
Looks nice!

Warrington_Wolf
06-02-2009, 10:55 AM
It can't be that good, in the video the guy crashed his F-15 into a hanger at the end of the video http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif.
Actually if my CH gear ever goes **** up I would seriously consider this setup.

Buzzsaw-
06-02-2009, 11:06 AM
Salute

Looks like Logitech has realized CH Products is onto a good thing, and copied them.

The Stick with its button placement and modelling is almost an exact copy of a CH Products FIGHTERSTICK.

Whether they have as good a set of pots is another question.

na85
06-02-2009, 11:12 AM
I'd very much be interested in reading a review of this.

I'm sure logitech is well aware of their shoddy reputation and is trying to remedy that. Hopefully this is a quality product.

triad773
06-02-2009, 01:23 PM
Cool... but as I read the description it occurred to me that the stick is FFB- the throttle and pedals are not.

From that stance, aside from the buttons, it's no better than the setup I am using.

I know Logitech has a great racing wheel setup with a clutch pedal (in addition to the separate gearbox and wheel).

Will be interesting to see reviews none the less.

Waldo.Pepper
06-02-2009, 01:44 PM
$300 for something made by Logitech.

BillSwagger
06-02-2009, 01:57 PM
does it have auto redial and call waiting.??

Logitech seems to be hit and miss.

Seems like it might be comparable to other setups in that price range.

na85
06-02-2009, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
$300 for something made by Logitech.

Case in point http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bearcat99
06-02-2009, 03:11 PM
I'd have to hear some reviews on this..but it looks good and on paper it is sweet.

dadada1
06-02-2009, 03:45 PM
Logitech makes some of the best affordable steering wheels for driving sims for years now. Been using a G25 for sometime with no problems at all, I'm sure that at $300 it will be reliable.

BillyTheKid_22
06-02-2009, 04:04 PM
Cool!! Great Nice!!

Gibbage1
06-02-2009, 04:53 PM
I have always had faith in Logitech mice, but never found a stick I liked. Once my X-52 gives up, I may consider it! It looks VERY nice!

Stiletto-
06-02-2009, 05:02 PM
Don't compare a 50 dollar logitech controller to a 300 dollar logitech controller. It's apples and oranges. If you have exeperienced some of the more expensive, better quality logitech devices then you know you have nothing to worry about.

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-02-2009, 05:03 PM
Wow, I just looked at the specs and a couple things pop out (bolded):

Software

o I-FORCE™ Force Feedback Technology Licensed from Immersion Corporation.
o Logitech™ Gaming Software for Windows™

Technical Specifications
Joystick

o Precision force feedback
o 2-stage metal trigger
o POV Control Switch
o 8-way hat switch
o Six programmable buttons
o Pinkie shift button
o Three analog trim controls
o Contactless X & Y positional sensor
o Rubber feet with base mounting points

Dual throttle

o Split design throttle with interlock and adjustable tension
o Two 4-way hat switches
o Four programmable buttons on grip
o Two rotary analog controls
o Eight programmable base buttons with independent interactive LED backlighting and user changeable legends
o 3-position mode switch
o Rubber feet with base mounting points

Rudder pedals

o Realistic rudder pedals with stainless steel treads
o Toe brakes
o Adjustable resistance control
o Retractable carpet lock
o Rubber feet with base mounting points

na85
06-02-2009, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:

Contactless X & Y positional sensor

That's nifty. I wonder if they went the Hall Effect route or used something else?

DocLiv
06-02-2009, 06:35 PM
Nice!

redhornet07
06-02-2009, 08:48 PM
I for one am VERY glad to see Logitech making a product like this. The more competition the better. I have the CH setup myself, so I won't be getting the Logitech one, but $300 for stick, throttle and pedals, that's a good deal, period (not to mention force feedback). Like was mentioned earlier, Logitech's highend products are quality stuff (their motorsport wheels and pedals are excellent), I'm very much looking foward to reading reviews about this HOTAS setup.

Also, the fact that another large manufacurer has decided to compete in a niche market is a good sign for the flight sim community in general. A decision was made high up in the Logitech corporate structure to spend alot of money on developing this product, which means they obviously believe they can make money on it and that they feel there will be demand for it (and maybe they also think there will be more flight sims on the market in the near future).

This is very good.

Bearcat99
06-02-2009, 09:11 PM
It is funny.. I remember talking to Saitek's people here a few years back (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4241044265?r=4241044265#4241044265).. about this very thing... and they came up with a bunch of other stuff.. but it looks like they let Logitech beat them to the punch on this one.. I may just put my brand spanking new never been used still in the original box with plastic wrap http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif MSFFB2 for sale on Ebay..... I see them going used for $150-$200... so I figure that price for a new one is a no brainer... especially considering I am still using my old spare from 2002.. I started using that when FB came out.. and I let my son use mu=y old one.. which is still working BTW to fly IL2.

dadada1
06-02-2009, 09:20 PM
I'll be buying without reservation, like I said their high end stuff is well made and the FFB effects are really positive. This is a great opportunity to own a completey integrated well made set of controls. I just wish I wasn't into driving sims as well, means I have to shuffle stuff around switching between sims which is a pain.

Stiletto-
06-02-2009, 10:15 PM
Yeah, I hope there is an option for it to come without the pedals at a lower price, because my Logitiech G25 pedals work just fine and it would be silly to keep switching them around all the time. Not that I need to think about that now as my X52 is still holding up.

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-03-2009, 06:31 AM
I-FORCE™ Force Feedback Technology Licensed from Immersion Corporation.


This is what got me going, this is the same FFB software as the MS FFB2 used IIRC!

funkster319
06-03-2009, 01:19 PM
Hmmmm I currently have an old MSFFB2 joystick , CH Fighterstick,Pro Throttle and Pedals. (Also got CH Yoke and quadrant)

Is this any good - I like the idea of FFB and also the trim controls, the split throttle and the pedals look good.

Any good ? Is it time to sell my kit?

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-03-2009, 02:19 PM
No one knows, it's not for sale until september, we'll find out though.

TheFamilyMan
06-03-2009, 02:40 PM
All the goodness of an X52 with pedals (and possibly better) AND ALSO FFB!!! My only gripe is the pedals: why did they put that silly bar across the foot pads? If you are not wearing something with heels (I'm usually in socks or slippers when flying), it'll be really uncomfortable. Let's see...should I wear my cowboy boots or dress shoes??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Now I know what I want for Christmas this year...maybe

Gammelpreusse
06-03-2009, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by TheFamilyMan:
All the goodness of an X52 with pedals (and possibly better) AND ALSO FFB!!! My only gripe is the pedals: why did they put that silly bar across the foot pads? If you are not wearing something with heels (I'm usually in socks or slippers when flying), it'll be really uncomfortable. Let's see...should I wear my cowboy boots or dress shoes??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Now I know what I want for Christmas this year...maybe

This is serious sim material for sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
06-03-2009, 05:24 PM
They should lower the price IMO. For the price they have listed you can get CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and the pedals. For the same price you can get a superior product. Looks ok though.

S!

dadada1
06-03-2009, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
They should lower the price IMO. For the price they have listed you can get CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and the pedals. For the same price you can get a superior product. Looks ok though.

S!

How can you know possibly know it's superior?

CH also has no FFB as far as I know which is a huge disdvantage. I've thought about getting a CH stick and for normal flight sims I'm sure they're good, but without FFB in this kind of sim I just can't take them seriously.

steiner562
06-03-2009, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by dadada1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
They should lower the price IMO. For the price they have listed you can get CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and the pedals. For the same price you can get a superior product. Looks ok though.

S!

How can you know possibly know it's superior?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We can only go by whats on the market now,CH is superior to all atm in performance,lastability and style,I'll wait for the reviews but I doubt I'll be changing from my CH set up anytime soon,to be honest it looks like an expensive X-52 setup with FFB,I personally dont care about FFB to the point I will trust Logitech(until I see some reviews that say otherwise) I want my products to last more than 6 months and be precise which CH provides by its brilliant products and aftersales reputation.

Bearcat99
06-03-2009, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
They should lower the price IMO. For the price they have listed you can get CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and the pedals. For the same price you can get a superior product. Looks ok though.

S!

If you go to CH's website for the fighterstick,pedals& throttle you will be dropping $450.. if you lok around you will be able to get the whole shebang for @ $325 give or take a Jackson here or there.. Whether or not CH is superior reains to be seen.. but for features.. for what I want... the Logitech has CH beat. In fact if this thing is well made it may very well raise the bar for flight sim HOTAS setups from here on out. As for the pros/cons of FFB.. I could care less for the gunshake etc... but FFB stick forces alone have any spring setup beat out of the gate... IMO anyway.

dadada1
06-03-2009, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by dadada1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by steiner562:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dadada1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
They should lower the price IMO. For the price they have listed you can get CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and the pedals. For the same price you can get a superior product. Looks ok though.

S!

How can you know possibly know it's superior?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We can only go by whats on the market now,CH is superior to all atm in performance,lastability and style,I'll wait for the reviews but I doubt I'll be changing from my CH set up anytime soon,to be honest it looks like an expensive X-52 setup with FFB,I personally dont care about FFB to the point I will trust Logitech(until I see some reviews that say otherwise) I want my products to last more than 6 months and be precise which CH provides by its brilliant products and aftersales reputation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your loss perhaps but I really can't imagine flying without FFB. It gives you so information helping you predict when a stall is about to occur, I don't care to fly without it.

Regarding the prejudice there appears to be toward Logitech. Anyone thats ever used one of there high end wheels will tell you they are extremely durable and resistant to abuse and their after sales service is also good. Couldn't it be the case that Logitech has evolved as a company in both these areas ? To me this looks a far more serious product than the X52 ever did. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

steiner562
06-03-2009, 06:53 PM
Ya we will see dadada1,dont get me wrong I just never try and get over enthusastic about a product before it arrives...,that usualy leads to disappointment in my experience, goodluck to all you Guinea pig force feedback nuts that that try it out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

horseback
06-03-2009, 07:07 PM
This longtime CH user has gone through about four Logitech joysticks. None lasted longer than 5 months before the rot set in. They looked good, felt good, and promptly fell apart.

They may make nice wheels, mice, and speakers, but Logitech has NO credibility when it comes to flight controllers. Plus, their software has shown an ugly tendency to show up where it's not wanted.

I've had my 'base' CH setup for six years now, averaging over 10 hours a week for most of that time without a glitch. That is the standard you have to beat now.

I'd love an FFB stick, but I also want my quality. This new HOTAS/Pedals setup looks very nice, but it will have to still be getting rave reviews three years from now before they get me to think of boxing up my CH Products gear...

cheers

horseback

dadada1
06-03-2009, 07:21 PM
Okay http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gifhttp://www.petsworld.co.uk/images/guinea-pig.jpg

Tully__
06-04-2009, 04:38 AM
I too am not fond of previous Logitech flight controller offerings, however given this is priced in the same region as their higher quality driving kit I'm going to reserve judgement for a bit and see how they review.

Bearcat99
06-04-2009, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by dadada1:
Regarding the prejudice there appears to be toward Logitech. Anyone thats ever used one of there high end wheels will tell you they are extremely durable and resistant to abuse and their after sales service is also good. Couldn't it be the case that Logitech has evolved as a company in both these areas ? To me this looks a far more serious product than the X52 ever did. [/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call it prejudice per se... I have owned 3 Logitech sticks in my day.. and they all were poorly made.. People who own the same Logitech stick for longer than 18 months with daily use and no problems are the exception not the rule. That's a fact. Like HB said.. great mice, keyboards, speakers,headsets... and maybe even racing wheels.. (I never owned one) but the joysticks that have been putting out over the past 10 years have all been substandard when compared to the other products out there from thye low end to the higher end.

Be all that as it may be.. I am willing to give this system a shot... feature wise it looks great. I will just get a replacement plan with it if I buy it retail..

jayhall0315
06-04-2009, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by horseback:
This longtime CH user has gone through about four Logitech joysticks. None lasted longer than 5 months before the rot set in. They looked good, felt good, and promptly fell apart.

They may make nice wheels, mice, and speakers, but Logitech has NO credibility when it comes to flight controllers. Plus, their software has shown an ugly tendency to show up where it's not wanted.

I've had my 'base' CH setup for six years now, averaging over 10 hours a week for most of that time without a glitch. That is the standard you have to beat now.

I'd love an FFB stick, but I also want my quality. This new HOTAS/Pedals setup looks very nice, but it will have to still be getting rave reviews three years from now before they get me to think of boxing up my CH Products gear...

cheers

horseback

I was fortunate to have the full CH Products line up (including a Franken Potato Revised 2 by Ken King), an X-52 Pro HOTAS and a Cougar HOTAS when I wrote my Newbie's Guide to IL2 Joystick Setup guide.

.... and I still have all three.

The Cougar is not smooth in the middle of the stick and the springs are too tight. I made some modifications as per instructions at Cougar's World but I still am not that happy. I guess if I had another $500 or more, and I was willing to wait 2 months, I could send it to Australia for a full Hall sensor upgrade and the works, but that seems ridiculous to me.

The X-52 Pro HOTAS is , uhhmmmm okay. I would best describe it as a high end toy (with flashing lights). The throttle is the real gem and I love the rotaries. The stick, less so. It twists slightly even when unwanted (or locked) and the lacks precision at center. The whole HOTAS also goes wonky in Vista every once in awhile. .... not pleasant.

CH Fighterstick and the Franken Potato ....rocking. Very tough and very precise. Almost one year in, and same as day one. Another great benefit, is that no mods or home tomfoolery is needed to get them to 'work'. They kick a$$ right out of the box. Pro Pedals need a valved four bar rocker mechanism and just dont cut if for me.

I have not tried this MS FFB2 stick that Bearcat and others rave about so much. As for this new Logitech 940 stuff, I would tend to agree with Horseback (hey, we agree on something http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). I am all for FFB and proprioceptive feedback, ... but it cant be a gimmick.

I will let folks like Bearcat, really hit this 940 stuff week in and week out for months to see if it really stands up. The G25 racing wheel stuff is pretty good I hear, but many of the regular Logitech sticks are not. Time will tell, but I remain hopeful.

dadada1
06-04-2009, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dadada1:
Regarding the prejudice there appears to be toward Logitech. Anyone thats ever used one of there high end wheels will tell you they are extremely durable and resistant to abuse and their after sales service is also good. Couldn't it be the case that Logitech has evolved as a company in both these areas ? To me this looks a far more serious product than the X52 ever did.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>I wouldn't call it prejudice per se... I have owned 3 Logitech sticks in my day.. and they all were poorly made.. People who own the same Logitech stick for longer than 18 months with daily use and no problems are the exception not the rule. That's a fact. Like HB said.. great mice, keyboards, speakers,headsets... and maybe even racing wheels.. (I never owned one) but the joysticks that have been putting out over the past 10 years have all been substandard when compared to the other products out there from thye low end to the higher end.

Be all that as it may be.. I am willing to give this system a shot... feature wise it looks great. I will just get a replacement plan with it if I buy it retail..[/QUOTE]


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifPoint taken Bearcat, I've never owned a Logitech stick of any kind so I haven't had the poor experiences that others have. I've always used a Microsoft controller (best in my opinion)but I'm going to approach G940 with an open mind and hope what they've learned with their wheels they'll apply to this set-up.

Black_Ops7
06-04-2009, 12:31 PM
More pics to drool over:

http://www.engadget.com/photos...itechs-g940/2055753/ (http://www.engadget.com/photos/logitechs-g940/2055753/)

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-04-2009, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Black_Ops7:
More pics to drool over:

http://www.engadget.com/photos...itechs-g940/2055753/ (http://www.engadget.com/photos/logitechs-g940/2055753/)

Wow, now I like it even more, look at all the stuff on the throttle! I may seriosly give this a try, my X52 throttle is dying, the hat switch and the two rotaries are dead.

TheFamilyMan
06-04-2009, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by Black_Ops7:
More pics to drool over:

http://www.engadget.com/photos...itechs-g940/2055753/ (http://www.engadget.com/photos/logitechs-g940/2055753/) That second axis of the split throttle can be used for elevator trim....sweeeeettt!!!! I'm still bummed about those foot pads...I hope they reconsider them in the final design; I'll send something to Logitech to let them know my distress! Anyone around here wear flight boots while sim flying?

dadada1
06-04-2009, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by TheFamilyMan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Black_Ops7:
More pics to drool over:

http://www.engadget.com/photos...itechs-g940/2055753/ (http://www.engadget.com/photos/logitechs-g940/2055753/) That second axis of the split throttle can be used for elevator trim....sweeeeettt!!!! I'm still bummed about those foot pads...I hope they reconsider them in the final design; I'll send something to Logitech to let them know my distress! Anyone around here wear flight boots while sim flying? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think you need worry, I bet you can dismantle the pedals and remove the offending bars if you want.

ash1976
06-04-2009, 07:50 PM
If it plays as solid as it looks then I'm possibly in for about £180 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Compares well pricewise to a Saitek X52pro + peddle setup so will be interesting, and as everyone says includes FFB (yet to experience so intrigued!)

3 - 4 months til release tho, then review time, order/delivery time, etc = Xmas present written allover it!

Til then I'll suck, stall, trigger twitch, snap roll and plough fields with my prop until the uber joystick of my dreams with full forum approval is delivered and I become the Michael Knight of the skies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"dun de d'laa, dun de d'laaaa, dun de de dun d'daaaaaaaaaaaaagh
Dun dedededededede, Dun dedededededededede
dun de de dun d'daaaaaaaaaaaaagh"

'Highly maneouverable german uber fighter at 6'o'clock Michael'
'Thats ok Kit, they actaully pimped the FM (it says so on the forum [ALLEGEDLY]) so lets roll this good 'ol US automatic bloatwagon up a gear and pull some stunts!'
'Ok Michael, but in reality we could just cut to the credits, no-ones gonna get hurt - we're in mid-80's mode just like the A-team!!'
'Sweet kit, then can I use Il2joy to set my spare throttle axis as an 80's Hoffmeister Perm trim level controller??'
'Dammit Michael, always with the MODS - thats why we're on channel 5!!!'

Oooh, its been a long day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

TooCooL34
06-05-2009, 12:57 PM
Seems good and excited by new competition in sim hardware genre.
Only one concern for me is..
Space between pedals is too narrow, my balls!

Benchmark Saitek's. It's quite good in that regard.

Bearcat99
06-05-2009, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by TooCooL34:
Seems good and excited by new competition in sim hardware genre.
Only one concern for me is..
Space between pedals is too narrow, my balls!

Benchmark Saitek's. It's quite good in that regard.

Thats why I like the Saiteks better.. but look at that construction... it looks like the pedals have metal plates.. It wouldnt be too hard to cut the bedals off and extend them by @ 3 inches on either side. Wyho knows.. perhaps they are expandable.

squareusr
06-05-2009, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I-FORCE™ Force Feedback Technology Licensed from Immersion Corporation.


This is what got me going, this is the same FFB software as the MS FFB2 used IIRC! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No surprise considering that _every_ force feedback stick is an implementation of Immersion Corporation technology - any form of force feedback that is more than stupid rumble is covered by their patents, no matter if it is implemented by Microsoft, Saitek or Logitech.

Gammelpreusse
06-05-2009, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by squareusr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I-FORCE™ Force Feedback Technology Licensed from Immersion Corporation.


This is what got me going, this is the same FFB software as the MS FFB2 used IIRC! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No surprise considering that _every_ force feedback stick is an implementation of Immersion Corporation technology - any form of force feedback that is more than stupid rumble is covered by their patents, no matter if it is implemented by Microsoft, Saitek or Logitech. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What technology to look out for then when hoping for something equal to the FFB2 in build quality?

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-05-2009, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by Gammelpreusse:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by squareusr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I-FORCE™ Force Feedback Technology Licensed from Immersion Corporation.


This is what got me going, this is the same FFB software as the MS FFB2 used IIRC! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No surprise considering that _every_ force feedback stick is an implementation of Immersion Corporation technology - any form of force feedback that is more than stupid rumble is covered by their patents, no matter if it is implemented by Microsoft, Saitek or Logitech. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What technology to look out for then when hoping for something equal to the FFB2 in build quality? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess until we gwet a review on this unit that nothing equals the FFB quality of the MS FFB2.

And you are indeed right squareusr , I had forgotten that.

BillSwagger
06-06-2009, 03:52 AM
Judging from that second batch of photos this product looks very promising. It has all the right knobs and buttons in the right place.

I doubt Logitech would gamble with putting out defective or shotty merchandise as some of their other products have fallen short in the past. If this also proves to be a failure or suffer the same short comings, then the Logitech name would probably disappear from the market all together.

KG26_Alpha
06-06-2009, 07:39 AM
Stainless steel pedals sound like some good production and QC here with FFB also !!!!!

Has anyone confirmed it all works with IL2 1946 yet ?


As an owner of two MSFFB2's its gotta go some to beat the precision of those servos.

squareusr
06-06-2009, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by Gammelpreusse:
What technology to look out for then when hoping for something equal to the FFB2 in build quality?

There's no secret sauce, it's just a question of how well the given technology is implemented.

On the software side, it's mostly a question of how easy the management will be satisfied. If the management assigns the engineers to a new task as soon as the stick shows any reaction to game events you end up with crappy FFB, if they are willing to ask "this is good, but can you do it better" over and over again you will eventually see MSFFB quality.

On the mechanic side of things the one important aspect is how smooth the motor-force can be overcome. This is a matter of the properties of the motor itself and the transmission. In terms of transmission, Logi had an interesting "belt drive" friction transmission, with a steel cable would around a steel cylinder instead of conventional gears. The base of more recent Logi FFB sticks seems to be to small for this method, so they probably went with something more conventional later (gears with all the roughness, decay and play coming with them). But the MSFFB2 had gears too (big ones!) so it can't be that bad.

I know that both my ancient Logitech (pre-twist-era, recently aquired to scavenge for a hypothetical FFB upgrade for my own stick) and the MSFFB1 use huge Johnson motors (probably earlier version of this (http://www.johnsonmotor.com/mediando/index.php?IdTreeGroup=49&IdProduct=1258) product, look at "typical applications") but their bases are much bigger than that of the coming 940.

Judging by the pics, i don't think one of those babies would fit in the FFB motor bulge on the left side of the Logi 940.

I just took a look at the innards of my Cyborg Evo Force (very small base), and it has much smaller motors inside. The most surprising part though are the optical slit counters attached to the motors. This means that the X/Y axis are contact-less even on the cheap Evo Force (unless they have additional pots hidden in the gimbals and only use the slit-counters for FFB, but this is extremely unlikely considering that even the throttle lever is read by a slit-counter like that). The really, really, bad thing about this is that the sensing of movements goes through all the indirections and play of the gears, severely limiting precision and responiveness. The rumor that the G940 was designed by former Saitek employees together with the "coincidence" that the advertised contact-less axes happen to be the same as the FFB axes could easily make one fear the worst.

But these are, of course, speculations. Much better speculations could be made if someone leaked pics of the internals of the stick. Actual expectations could be made once prototypes get tested by people who actually know something about flight sim gear and not only by "gadget experts" who point at everything shiny and never used a flight sim since they got disappointed by Strike Commander. Knowledge won't be available before someone can compare a G940 after a year of wear and tear to an MSFFB2 of similar wear level (aka. "near mint").

squareusr
06-06-2009, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by KG26_Alpha:
Stainless steel pedals sound like some good production
The closeup views of the pedals available on the net suggest that the "pads" (lacking a better word, the areas that are touched by the soles of your feet) are thin sheet metal screwed to a plastic base, chances are high that this is the "stainless steel" they are talking about. Small useless stainless steel applications like that have become a trademark of cheap chinese products in recent years. Doesn't necessarily mean that this has to be one of them, and protecting the "sole area" with a surface like that is certainly a good idea, but i would not let my expectations rise too high.



Has anyone confirmed it all works with IL2 1946 yet ?
IL-2 specific software for the flashing buttons has been announced, but it certainly will be a DeviceLink client, and therefore be limited by the online mode limitations.

VMF-214_HaVoK
06-06-2009, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
They should lower the price IMO. For the price they have listed you can get CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and the pedals. For the same price you can get a superior product. Looks ok though.

S!

If you go to CH's website for the fighterstick,pedals& throttle you will be dropping $450.. if you lok around you will be able to get the whole shebang for @ $325 give or take a Jackson here or there.. Whether or not CH is superior reains to be seen.. but for features.. for what I want... the Logitech has CH beat. In fact if this thing is well made it may very well raise the bar for flight sim HOTAS setups from here on out. As for the pros/cons of FFB.. I could care less for the gunshake etc... but FFB stick forces alone have any spring setup beat out of the gate... IMO anyway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I paid 299 for my CH setup.

How do I know CH is superior without even trying Logitechs new setup one would ask? The answer is simple really. Experience. Thats my personal opinion.

S!

VMF-214_HaVoK
06-06-2009, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by KG26_Alpha:
Has anyone confirmed it all works with IL2 1946 yet ?

Compatibility

* Game support: Works with PC flight simulators including Microsoft® Flight Simulator X, IL-2 Sturmovik™: 1946, Falcon: Allied Force, Lock On: Modern Air Combat X-Plane 9, Enemy Engaged 2, and DCS: Black Shark

Bearcat99
06-06-2009, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
They should lower the price IMO. For the price they have listed you can get CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and the pedals. For the same price you can get a superior product. Looks ok though.

S!

If you go to CH's website for the fighterstick,pedals& throttle you will be dropping $450.. if you lok around you will be able to get the whole shebang for @ $325 give or take a Jackson here or there.. Whether or not CH is superior reains to be seen.. but for features.. for what I want... the Logitech has CH beat. In fact if this thing is well made it may very well raise the bar for flight sim HOTAS setups from here on out. As for the pros/cons of FFB.. I could care less for the gunshake etc... but FFB stick forces alone have any spring setup beat out of the gate... IMO anyway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I paid 299 for my CH setup.

How do I know CH is superior without even trying Logitechs new setup one would ask? The answer is simple really. Experience. Thats my personal opinion.

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL.. well I remember your Saitek video.. but no question CH makes a good product... and again.. whether or not this measures up remains to be seen. But I like the fetures on that setup better than what's on the CHs......

jayhall0315
06-06-2009, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by BillSwagger:
Judging from that second batch of photos this product looks very promising. It has all the right knobs and buttons in the right place.

I doubt Logitech would gamble with putting out defective or shotty merchandise as some of their other products have fallen short in the past. If this also proves to be a failure or suffer the same short comings, then the Logitech name would probably disappear from the market all together.

Logitech is a multi-billion dollar company with operations worldwide in multiple markets. Their operations and revenue are freely available as per Swiss government law. You will see that something like the G25 racing wheel set or the upcoming G940 flight sim HOTAS are (will be) a very tiny bit of Logitch's total revenue.

Gibbage1
06-06-2009, 03:20 PM
They still cant afford a bad name. No company can afford a reputation for shotty workmanship. Then again, Logitech have been doing it for years with there standard flight sticks. On other other side of that, those are $50 each, not $300.

dadada1
06-06-2009, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by dadada1:
The G25 has been a big earner for Logitech and they've sold millions worldwide. When it was first released it was around the $300 mark and prices have now dropped considerably plus you can pick them up second hand. These wheels have a reputation for superb force feeback effects and durabilitly (Sony also endorse their products as they make the official wheels for the Gran Turismo series). For $300 I'm not expecting the quality to be different but we'll see.

Stiletto-
06-06-2009, 06:07 PM
I own a G25, I got one when they first came out 2 and a half years ago. You might think it's apples and oranges but for years Logitech has been the leader in forcefeedback racing wheels. They had some cheap non-ff wheels in the $30 range years ago, and I can't comment on the quality of those, but then they weren't really made for the caliber of a serious racing sim.

Now there Force-Feedback wheels have been in competition from everyone over the past 10 years from Microsoft to Saitek and Act Labs, let alone some more small specialzed companies, and until the Fantech GT3 Porsche Wheel that is coming out now, nothing else has stacked up against the G25 in the past 2 and a half years, be it from precision, quality components, functionality or reliability.

Dual FF Motors and Optical pots, this is not the things of 30 dollar plastic toys. Some of you guys might think I am comparing apples and oranges, but when Logitech wants to make quality high-end unit they do.. Better than most others.

horseback
06-06-2009, 06:21 PM
All this rationalizing about the suggested price for this setup reminds me forcefully of the sattelite (can't remember if it's the Dish or some other) Network's commercial that depicts the local cable company's execs trying to counter the loss of clients:

The sleaziest looking one opines:"We can't improve our product, but we can improve our price-we'll make it higher!"

The simple fact is that bad quality is bad faith to the customer. The cold blooded calculation is that we'll behave badly by providing a low quality product that attracts x number of sales in a niche market. Of that number, y will not use it long enough to have it go bad on them, and z will just throw up their hands in disgust and go buy something with a better reputation. Only a small percentage are going to be a pain in the @ss, come back to us and demand their money back, and we can stave them off by insisting that they take a replacement instead...

As I've said, $300.00 to replace something that already works very well is too much without an assurance of quality. If the thing is still on the market in three years, and everyone who owns one is still singing its praises...THEN, and ONLY then, will I start putting my pennies aside for one.

On the other hand, CH might put out its own FFB stick by then, and I will buy that if it means skipping meals and riding a bike to work.

cheers

horseback

Gammelpreusse
06-06-2009, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by squareusr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gammelpreusse:
What technology to look out for then when hoping for something equal to the FFB2 in build quality?

There's no secret sauce, it's just a question of how well the given technology is implemented.

On the software side, it's mostly a question of how easy the management will be satisfied. If the management assigns the engineers to a new task as soon as the stick shows any reaction to game events you end up with crappy FFB, if they are willing to ask "this is good, but can you do it better" over and over again you will eventually see MSFFB quality.

On the mechanic side of things the one important aspect is how smooth the motor-force can be overcome. This is a matter of the properties of the motor itself and the transmission. In terms of transmission, Logi had an interesting "belt drive" friction transmission, with a steel cable would around a steel cylinder instead of conventional gears. The base of more recent Logi FFB sticks seems to be to small for this method, so they probably went with something more conventional later (gears with all the roughness, decay and play coming with them). But the MSFFB2 had gears too (big ones!) so it can't be that bad.

I know that both my ancient Logitech (pre-twist-era, recently aquired to scavenge for a hypothetical FFB upgrade for my own stick) and the MSFFB1 use huge Johnson motors (probably earlier version of this (http://www.johnsonmotor.com/mediando/index.php?IdTreeGroup=49&IdProduct=1258) product, look at "typical applications") but their bases are much bigger than that of the coming 940.

Judging by the pics, i don't think one of those babies would fit in the FFB motor bulge on the left side of the Logi 940.

I just took a look at the innards of my Cyborg Evo Force (very small base), and it has much smaller motors inside. The most surprising part though are the optical slit counters attached to the motors. This means that the X/Y axis are contact-less even on the cheap Evo Force (unless they have additional pots hidden in the gimbals and only use the slit-counters for FFB, but this is extremely unlikely considering that even the throttle lever is read by a slit-counter like that). The really, really, bad thing about this is that the sensing of movements goes through all the indirections and play of the gears, severely limiting precision and responiveness. The rumor that the G940 was designed by former Saitek employees together with the "coincidence" that the advertised contact-less axes happen to be the same as the FFB axes could easily make one fear the worst.

But these are, of course, speculations. Much better speculations could be made if someone leaked pics of the internals of the stick. Actual expectations could be made once prototypes get tested by people who actually know something about flight sim gear and not only by "gadget experts" who point at everything shiny and never used a flight sim since they got disappointed by Strike Commander. Knowledge won't be available before someone can compare a G940 after a year of wear and tear to an MSFFB2 of similar wear level (aka. "near mint"). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks a lot, squareusr! That was a very neat little overview in regards to the topic.
I guess it's wait and see then. But should stick forces, prescision and build quality equal the FFB2, it's mine.

zardozid
06-06-2009, 06:59 PM
I want (need) a new joystick...can i wait til September??? This looks like it might be the answer to my needs. Good god!!!! First I try the game mods, then i buy Vista...NOW I'm going to buy a Logitech joystick???!!! Whats happening to meeeeeeee....

http://th08.deviantart.com/fs8/300W/i/2005/273/3/0/HEY_got_brain__by_Brain_Damaged.jpg

VMF-214_HaVoK
06-07-2009, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
They should lower the price IMO. For the price they have listed you can get CH Fighterstick, Throttle, and the pedals. For the same price you can get a superior product. Looks ok though.

S!

If you go to CH's website for the fighterstick,pedals& throttle you will be dropping $450.. if you lok around you will be able to get the whole shebang for @ $325 give or take a Jackson here or there.. Whether or not CH is superior reains to be seen.. but for features.. for what I want... the Logitech has CH beat. In fact if this thing is well made it may very well raise the bar for flight sim HOTAS setups from here on out. As for the pros/cons of FFB.. I could care less for the gunshake etc... but FFB stick forces alone have any spring setup beat out of the gate... IMO anyway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I paid 299 for my CH setup.

How do I know CH is superior without even trying Logitechs new setup one would ask? The answer is simple really. Experience. Thats my personal opinion.

S! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL.. well I remember your Saitek video.. but no question CH makes a good product... and again.. whether or not this measures up remains to be seen. But I like the fetures on that setup better than what's on the CHs...... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That wasnt my video bud. It was Pappy's. Although my Hotas did suffer a malfunction (twist axis died). But I opted to send mine to a friend who was willing to get CH pedals.

S!

VMF-214_HaVoK
06-07-2009, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
They still cant afford a bad name. No company can afford a reputation for shotty workmanship. Then again, Logitech have been doing it for years with there standard flight sticks. On other other side of that, those are $50 each, not $300.

Good point. And hopefully Logitech did the research and invested the time to built a quality setup deserving of that price tag. Usually the price listed on the manufacturers is a good bit higher then the prices found at the retailers. Personally I would like to see them come in around 225 or so to give those out there who want to go to a stick, throttle, pedal setup a decent option at a decent price. It took me many years flying this sim before I could get my CH setup.

S!

Mr_Zooly
06-07-2009, 01:50 PM
I see the price in $ and how things work out for us Brits we will have to pay double or thereabouts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

dadada1
06-07-2009, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by Mr_Zooly:
I see the price in $ and how things work out for us Brits we will have to pay double or thereabouts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

No, as an ex-pat it'll be around 300 pounds although its still robbery. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

ash1976
06-07-2009, 05:17 PM
online currency conversion:

299.00 USD = 187.494 GBP

compared to a full on CH or Saitek setup with pedals seems reasonable to me? & the cost of buying in the UK & minimal shipping for expats should avoid any huge overheads? (& if you're near an Easyjet route I'd be happy to courier for a pullout bed and a pint http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Granted its still:

94.2 McD's happy meals
3 years 11 months and 19 days basic rental from Lovefilm.com (Blockbuster by post!)
18,749 mojo's (80's penny sweets for those that remember!!
34.67 mins with a reputable escort agency

but if Logitech can deliver on quality that looks like a reasonable budget compared to the other offerings in the market?

Only thing I would say is; in all of the online coverage has anyone seen the trigger/front of stick setup? and hand rest looks to be fixed/non adjustable.

dadada1
06-07-2009, 05:24 PM
Thanks ash, wow you really do have too much spare time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The thing I was getting at was that if you see something on sale in the US for $300 dollars by the time it reahces rip off Britain you find for some reason your paying 300 pounds. The (fair and honest) currency convertion generally doesn't figure in the pricing by the time shops in the UK have decided their markup.

One of the many reasons I deserted and now live in the land of Uncle Sam.

Tully__
06-16-2009, 03:41 AM
Bump coz of this:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...3110283/m/6841030467 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/6841030467)

Bearcat99
06-16-2009, 06:18 AM
Man Tully... that kind of reminds me of one of those "temporal loops" fron Star Trek...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

skarden
06-16-2009, 06:31 AM
Ah yeah that was my bad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif although I do think these could be very good if they are done well,and as mentioned,when Logitech do something well it does tend to be very good.
I'll be sticking with my Saitek X-52 and pedals for now but when they kick the bucket this looks like it's be perfect,especialy since I'v been bitten by the DCS bug recently(awsome game for those who havn't tried it yet!)this with my new Belkin n52te button bay would be an almost perfect setup for me.

Really looking forward to some reviews when it's released.

Tully__
06-16-2009, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Man Tully... that kind of reminds me of one of those "temporal loops" fron Star Trek...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Worf101
06-16-2009, 06:52 AM
Hmmm I've held off on this topic because, much like the flame wars that preceeded Inte's release of the Core2Duo, there's no sense arguing about what you can't buy. But I will say that as a Simped owner, the narrow "look" of the pedals really gives me pause. As a previous poster wrote "my b**ls!" I've grown quite fond of them over the last 50 plus years, I can't go back to squooshing them like when I had CH pedals.

Da Worfster

Gibbage1
06-18-2009, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Worf101:
But I will say that as a Simped owner, the narrow "look" of the pedals really gives me pause.

From reading an E3 preview at Sim-HQ, its exactly that, only a look of being narrow. In reality, the pedals are just VERY wide, and the writer who used them felt they were not narrow at all. I will reserve judgment till its out.

R_Target
06-18-2009, 05:21 PM
If it tracks better than MSFFB2, I might check it out.

Bearcat99
06-18-2009, 06:31 PM
I will get it to replace this:

http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/100_2686_0.JPG

Sokol__1
06-18-2009, 07:30 PM
look of being narrow.

Postedd by Mark Starrett in SimHQ:



The Dimensions of Logitech Flight System G940 are (L x W x H):
o Joystick: 228.0 x 194.0 x 247.8 millimeters
o Throttle: 228.0 x 194.0 x 183.9 millimeters
o Rudder pedals: 350.9 x 338.0 x 168.2 millimeters


Sokol1

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-19-2009, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by Sokol__1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">look of being narrow.

Postedd by Mark Starrett in SimHQ:



The Dimensions of Logitech Flight System G940 are (L x W x H):
o Joystick: 228.0 x 194.0 x 247.8 millimeters
o Throttle: 228.0 x 194.0 x 183.9 millimeters
o Rudder pedals: 350.9 x 338.0 x 168.2 millimeters


Sokol1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Short on time so can't google for it right now, can someone dig up the specs for CH and Saitek rudder pedals to compare?

Tully__
06-19-2009, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sokol__1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">look of being narrow.

Postedd by Mark Starrett in SimHQ:



The Dimensions of Logitech Flight System G940 are (L x W x H):
o Joystick: 228.0 x 194.0 x 247.8 millimeters
o Throttle: 228.0 x 194.0 x 183.9 millimeters
o Rudder pedals: 350.9 x 338.0 x 168.2 millimeters


Sokol1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Short on time so can't google for it right now, can someone dig up the specs for CH and Saitek rudder pedals to compare? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
CH Pro Pedals:
Dimensions: 8.00" h x 13.50" w x 16.00" l, 10.00 pounds
Metric: 20.3cm h x 34.3cm w x 40.64cm l, 4.55kg
Source: http://astore.amazon.com/hover...20/detail/B0000512IE (http://astore.amazon.com/hovercontrol-20/detail/B0000512IE)

Saitek Pro Flight Pedals
16 x 16.5 x 7 inches ; 6.5 pounds
40.6cm x 41.9cm x 17.8cm, 2.95kg
Source: http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-P...Pedals/dp/B000H67DDY (http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Pro-Flight-Rudder-Pedals/dp/B000H67DDY)

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-19-2009, 04:17 PM
So they are actually a little narrower than CH, ouch...

DD_crash
06-20-2009, 09:30 AM
Just seen the Saitck forum (http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=11746&page=5) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Looks like we are going to see something quite soon. Thanks to Bearcat for kicking this off.

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-20-2009, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by DD_crash:
Just seen the Saitck forum (http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=11746&page=5) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Looks like we are going to see something quite soon. Thanks to Bearcat for kicking this off.

Oh this is good! This is going to be a good couple years for simming!

steiner562
06-20-2009, 10:22 AM
Just had a look on the Saitek forum,that orginal poll seems to indicate it would be force feed back for the x52 model and not a whole new hotas?,atleast their thinking of expansion I guess.

Gibbage1
06-20-2009, 01:26 PM
It takes a long time to develop new hardware. Unless they have had this on the "back burner" for years, we wont see it for a very long time.

DD_crash
06-21-2009, 04:52 AM
We see nothing wrong with people discussing the competition provided it doesn't descend into vitriol.

Yes, we strongly suspected something like the G940 was coming and yes, we do have something in answer to it. However, right now all I can tell you is that it's going to be probably the most realistic controller ever released for home simming.

More than that I can't say right now but I'm hoping to have something to show people later in the Summer.
It has been a long time since it was proposed so I go along with Saiteks statement http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

hirosangels
07-18-2009, 12:59 AM
Dilemma . . .

that does look nice. I have $$ for pedals and hotas . . . features, and the potential for it being a MS F stick clone . . .


arrgh too bad its not out now.


I have 300, originally going for a CH set up hotas and pedals . . .

But those spartans could be used to get the new logitech, and I could review for community.

However I would have to wait 5 months w/out a HOTAS (no issue as I played MiG Alley with just MS FFB . . . but MiG alley on full realistic was easier than IL-2) 2 mo for it to come out and 3 more to wait for early adopters to review it. Aint no way I'm in a financial position to burn 300 like at the gates of fire.

But my gut is telling me to go with CH, its out now, its tried and true (based on many a review), no waiting to order it . . .

jayhall0315
07-18-2009, 03:14 AM
Probably, many of you guys have seen it before, but I was fortunate to have a chance to fully test the Logitech G940 before I went on vacation and you can read the full review here:

http://mission4today.com/index...ile=viewtopic&t=6666 (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=ForumsPro&file=viewtopic&t=6666)

To answer some of the main points of this thread:

Is this high quality stuff ? - Yes, better than Saitek X-52 or X-52 Pro IMO and about equal to CH Products.

How wide are the pedals - Almost the same as the CH Pro Pedals but very slightly smoother.

Is the force feedback better than the MSFFB2 stick ? - Good question, I have nothing to compare it to, so lets wait until Bearcat gets one into his hands.

Does it work fine in IL2 1946, LOMAC and FSX ? - Yes, perfectly.... zero problems. Have not tested in Falcon 4.0 cause I dont own that sim.

Hope this helps out - S!

Bearcat99
07-18-2009, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by DD_crash:
Just seen the Saitck forum (http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=11746&page=5) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Looks like we are going to see something quite soon. Thanks to Bearcat for kicking this off.

Wow.... that was from 2 years ago....

FFB HOTAS Would you want one! (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3401016855?r=3401016855#3401016855)
and also this followup thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4241044265?r=4241044265#4241044265) on the same subject.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Wow..... it will be great if this all pans out to our mutual benefit by giving us more & better choices.

BillSwagger
07-18-2009, 10:57 AM
i wonder if you get a discount for buying in bulk....

hmmm

i'm thinking many people may only need or can only afford to buy one component at a time any way.


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Bearcat99
07-18-2009, 12:43 PM
Saitek's offering will most likely be cheaper than the Logitech offering as it will be just the HOTAS... and they already have pedals, which many, myself included have.

BigC208
07-18-2009, 12:58 PM
I have been using the Cougar Hotas stick combined with the CH pro throttle and pro rudder pedals. Would be mice if one could buy just the twin-throttle as I'm happy with the rest of my setup. Maybe something to think about for the folks at Logitech.

TgD Thunderbolt56
07-18-2009, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by BigC208:
...Maybe something to think about for the folks at Logitech.


And CH. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

KG26_Alpha
07-18-2009, 05:50 PM
Logitech Flight System G940

"Internet connection required for installation"

This seems strange from their system requirements release.

Looks like you cant install the hardware without internet connection on your PC !!

squareusr
07-19-2009, 07:09 AM
Companies like Logitech spend a lot of support-team-time on problems that only exist because some customer used the months-old software version that came on a disk in the box instead of the latest release that would have been available on the net. Support-team-time that could have better been invested on more pressing problems.

That is why it is very economic to sell the hardware without a physical driver disk included: it helps people getting the better version online. At the small cost of this little "internet connection required" notification appearing on the box (hopefully, it would not be fair to leave it out).

The obvious five cent saved directly are only a very small factor compared to the support aspect.

Oh, and in this age of the USB HID profile the actual drivers are included in the OS anyways, you will only need a small addon for the force feedback. Of course there is also the usual userspace "profiling" stuff that is not a driver no matter what popular misuse of the word tells you. But this rarely more than a blinking billboard ad that you pay for with your memory and CPU cycles and is better left out in most application scenarios.

JG52Uther
07-19-2009, 08:41 AM
Maybe one of their biggest problems will be who will pay big bucks for something with 'Logitech' in the name.

KG26_Alpha
07-19-2009, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by squareusr:
Companies like Logitech spend a lot of support-team-time on problems that only exist because some customer used the months-old software version that came on a disk in the box instead of the latest release that would have been available on the net. Support-team-time that could have better been invested on more pressing problems.

That is why it is very economic to sell the hardware without a physical driver disk included: it helps people getting the better version online. At the small cost of this little "internet connection required" notification appearing on the box (hopefully, it would not be fair to leave it out).

The obvious five cent saved directly are only a very small factor compared to the support aspect.

Oh, and in this age of the USB HID profile the actual drivers are included in the OS anyways, you will only need a small addon for the force feedback. Of course there is also the usual userspace "profiling" stuff that is not a driver no matter what popular misuse of the word tells you. But this rarely more than a blinking billboard ad that you pay for with your memory and CPU cycles and is better left out in most application scenarios.

So users with no internet connection on their PC's cannot install this hardware then ?

Why would you need a small addon for the force feed back it works perfectly well without drivers in MSFFB2 sticks?

I have Logitech products that I have never installed drivers for and they work perfectly well without having to "call home", I just see this restricting some potential buyers.

Sokol__1
07-19-2009, 01:43 PM
But this rarely more than a blinking billboard ad that you pay for with your memory and CPU cycles and is better left out in most application scenarios.

Good point, I don't understand why certain people prefer to leave the SPACE key (default in IL-2) to fire guns and program a elaborated macro in a "powerful" software that alow trigger to emulate a SPACE, that go in game setup and put trigger to fire guns...

And takes the risk of accidentally shooting leaning in the keyboard ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

These software is good and desirable, but for specific cases.

Sokol1

Cyph3r111
07-19-2009, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Maybe one of their biggest problems will be who will pay big bucks for something with 'Logitech' in the name.

Loads of people, the Logitech G25 is BRILLIANT, its the one controller I don't have any complaints about. The G25 is massively popular asweel and costs a fair bit aswell.

squareusr
07-19-2009, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by KG26_Alpha:
So users with no internet connection on their PC's cannot install this hardware then ?

If it behaves like my old Saitek Evo Force it would operate as a joystick without custom driver components, but not with FFB.



Why would you need a small addon for the force feed back it works perfectly well without drivers in MSFFB2 sticks?

Does it? I know HUD has some FFB aspects in it, so it should be possible but so far most FFB sticks i have met needed their custom driver components to have the FFB activated. A possible explanation could be that a clean, native implementation of HID FFB is a little more difficult/expensive to do than a quick and dirty custom interface with the mapping to the standard slapped on in a filter driver.


I have Logitech products that I have never installed drivers for and they work perfectly well without having to "call home"
I have Logitech products that i have never installed drivers for because otherwise they would not work acceptable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


I just see this restricting some potential buyers.

Sure, but those are also likely to be those with the highest support cost, so they won't be missed too hard.

KG26_Alpha
07-19-2009, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by squareusr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KG26_Alpha:
So users with no internet connection on their PC's cannot install this hardware then ?

If it behaves like my old Saitek Evo Force it would operate as a joystick without custom driver components, but not with FFB.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">If it behaves like my MSFFB2 it will work perfectly well with FFB.</span>



Why would you need a small addon for the force feed back it works perfectly well without drivers in MSFFB2 sticks?

Does it? I know HUD has some FFB aspects in it, so it should be possible but so far most FFB sticks i have met needed their custom driver components to have the FFB activated. A possible explanation could be that a clean, native implementation of HID FFB is a little more difficult/expensive to do than a quick and dirty custom interface with the mapping to the standard slapped on in a filter driver.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Sorry I thought you knew from your comment it needed drivers to run FFB All FFB products Ive ever used never needed special drivers to run them.</span>



I have Logitech products that I have never installed drivers for and they work perfectly well without having to "call home"
I have Logitech products that i have never installed drivers for because otherwise they would not work acceptable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Are you suggesting the G940 internet needed to install hardware is potentially flawed as you dont trust logitech drivers ?</span>

I just see this restricting some potential buyers.

Sure, but those are also likely to be those with the highest support cost, so they won't be missed too hard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW"> IMO Logitech have high customer service relations AFAIC. I am more than happy with thier warranty in Europe, they have always reoplaced anything thats gone wrong and have bent over backwards on occcasions to meet my service requirements and seem to have a life time warranty like Belkin has on their products..</span>

squareusr
07-20-2009, 04:38 PM
If it behaves like my MSFFB2 it will work perfectly well with FFB.
The MSFFB2 isn't necessary the most relevant comparison, since it is #1: the most professional implementation of FFB in the world, others might be worse in this aspect (some i know are!), #2 is known to be blessed with custom software included in some Microsoft OS (XP even had custom images for all sidewinder products!) and #3 is made by the very company that defined most of the HID standard - no surprise that the standard and their hardware fits together without an additional software layer.


Are you suggesting the G940 internet needed to install hardware is potentially flawed as you dont trust logitech drivers ? I have Logitech stuff that needs their drivers (even some gizmo that runs on Logi drivers but is sold under a different brand name) but is best used without the additional software included and i have Logitech products that work perfectly without logi drivers (this includes the core product categories of their offering) where the addon software is only unpaid advertizement with questionable use (and a history of instability). This has all little to do with internet distribution vs. disk included, which is a perfectly rational decision on the side of Logitech, even if some won't like it (and many others will ***** about it even if they have absolutely no trouble with getting their software online). If it works as advertized without the addon software, it's great, but the FFB aspect is something not every company gets right without need for drivers.

steiner562
09-04-2009, 01:00 PM
I just got an email from the store where I usually purchase all my sim gear,it says they will have it in stock from the 11th of this month.
What I found peculiar was the feature list,the bit in red at the end to be specific.

Force feedback joystick: Control your aircraft with confidence. Force feedback effects allow you to feel its movement as well as its reaction to wind shear, buffeting, turbulence, and g-forces.

Dual throttle: Precisely control multi-engine aircraft using the two 8-way hat switches. Or lock the levers when you need to operate your engines in sync.

Rudder pedals with toe brakes: Enjoy true-to-life rudder control, essential when you’re performing defensive maneuvers and crosswind landings, or piloting helicopters.

Three analog trim controls

Interactive, programmable throttle-base buttons: Keep in control with buttons that illuminate red, green, amber, or off to indicate the status of critical aircraft systems—gear up, flaps down, and many others—just like they would in a real cockpit.

Hard points: All three components (joystick, throttle, and pedals) can be bolted to a table or other surface for a solid experience

<span class="ev_code_RED">Internet connection required for installation </span>

http://www.simw.com/index.cfm?...uct_details&pid=2185 (http://www.simw.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=dsp_product_details&pid=2185)

Surely thats a mistake on simwares behalf or possibly driver releated?,gonna email them and see.

Sokol__1
09-04-2009, 03:05 PM
Simmer review of Logitech G-940:

http://www.lockonfiles.com/mod....php?n...r=0&thold=0 (http://www.lockonfiles.com/modules.php?n...r=0&thold=0)

Sokol1

steiner562
09-04-2009, 03:42 PM
Nice review Sokol,must have been a typo then on simwares part http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif,looks good value for money,all though I guess we can only wait and see for the endurance factor.

Airmail109
09-04-2009, 04:38 PM
!"@# it. I want FFB in my modded cougar. Bastards, someone had to bring this out didnt they.

Urufu_Shinjiro
09-04-2009, 04:58 PM
My guess about the internet thing is perhaps the profile software checks for updates when installed, just a thought.

TooCooL34
09-04-2009, 08:43 PM
No comparison with MSFFB2 yet? Bearcat? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Bearcat99
09-04-2009, 11:28 PM
I cant compare what I haven't seen..

DD_crash
09-05-2009, 09:03 AM
Hey Bearcat news (http://www.saitek.com/force/) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Bearcat99
09-05-2009, 09:28 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/saitekx65f.jpg

DD_crash
09-05-2009, 09:32 AM
Looks like my X52s days are numbered http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

TX-EcoDragon
09-07-2009, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by TooCooL34:
No comparison with MSFFB2 yet? Bearcat? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

Here's my initial impressions of the G940 in RoF:

I was back home for a night and found out that my local Frys had the G940s in stock so I just decided to grab one for testing if nothing else.

Before plugging anything in it was clear that the button placement on the stick itself is good and the stick seems like it will fit smaller hands well and still fit larger hands as well (edit: OK after an hour or so of flying with it I've found it got uncomfortable, it seems the handle is too small around for my hands to stay comfortable especially with forces at 150%, but perhaps some pipe insulation foam could be added to the right side of the handle to thicken it up a bit). The buttons, dual stage trigger and hats have a fairly high quality feel and the positioning of them is good on the stick, and adequate on the throttle (but it's no Cougar throttle, and the layout and features of the stick doesn't quite compare to a Cougar either). The stick and throttle have a rubberized hard plastic surface which provides a nice feel in your hands.

The rotaries on the throttle are not very well placed IMHO as you must use your ring or middle finger to actuate one of them and it takes two full swipes of my finger to go from stop to stop and the other requires a change in hand position to get my thumb to it and it's somewhat recessed so you have to hunt for it a bit. The rotaries do have a smooth feel and lack center detents and while others have complained about that, I actually think it is a good thing as it allows precise position at any point rather than having a detent that you have to move out of to get precision. In addition to the precision, this is also more realistic for trim wheels. If one of these was elevator trim though you would have to visually look to see it's neutral every time before takeoff rather than being able to center it by feel. . .of course real pilots have to do this, and given the precision, I'm happy they are this way.

Now to the bad stuff. . .I may change my mind later, but I'm already pretty sure I'm going to return the G940 for the following reasons:

1) FFB implementation: Similar my Logitech G25, the FFB on the stick has a deadzone, on mine it is approximately 15-20 degrees around the center point. This means that smaller stick motions are met with almost no force feedback or damping. Because of this, precise control is quite difficult around the trimmed position and as you move the stick you will suddenly feel the FFB kick in. Additionally, when you move the stick further from center to the areas where FFB is strong the motion is somewhat notchy, as if you can feel the gears of the FFB system gnashing.

I was just flying an Se5a through a city tracking low along a road with buildings whizzing by. . .if you were to watch footage of the flight you would see the airplane is hunting in pitch and roll, it's a bit jerky, and actually makes this type of flying a bit tough (I imagine shooting would be as well) and simply isn't as smooth as it would be if I was flying with the CH Fighterstick or the MSFFB2 (or even my old X-45). I'm yet to tweak the FFB settings at all - but my experience with the G25 tells me it will probably not be something I can fully eliminate and with the deadzone precision is impossible. For me, precision control is imperative for any joystick I'm going to keep and when the old second hand Fighterstick and MSFFB2 I have do a better job, well. . .you get the idea.

2) While they looked robust in the pics and videos the rudder pedals are even more chintzy than the CH pedals. . .if I put my feet in the heel cups just the weight of my legs on the pedals is enough to make them flex and wobble all over. Normally I use PC pedals as I use real airplane rudder pedals, with my heels on or just gliding across the floor, but with these pedals the mechanism binds and sticks if I just apply pressure to the lower portion of the pedals so I have to push more in the upper portion of the pedals for them to work smoothly.

Just like the CH pedals these are too narrow and too flat for my tastes, they actuate in such a way as to get even narrower when moved to the limits of travel too. The pedal surfaces look similar to transport category aircraft pedals (other than the heel cups and how close together they are), and they do have a softer center detent than the CH do which is nice, but given that they look like their made out of rubber when I set my feet on them, and that they bind with any downward force applied to the lower portions of the pedals I don't think they will stand up to very many hours of my use (aerobatics is gonna kill em!) even if they had the smoothness needed. While I never thought I'd say it, the CH actually offer much better control as they have slightly longer travel, don't bind (well mine started to after 8 years of hard use - but that was solved with a cleaning of the plastic rollers) and the linear travel the CH has is more natural and comfortable for me.

Compared to real aircraft rudder pedals the proximity of the base of the unit and the pedals themselves, as well as the heel cups, makes using the pedals as most pilots are used to (with their heels on floor) not very comfortable as the heel cups press into the arch of your foot and the base of the pedals hit your heels. The CH have these same issues but it is easy to fix with a wedge fitted to each pedal to give them a cup-less surface at a more vertical angle, so in itself this isn't a deal breaker for me.

WWI aircraft rudder bars have "pedals" that get closer to the center as they are deflected so I suppose you could count that point in favor the narrowing with deflection character of the G940 pedals - at elast while flying RoF! If they were wider to start with I wouldn't mind it too much I suppose. The deal breaker for the pedals is the flimsy and flexy construction (and how narrow they are). So for me the CH will have to do.

In comparison to the MSFFB2, the MSFFB2 has far smoother action with much better centering (which actually feels somewhat realistic). A nod in favor of the G940 is that the FFB motors are a lot stronger than the MSFFB2 even at default settings and forces can be increased in the control panel to the point that you better have your monitor bolted down and a sturdy desk! If the deadzone and smoothness of the FFB were eliminated the stick and throttle might be worth the 300 bucks alone. Sadly the Rudder pedals use a proprietary connector (as does the throttle) so you can't sell them to someone who doesn't have the rest of the G940.

Given that you can't (currently?) buy just the stick and throttle, and as someone who won't be using the pedals no matter what this means I paid 317 bucks for just the stick and throttle. . .that would be worth it for a smooth and precise FFB action, but overall the flying experience is better on my CH pedals, X-45 throttle and MSFFB2. . .and that's certainly a cheaper setup too! I didn't want to have that opinion - and it might change if I discover a way to get the FFB dialed in, but that's my preliminary feeling on it.

TooCooL34
09-07-2009, 04:03 AM
Thank you, TX-EcoDragon!
Very detailed review which I really wanted to read.
I don't understand why they don't benchmark MSFFB which is almost ten years old. Was it some kind of an alien technology? I disassembled 2 of it and there were only motors, gears and chips! I'd hire the designer if I was in Logitech or Saitek.

Besides, looking at X-62 stick pictures, it seems Saitek again repeated poor FFB mechanism of saitek Evo Force.

Long live my precious MSFFB2s.
Maybe I got to buy one more from e-bay to make it quad collection for rest of my life. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

TX-EcoDragon
09-08-2009, 05:26 PM
I wanted to update this with a response that I got from Logitech_Mark which has some useful information in it, and potential explainations for the FFB deadzone I'm encountering:

"Hi,

I'm glad to see some feedback here and am happy to comment.

First, it is important to clarify some terminology. There is ZERO deadzone in the stick X and Y axes, unless you add it in the profile. That means the stick registers movement throught its range.

What users are encountering is the force feedback spring centering. Our base driver has some play in the center, to keep the motor from fighting itself on center. Once the simulation starts, all stick centering and force feedback comes from the game settings. G940 is doing exactly what it is told. Now that G940 is available to software developers, we expect to work with them to tune the sims to the G940 capabilities. There is no physical or mechanical limitation to eliminating the play from the center.

You can force centering in all games by checking the checkbox in the force feedback settings to enable center spring all the time. There is no check box to reverse forces. We haven't encountered any games with them reversed. FSX forces are sometimes a bit laggy, which can give the impression of being reversed. Unfortunately, there is no one at ACES studio to work with, as there was when we started the project.

There is a more recent software build out, published after the G940 went into production. The production version was 5.06. 5.07 is available for download, but not yet linked to G940. You can get the proper download by following the support links from the G27 racing wheel.

We are making further improvements, and I'll post the notice when the next update comes out.
__________________
Flight System G940 Product Manager
Logitech"

Bearcat99
09-08-2009, 09:55 PM
The pedals alone would prevetn me from buying this... that and the MSFFB2 in my closet.. but that X-65 looks pretty nice.. until my modded X-45 dies.. Ill be using it..

TooCooL34
09-08-2009, 11:53 PM
Tune the sims to the G940? After retail launch?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
Quite weird they didn't test their FFB product in IL-2, most famous combat flight sim.
Even in modern sim Black Shark, it does not properly work in trim method.
Then what was this FFB stick made for? H.A.W.X?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
Just my 2 cents on illogic remarks.

Gammelpreusse
09-09-2009, 02:37 AM
Thanks for the review, TX-EcoDragon, that indeed is rather dissapointing.

There I really thought there finally comes a replacement for my FFB2, but obviously it is not to be yet.

wheelsup_cavu
09-16-2009, 01:04 AM
Another review of the Logitech G940 at SimHQ by Chris “BeachAV8R” Frishmuth.
http://www.simhq.com/_technolo...technology_155a.html (http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_155a.html)
It has a couple of videos of him using the system too.

The Article feedback thread.
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthre...em_.html#Post2861049 (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2861049/Review_Logitech_Flight_System_.html#Post2861049)


Wheels

irR4tiOn4L
09-17-2009, 11:51 PM
Hmm well to be honest though, the X52 has a fair share of its own problems (losing calibration anyone? Ever had to unplug the controller cord?) yet Saitek gear is widely used and carries a great reputation. Ive got an X52 myself, but to be honest the Saitek Evo (non-force) calibrated correctly and never needed to be unplugged and plugged in again because it lost calibration. X52s are plagued by this problem apparently (mine has it)

So i guess reputation only goes so far.

Urufu_Shinjiro
09-18-2009, 12:02 PM
Nice review, can't wait to see the reviews start rolling in for the new saitek offering, I need to know which one I want for xmas, lol.

Yskonyn23
11-19-2009, 03:44 AM
A little bit of graveyarding, but to update the Saitek situation;

It's not going to be here in time for X-mas.
It's slated for a feb 2010 release according to my local gear store.

EDIT: By the way I saw version .08 is now used for the Gaming Software. Any improvements worth noting?

robtek1957
11-20-2009, 04:22 PM
I have the g940 System now for 1 1/2 months and i have mixed feelings!
First is that i like the handling with the stick with the ffb settings at 100%.
I especially like the center-zone with less forces as it improves my targeting when i attack ground targets.
When i was flying gliders and small pipers and cessnas i also had very small forces in the center - zone except when i was at high speed (varying with the plane).
After 3 weeks on intensive use i found that the output from the poti from the rudder pedals was jumping.
Ok, return to the dealer. :-(
So i switched back to my msffb2 and my saitek pedals and x52 throttle.
The only thing better were the saitek pedals with their wide stand!
After 2 weeks i was almost as good as before in my flying.
Now i got a new g940 system and i have to learn again but i really like it a lot better than my old hardware (maybe the pedals??? )
Oh, yes, the throttle is not as precise as the throttle of my x52, but the error is marginal and not enough to denote the system.
I think with a improved software this will be not just a fine but a very fine system (if it doesn't break again after 3 weeks or 6 months.)

Btw, the x65 stick doesn't move, good for fly by wire me thinks, nothing for BoB SoW.

Yskonyn23
11-20-2009, 04:30 PM
Thanks for the reply. Too bad you ran into problems this quickly, but I assume it's all under guarantee so it won't cost you any?

The Saitek stick indeed is rigid (although it does have a 0.5cm or so room to move to improve feeling a bit.
I don't think I agree with you on the 'not fit for SOW' part, though.
It's computer hardware and it doesn't make a difference wether you play one sim or the other. The feeling will be the same and you'll get used to it. As far as realism goes; just look at the MSFFB2 or X52 stick... I guess nothing will be fit for it then. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But of course each to his own. Good luck with your G940!

EAK355
01-12-2010, 09:08 PM
any more updates or experience with G940 and new 5.08 software. thx

Chivas
01-13-2010, 01:02 AM
Still waiting for an update newer than the 5.08 before I try reinstalling the G940.

Blue_5
05-18-2010, 02:12 AM
My G940 has lost FFB despite it being enabled in game. I looked in the profile but dispite the instructions I cannot find the 'Enable Force Feedback' button anywhere. Can anyone help?

DD_crash
05-18-2010, 08:53 AM
Hello blue, tried game controllers in control panel?

Urufu_Shinjiro
05-18-2010, 11:41 AM
The FFB settings for the G940 are in the Control Panel->Game Controllers screen for the stick, then there is a button that says "calibrate and advanced or something like that (not at my pc right now), click that and there should be three sliders for force effects.

Chivas
05-19-2010, 12:42 AM
New 5.09 drivers available at the Logitech site

TheGrunch
05-19-2010, 02:52 AM
Awesome! Give us a review when you have the time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Blue_5
05-19-2010, 03:08 AM
Thanks guys - I thought they were in the Profiler and was very puzzled http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Personally I think the throttle is the best bit; the pedals seems to lack a sufficicently progressive element and the stick is a bit twitchy but with new drivers and time on it I think I'll get used to it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
05-19-2010, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Blue_5:
Thanks guys - I thought they were in the Profiler and was very puzzled http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Personally I think the throttle is the best bit; the pedals seems to lack a sufficicently progressive element and the stick is a bit twitchy but with new drivers and time on it I think I'll get used to it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Well guess what, they are now! 5.09 and firmware update released today!