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Texas LongHorn
10-03-2006, 09:46 AM
I've followed the development of the Luftwaffe AC for years, but have never seen this. It looks for all the world like a rifle scope. The two versions I've read about are the ZFR-4 and ZFR-5, Here's the link;
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/bretnutz.html
The tube of the scope can be plainly seen in the image. All the bloody best, LongHorn

Texas LongHorn
10-03-2006, 10:07 AM
Interesting... further reading says the scope was NOT used for gunnery but for long distance ID of aircraft. Hmmmmm. All the best, LongHorn

Art-J
10-03-2006, 10:18 AM
I'll bet the guy had a small metal plate inside the cockpit, with a memo written on it:
"In order zu durch die Uber-Gewehr-Scope aim-ieren, Bitte pressieren Sie Ctrl-D auf dem Keyborden" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheers - Art

leitmotiv
10-03-2006, 10:23 AM
Galland used a telescopic sight in his Battle of Britain-era 109Es. I believe he also had a Revi next to it---recall G had poor vision (had to memorize the eye chart to pass his flight medical)---maybe it was just used for spotting?

Texas LongHorn
10-03-2006, 10:52 AM
leitmotiv, ironically it was photos of Galland's AC that got me going. In the book "Aicraft of the Luftwaffe Fighter Aces 1" by Bernd Barbas they have a number of images of Galland's E model with the dash 4 and 5 sight. You learn something new every day <ggg.> All the best, LongHorn

leitmotiv
10-03-2006, 11:35 AM
You are on to an interesting subject, TL. The only thing I can add, is that I have a book on the Bf 110 (OVER ALL FRONTS, I believe) which has a photo of a Me 410 with what appears to be the mother of all aviation telescopic sights mounted in the windscreen. Was this a 410 with the 50mm gun? It certainly would make sense for them to use telescopic sights for the kind of long range "poaching" they were doing. Regards, L

Blottogg
10-04-2006, 06:45 PM
F-15's had a similar arrangement they called the "Eagle Eye". They'd boresight it to the gun cross in the HUD (i.e. parallel to the aircraft centerline), lock a target with the radar, pull the Target Designator box to the gun cross in the HUD, and look through the telescopic sight to VID the target.

Doing the same without a radar to help point the 'scope would be more difficult, but still useful. Just don't ask me to actually shoot while looking through the soda straw.

JG52Karaya-X
10-05-2006, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by Blottogg:
F-15's had a similar arrangement they called the "Eagle Eye". They'd boresight it to the gun cross in the HUD (i.e. parallel to the aircraft centerline), lock a target with the radar, pull the Target Designator box to the gun cross in the HUD, and look through the telescopic sight to VID the target.

Strike Commander, anyone!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Those were the times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Bowman_61
10-06-2006, 05:38 PM
During WWII OKL did make use of an early form of infra red thermal sight fitted to nightfighters, did look a bit like the mother of all telescopic sights poking through the conopy

Bowman

actionhank1786
10-08-2006, 03:37 PM
Didn't Luke Skywalker have a similar get up on his X-wing? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

CrazySchmidt
10-11-2006, 03:24 AM
Originally posted by actionhank1786:
Didn't Luke Skywalker have a similar get up on his X-wing? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

No he used the "Force" sight! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

CS. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Spinnetti
10-11-2006, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Texas LongHorn:
Interesting... further reading says the scope was NOT used for gunnery but for long distance ID of aircraft. Hmmmmm. All the best, LongHorn

Ah, that makes perfect sense.. I have a hard time i'ding at range too, and it would save a lot of wasted time and fuel to chase somebody that turns out to be a friendly.. besides, ammo effectiveness gets worse as you go out, so that would make sense it wasn't for gunnery..