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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:13 AM
...It´s just too funny...I started a russian campaign with the Hurri IIc, and now, at mission nº 12, my kill average is 5 planes per mission, mostly against Brewsters...It´s just like flying an X Wing! And the Brewsters use to explode with one single shot!!! At the end, I almost feel a superhuman flying that plane! Even the 190s and 109 can´t do anything against me: I never stall, neverending power boosting, never overheats, turns in an inch of space....Oaaah! If only that was for real, the whole war could have been won by this plane alone!

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:13 AM
...It´s just too funny...I started a russian campaign with the Hurri IIc, and now, at mission nº 12, my kill average is 5 planes per mission, mostly against Brewsters...It´s just like flying an X Wing! And the Brewsters use to explode with one single shot!!! At the end, I almost feel a superhuman flying that plane! Even the 190s and 109 can´t do anything against me: I never stall, neverending power boosting, never overheats, turns in an inch of space....Oaaah! If only that was for real, the whole war could have been won by this plane alone!

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:19 AM
Try the I-153. Some people call it the Hurricane Killer,

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:33 AM
If it hadn't been for the Hurricane the Brits' would have lost the Battle of Brittain /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:34 AM
so far to the point: "FB is the most realistic flight sim ever" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:36 AM
VVS-Manuc wrote:
- so far to the point: "FB is the most realistic
- flight sim ever"

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif But I really don´t worry about that...I will try to enjoy this ufo plane till the patch comes out and corrects the FMs...

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 09:51 AM
hi,
re ...
correct definition:
among the latest WWII-Warbird Home PC-GAME flight simulation...

...a flight sim (+ by using the term realistic)is something complete other aera..
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VVS-Manuc wrote:
- so far to the point: "FB is the most realistic
- flight sim ever" <img

Tully__
07-11-2003, 12:15 PM
VVS-Manuc wrote:
- so far to the point: "FB is the most realistic
- flight sim ever" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )
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- ++ 88.IAP_Manuc ++



However the AI leave a little to be desired tactically (against a good human anyway).

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 12:48 PM
cueceleches wrote:
- And the Brewsters use to explode with one single
- shot!!!

A 'single shot' being a short burst from <u>four</u> x 20 mm cannons, of course. I know what you mean, I've seen it myself, you touch the trigger and KABOOM no more Brewster. But that only happens if you fire - and hit - at convergence. That's actually quite a few 20 mm shells ariving at one place in a short time; seems about right really.

Perhaps this is more a reflection on QMB and AI, but when I did a series of 1 v 1, Brewster v Hurri missions I quickly killed the Hurri every time. I always tried to avoid the head-on regardless of which I was flying. In the Hurri I was killed a few times; half of those by the HO shot from the Brewster. The other deaths came as a result of the padlock screwing me up.

I do agree that the Hurri is overmodelled. Too fast and dives too fast are biggest problems IMO. Stalling? Well maybe, but it should always be one of the hardest ac to stall. Never overheats? True, it doesn't seem to, but I don't know if that's realistic or not (seems unlikely). Then a 109 at 103% never overheats either.

Some people want the Hurricane 'neutered;' I'd rather it was just fixed. It should still be dangerous to fools who tangle with it low and slow. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif However, 190s that B&Z it really should be able to extend away from danger and not get run down.

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 12:53 PM
I know the Hispano cannons are quite powerfull, with a huge rate of fire, but the Brewster must be way too fragile, as it doesn´t happen with other planes, like the 109, 190, Macchi or Morane...Maybe some kind of problem with its fuel tanks? Not well protected by armour?

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:16 PM
I'm playing a similar campaign with similar results. Fighting with the IIC does take a lot of shooting discipline, as you don't have much ammo to play with. It's a slow plane though, and the AI just isn't made to exploit that weakness.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:19 PM
Really? That´s strange...my squad is performing admirably indeed...and as for the ammo, 90% of the time I´ve got ammo left after shooting down 5 bandits...not much, but enough to get at least two more. Maybe that´s because I´m disciplined enough to just shoot when I know I´ll get the best results...(I mean, i.e. shooting down a Brewster with a single trigger pulling)

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:19 PM
The Hurri is/has been tweaked and the power has been drained on the up and up i believe.

I hope they completely castrate the I-153. I hate it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:36 PM
(WARNING: THE FOLLOWING POST IS FROM AN UNFLINCHING LUFTWINER. MAY NOT SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN, SMALL ANIMALS OR HURRICANE ENTHUSIASTS.)

I used to fly a lot on a '42 DF server where the reds were all flying hurris and racking up huge scores. Blues were just trying to survive. (I loved it; it was fun being the underdog and there was a real sense of "us-against-those-red-bastiges" among the regular blue players.)

But, IMHO, that's totally unrealistic.

IIRC, Spitfires were tasked with keeping the Emils busy in the BoB. Hurris were used against the Heinkels where they had a fighting chance. At least in 1940, Hurris were outclassed by the Emils.

That's not that way it is in FB. IMO, the f2 and f4 should eat Hurris for lunch. (And don't even get me started about the Focke-Wulfs.)

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:43 PM
The FB Hurricane as it is now can be compared to the CFS1 Hurricane.

Now get your flamethrowers out. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 04:45 PM
I think that the Hurri in FB outperforms even an F 16 Fighting Falcon! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:14 PM
Fly the hurricane online. It isn't that great of a bird. On a map in which one side had hurricanes and my side had 109Es I had an easy time of knocking down hurries. The trick is to boom and zoom them. The hurricane can fly almost as fast as the 109E but it can't climb as fast. As long as you extend and are very careful you can knock down Hurricanes to your hearts desire in almost any Luftwaffe aircraft.

Offline is a different matter. I really think the AI planes become more manueverable, yet are not nearly as smart, and they do some really stupid tactical maneuvers on the LW side.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:30 PM
Aces-High wrote:
- Fly the hurricane online. It isn't that great of a
- bird. On a map in which one side had hurricanes and
- my side had 109Es I had an easy time of knocking
- down hurries. The trick is to boom and zoom them.
- The hurricane can fly almost as fast as the 109E but
- it can't climb as fast. As long as you extend and
- are very careful you can knock down Hurricanes to
- your hearts desire in almost any Luftwaffe aircraft.
-

Than the Hurripilot was surprised by you.. I tried it with a m8 (a very good pilot) nearly 3 hours...109E (diffent Versions) vs. Hurri IIb (vs C it would be even harder) the one in the 109 didn´t score a kill in this THREE hours!!! we changed after 1.5 hours.. I felt like a total idiot in the 109, sitting in Hurricane the Situation turned 180?.

you starting with E-advantage in 109, you fly BaZ but with every new attack you loose some E.. this, combined with the ability of a Hurri to hang on its propeller and to be stable in this postion make you an easy target every time for the Hurri after passing it. If you eavasive, you lose E- than you are even faster dead...

one vs one the Hurri is very good, of cause 2 vs 2 the situation is changing, but...

the Hurricane in FB, a planes weights as much as a G6, has the power of an Emil and is flying like a Spit I.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:35 PM
with the correct settings on c.e.m. the hurri can out boom and zoom the emil and take it down. once the hurri hits supercharger stage 2 most other planes are toast.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:36 PM
Try the Hurricane Mk1, and you won't feel so tough../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:40 PM
Right Buzz, the Hurri 1 is just a fat, slow target for an Emil (as it should be).

It's the Hurri IIs with infinite WEP, no stall, and no E-bleed that are the problem.

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:47 PM
I know. The .303's are pathetic. I pumped my whole load into an Emil, knocking off two tons on pieces, and it just flew away. Cripes!

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:48 PM
cueceleches wrote:
- Really? That´s strange...my squad is performing
- admirably indeed...and as for the ammo, 90% of the
- time I´ve got ammo left after shooting down 5
- bandits...not much, but enough to get at least two
- more. Maybe that´s because I´m disciplined enough to
- just shoot when I know I´ll get the best
- results...(I mean, i.e. shooting down a Brewster
- with a single trigger pulling)

I don't think the Brewster can handle many 20mm hits, especially if they arrive 4 at a time.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:50 PM
It takes nothing to make the Buffalo explode. Look I'll concentrate real hard .......*squints one eye saying blow up pudgey...blow up* BOOOOOOOM. See it doesnt take much. I wonder if there is'nt a little bug there or perhaps it really was that explosive prown.

As for the Hurricane being an UFO.....bah same thing has been said of La5, La7, Lagg3, Yak 3, and many others that what...whats that they can turn and have good guns...omg
Hurricane's problem can be found in many of the planes and that the low E bleed and the fact that you can pull the nose up on all planes and stall much later than you should. How about the p39 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ?

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 05:50 PM
Hopefully Oleg will give the Hurri II some bombs in the patch. It's main role was "fighter-bomber" anyway wasn't it?

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 06:53 PM
faustnik wrote:
- Hopefully Oleg will give the Hurri II some bombs in
- the patch. It's main role was "fighter-bomber"
- anyway wasn't it?
-
-

Certainly was in the RAF, but I don't know if it was in the VVS. I was certainly hoping for bombs and rockets.

Yes, you're right about Hurri 1 being better matched against Emil. I find in BoB DFs the 109 can have things pretty easy, so long as you don't expect to turn fight and win. Of course, the Emil's climb is another area for investigation.

As was pointed out, the general FM tweaks might be all that's needed in some cases. The easier stalling characteristics of all FB ac, compared to IL-2, were bound to make the Hurri next to impossible to stall, I guess. And the overheating might be solved with CEM working as it was meant to.

When people say that blah should be able to kill blah blah easily, I sometimes wish they'd add, "when flown correctly." Naturally, this doesn't apply to any of the contributors to this thread /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif , but you sometimes get the impression that people believe they should easily kill blah blah regardless of how they fly.

FWIW, when I was avoiding the AI HO in QMB I nearly always took some hits. The odd 20 mm shell never did much to the Brewster, but a couple of times the Hurri was wrecked by the .50 cals.

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 06:55 PM
Well I`ve used the Hurri and all its advantages and it isn`t a UBER plane. This is the impression new pilots tend to get, cos it`s so easy to fly and for the new enemy pilot cos it`s hard to outturn.
But in a Hurri facing nearly all kinds of experienced German air fighters victory is not a dead cert at all. Like said earlier, many fighters stay high and B and Z you to death (boring but correct) or some just extend and fly away. Other Jerry fighters will work with a wingman and take turns on you till you slip and then it`s over.
So, no it`s not that brilliant. Good for new guys. But against experienced fighters your better off in a Yak or LA7.

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XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 07:18 PM
SeaFireLIV wrote:
- Well I`ve used the Hurri and all its advantages and
- it isn`t a UBER plane. This is the impression new
- pilots tend to get, cos it`s so easy to fly and for
- the new enemy pilot cos it`s hard to outturn.

Hard to out-turn sounds fair enough

- But in a Hurri facing nearly all kinds of
- experienced German air fighters victory is not a
- dead cert at all. Like said earlier, many fighters
- stay high and B and Z you to death (boring but
- correct)

Yea, in a 109 you can do that

- or some just extend and fly away.

Tried diving away from one - on WEP, 1500 m down to the deck - in an FW-190A-5, and it stayed with me and shot me down at the bottom of the dive. I doubt I'd extended one inch; more likely he'd continued to close

- Other
- Jerry fighters will work with a wingman and take
- turns on you till you slip and then it`s over.

Hehe, arguing that something isn't uber because it loses in a 2 v 1 isn't very convincing /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

- So, no it`s not that brilliant. Good for new guys.
- But against experienced fighters your better off in
- a Yak or LA7.
-
- (online Experience).
-
-

Now there's another topic for conversation /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif