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sakai2005
07-15-2010, 05:24 PM
for those in the north east usa a rare chance to see a scale replica fly.i saw it fly over 5 years ago and ive been waiting to see it up close.

http://www.ohtm.org/*WingsSpec09.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...pKQeWUVw&feature=fvw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrvpKQeWUVw&feature=fvw)

runyan99
07-15-2010, 09:27 PM
So, it's 7/10 scale or full scale? I'd like to see some more detail.

Treetop64
07-15-2010, 09:49 PM
It's a large-scale replica. Part of the reason the video was shot so far away from the machine.

Waldo.Pepper
07-15-2010, 11:23 PM
If only there was some convenient way to search for things on the internet. Ohhh.
Anyway, here are some details on the 7/10th scale replica.

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N87LL.html

M_Gunz
07-16-2010, 11:27 AM
A bit more info. (http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.aviation.homebuilt/2005-10/msg00278.html)


I own the aircraft which is a 7/10's scale replica of the JU87B2 which was the only STUKA built by Louis Langhurst, completed in 1979 after 8,000 manhours of work.


Oberst Rudel flew in my aircraft (N87LL) in November of 1980 and said its characteristics were true to the actual machine.

sakai2005
07-16-2010, 02:50 PM
thanks all for the info very interesting.
now im just praying for good weather.
if everything works out ill post pics.

Markedfordeath
07-21-2010, 03:09 AM
I live about five minutes away from the Transportation Museum. It's definitely worth a visit if you've never been before. I suggest you take a ride on the Model T while you're there, just don't eat a big breakfast before you do http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif. They've had some amazing stuff there in the past, B-24/25/17, P-51, Corsairs, plus the mini air shows they used to have. I remember A-10s, Harriers, L-39s, Hercs, there was an Osprey there a year or two ago....... it's just a shame that the content has gone dramatically down, while the price of admission has done the opposite. Still, like I said, if you hardly ever go, or have never been, it's worth the visit. Here's a copule of pics from..... three years ago, I think, of the F4U-5NL that's been there several times
http://www.asb.tv/files/photo/gallery/photos/photo_13550_d0743.jpg

http://www.asb.tv/files/photo/gallery/photos/photo_13550_d0ae9.jpg

Wabinaki
07-21-2010, 05:53 AM
The airmuseum is defently a sweet place to visit, last time i was there they had a P-51 and a B-17, the coursair was suposed to be there but developed mechanicl problems i think in Ohio and couldnt make it in time. only thing i wished they did was let people closer to the Mustang, when i saw it it was roped off and if your harased the pilot enough he would let you through the rope for a few seconds then kick you back out. wish i could go this weekend but very short on money and i would get kicked out of my place if rent came up short this month http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Bartman.
07-21-2010, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by sakai2005:
for those in the north east usa a rare chance to see a scale replica fly.i saw it fly over 5 years ago and ive been waiting to see it up close.

http://www.ohtm.org/*WingsSpec09.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...pKQeWUVw&feature=fvw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrvpKQeWUVw&feature=fvw)

The 'tube' link sounds like a Cessna 152

wayno7777
07-21-2010, 08:15 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/Airshow%20pics/Airshow6-7-09ReadingPA_037.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/Airshow%20pics/Airshow6-7-09ReadingPA_012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/Airshow%20pics/Airshow6-7-09ReadingPA_191.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/Airshow%20pics/Airshow6-7-09ReadingPA_179.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/Airshow%20pics/Airshow6-7-09ReadingPA_027.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/Airshow%20pics/Airshow6-7-09ReadingPA_014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/Airshow%20pics/Airshow6-7-09ReadingPA_159.jpg

RSS-Martin
07-21-2010, 10:53 PM
Who ever wrote that sign in German, should polish their German up. That is embarrassing. Several bad mistakes.

M_Gunz
07-22-2010, 12:59 AM
Wayno, those pics from Oshkosh?

I see the size well in the pics with the people right up close to it. Good thing they didn't make it much smaller or it would need a base and a nickel slot!

sakai2005
07-22-2010, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Markedfordeath:
I live about five minutes away from the Transportation Museum. It's definitely worth a visit if you've never been before. I suggest you take a ride on the Model T while you're there, just don't eat a big breakfast before you do http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif. They've had some amazing stuff there in the past, B-24/25/17, P-51, Corsairs, plus the mini air shows they used to have. I remember A-10s, Harriers, L-39s, Hercs, there was an Osprey there a year or two ago....... it's just a shame that the content has gone dramatically down, while the price of admission has done the opposite. Still, like I said, if you hardly ever go, or have never been, it's worth the visit. Here's a copule of pics from..... three years ago, I think, of the F4U-5NL that's been there several times
http://www.asb.tv/files/photo/gallery/photos/photo_13550_d0743.jpg

http://www.asb.tv/files/photo/gallery/photos/photo_13550_d0ae9.jpg

I go most every year i love that place.
but im 70 miles down the coast to far to visit often.the weather is not looking that great for this weekend but im going anyway.

wayno7777
07-22-2010, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Wayno, those pics from Oshkosh?

I see the size well in the pics with the people right up close to it. Good thing they didn't make it much smaller or it would need a base and a nickel slot!


No, M_Gunz, Reading, PA 2009 WWII Weekend

WTE_Galway
07-22-2010, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
I see the size well in the pics with the people right up close to it. Good thing they didn't make it much smaller or it would need a base and a nickel slot!

Its surprising how a slight reduction in scale effects cost. here is a discussion from the Aussie guys that do the 90% scale Spitfire as to why they don't go the "extra 10%" and make a full scale one.

Basically you are going from a $US192,300.00(depending on currency exchange) complete kit to $US868,000.00(depending on currency exchange) plus engine (the 90% scale model uses a supercharged V6) meaning the extra 10% takes the cost up at least 4 or 5 times depending on what engine you use:




Lately we have had some people ask why we do not build a full size, 100% spitfire. We have been building 80% and 90% Spitfires for around 16 years and we have sold 92 to date, so we know that building a 100% Spitfire is not as easy as one would think.

That extra 10% seems small until you start to do the numbers, real number.

The extra 10% for our 90% Spitfire uses approximately 40% extra material. The undercarriage has to be totally rebuilt and upgraded as do the wheels, brakes and axles to name only a few of the components. Main and wing spars must be re engineered and inline with the original and strong enough to carry the now bigger undercarriage.

Engine – This is where the cost, time and money really goes. As there are no Merlin engines any more we need to build one or convert a small V8 or V12, hot rod it up to get 800-1000hp, that is if you want anything like the real Spitfire performance. Don’t forget 100% is a BIG aircraft.

Performance – Now all our customers are NOT ex military pilots so don’t be fooled into thinking 10% isn’t that much extra, it is a much bigger aircraft in power and weight. This is suddenly a very big dangerous aeroplane compared to our much lighter Spitfire Mk26b and unstressed V6-V8 engine.

Safety – Authorities around the world have realised that a stall speed of 45kts is a generally safe speed to land when things go wrong. It is known that the higher the landing speed in an engine out situation is NOT a good thing and is NOT always survivable. An aircraft with a high stall speed needs to be landing on a prepared runway not an unprepared field as our 90% Spitfire can.

We at Supermarine Aircraft Pty Ltd and all governments want people to fly on weekdays and Saturdays then be able to mow their lawns and enjoy their families on Sunday not be in hospital or worse.

Pilot – As I said the people buying our Mk26b are in the mature age group 40-80 years, yes 80, this is not a misprint. I have been told many, many times they could buy 2 genuine Spitfires – full size, but they do not want the danger of it all going wrong or plain and simply running costs as an engineer would be needed full time and 2-3 people to pull the aircraft in and out of the hangar. Remember now you only get one aircraft in the hangar NOT 2.
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Instead of a kit price of
$AUD$175,000.00/$USA192,300.00(depending on currency exchange)
you are suddenly looking at paying
$AUD800,000.00/$USA868,000.00(depending on currency exchange)
plus engine and instruments, paint, etc, etc.

M_Gunz
07-22-2010, 11:38 PM
I was just joking and 'much' smaller really means much smaller. Do you remember the old kiddie ride machines outside so many stores back in the early to mid 60's? Some were a generic monoplane and -all- of them were lame for kids over 4. Think of the hell that a Stuka one would have raised! Whoo-hoo!

It is a big surprise for me the difference in cost, but as they said hot-rodding the engine is a big chunk of that. It does make a lot more sense non-combat to fly the smaller and lighter version.

It also makes me think hehe about the size difference of P-51 and esp P-47 compared to say a 109 or 190 or Yak. Almost scary!
A shame the US didn't take the same approach to armor from early war on.

WTE_Galway
07-23-2010, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
It also makes me think hehe about the size difference of P-51 and esp P-47 compared to say a 109 or 190 or Yak. Almost scary!
A shame the US didn't take the same approach to armor from early war on.

Yeah, somehow I cannot see building full size replica P47's ever becoming popular http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif