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Vortex_uk
10-24-2007, 10:43 AM
Was just on a server and what people have been talkin bout for the last few days/weeks has (I beleive) come true. With the realease of this sound mod/hack many people been saying that it's a gateway for people to start messing bout with codes to the flight models and damage models. For example, this server, as chasing a 109 G-2 in a 152C, managed to get at least 10 hits from the Mk.108s, plus a spit and 185 shouldershooting and tagging him. He just would not go down! checked his externals and it must of been the full extent of the G-2s damage model shown, everywhere that was hit could off been, most shocking thing is he was flying like nothing happened, somehow still outflew the spit. And I don't know if anyones seen this aswell... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bA2BiRAPqY8

I just hope Oleg hurries up finalizing 409 so this ends :S

na85
10-24-2007, 11:19 AM
Cant the host stop this by setting RunTimeCheck = 2?

Vortex_uk
10-24-2007, 11:21 AM
Thats what I would of thought, but it's been said that it's not picking it up for some reason

Wepps
10-24-2007, 11:32 AM
You know I believe it's true. Though I would offer a story:

Back in the early early days, i got in an online dogfight in a Yak. Next thing I knew, somebody blew the back end of my plane off.

Everything from tghe cockpit back was GONE. Yet, I kept flying. I kept flying for a good 45 minutes too! I used to have a ton of screenies, but...how do I come to the forums then and explain it wasn't a hack?

It was an anomaly, and never happened to me again, but how do I prove that?

You can't prove an accusation false.

.

FluffyDucks2
10-24-2007, 12:13 PM
Yes try going on a few dogfight servers, the kiddie hackers are at their work all over...make tracks if you want a real laugh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"but the sound mod is harmless....I'll only tweak the Pony FM to where it should be.....maybe I should change the guns while I'm there....hell no-one will notice 4 twenties...." or "hmmm wonder if anyone will notice when I put the FM from a 25lb Spit into this Hurricane....." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

AKA_TAGERT
10-24-2007, 12:15 PM
worst part is..

It does not even have to be happening..

Just the idea of it happening is enough to kill off the online comunity..

Prior to this mod..

If you got shot down you knew you were bested farly..

Now..

You don't know for sure..

Some are big enough to not go there, but sadly most of the ego nubs online will accuses everyone that shoots them down of using a hack..

This is what killed off sims like CFS and will now kill of IL2..

In that even in CS=2 servers there will be some ego nub that will not be able to accept the fact that he/she was bested and thus accuses the one who shot him down of using a hack..

This is a perfect example of why 3rd party addons can not be allowed to be used online in SoW/BoB

FluffyDucks2
10-24-2007, 12:21 PM
****...I'm agreeing with Tagert http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif lol.

edit:

damn it won't let me say cr@p http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Divine-Wind
10-24-2007, 12:25 PM
As much as I know Oleg will try to support his community, I'm not holding my breath for a quick fix to the hacking in 4.09.

Airmail109
10-24-2007, 12:28 PM
from now on Im just playing co ops with friends

Freelancer-1
10-24-2007, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:
****...I'm agreeing with Tagert http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif lol.



I feel your pain Fluffy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I thought I was having a mental breakdown...

There's been a couple of his posts I found myself agreeing with today.

Maybe he's finally wearing us down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Rayen_25
10-24-2007, 12:36 PM
Paranoia

Divine-Wind
10-24-2007, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:
****...I'm agreeing with Tagert http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif lol.



I feel your pain Fluffy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I thought I was having a mental breakdown...

There's been a couple of his posts I found myself agreeing with today.

Maybe he's finally wearing us down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Aha! So this hacker business is all a plot by Tagert to get us to finally agree with him!

FluffyDucks2
10-24-2007, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by Rayen_25:
Paranoia


Said the guy with the "mod"... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

LEBillfish
10-24-2007, 12:46 PM
Heh.....Oyher day I'm in a FW190A6, wep on flying level at 3.5km, 410kmh I, and watched a LA5 come up from the deck out of a hard turn having shot down another and in roughly 15 seconds, perhaps 5km back climbed to me, fired a split second burst that was like 5 37mm going off in result, then screamed past and up like I had been standing still....

Speed hack and others have been around for a while.............Trouble is due to this "harmless" sound mod "average" folks have discovered how to make alterations due to the AI flyables....So it's no longer JUST a hackers cheat.

Expect worse...All who are so foolish to have supported this quite simply..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Three_wise_monkeys_figure.JPG/300px-Three_wise_monkeys_figure.JPG

hotspace
10-24-2007, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by na85:
Cant the host stop this by setting RunTimeCheck = 2?

Hiya folks.

A question?

Where in the conf.ini File do I find the above?

I can't seem to be able to find it in mine:

[NET]
speed=10000
routeChannels=0
serverChannels=19
localPort=21000
remotePort=21000
SkinDownload=1
serverName=Hells Gazelles
serverDescription=
remoteHost=
localHost=82.29.171.55
socksHost=
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=0

I'm hosting a game tonight and I wanna fair & square game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

FluffyDucks2
10-24-2007, 01:05 PM
As far as I know it doesn't stop the hackers.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

I don't know where its supposed to go btw...as I know nothing about this net stuff.

Also as far as I know there will be no "hack" protection in 4.09 either, which is a bit sad....sort of heralds the end of fair online play for the most part http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

slo_1_2_3
10-24-2007, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by Wepps:
You know I believe it's true. Though I would offer a story:

Back in the early early days, i got in an online dogfight in a Yak. Next thing I knew, somebody blew the back end of my plane off.

Everything from tghe cockpit back was GONE. Yet, I kept flying. I kept flying for a good 45 minutes too! I used to have a ton of screenies, but...how do I come to the forums then and explain it wasn't a hack?

It was an anomaly, and never happened to me again, but how do I prove that?

You can't prove an accusation false.

.
One time I was happily flying along , no aaa or enemy planes around and I just burst into flames,in a plane you normally cook in the zero. I just flew along perfectly safe for about 20 minutes without a problem and then I landed. no damage or anything I just light up

slo_1_2_3
10-24-2007, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Vortex_uk:
And I don't know if anyones seen this aswell... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bA2BiRAPqY8

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

hotspace
10-24-2007, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by FluffyDucks2:
As far as I know it doesn't stop the hackers.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

I don't know where its supposed to go btw...as I know nothing about this net stuff.

Also as far as I know there will be no "hack" protection in 4.09 either, which is a bit sad....sort of heralds the end of fair online play for the most part http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Damn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Ok, thanks for the info m8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

MrMojok
10-24-2007, 01:18 PM
Someone will come along and post where it goes, Hotspace. I think you just insert it in the conf.ini, but I am not sure where.

LEBillfish
10-24-2007, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by HotSpace:
Hiya folks.

A question?

Where in the conf.ini File do I find the above?

I can't seem to be able to find it in mine:

[NET]
speed=10000
routeChannels=0
serverChannels=19
localPort=21000
remotePort=21000
SkinDownload=1
serverName=Hells Gazelles
serverDescription=
remoteHost=
localHost=82.29.171.55
socksHost=
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=0

I'm hosting a game tonight and I wanna fair & square game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


As posted on the 78th forum:


Hi All;

I'm sure you're all aware of our policy on cheats/hacks, the recent flurry of excitement about them, and some even possibly having seen my posts recounting individuals and even an entire squadron that uses hacks (ex. Climbing from take off I'm just reaching 1km in a Ki-61 being slot 1, while slot 4 finally takes off and as I reach 1.2km he rockets up to 4km where all of his squadron mates join him...).........We know they exist, nothing can be done to stop them.......Yet what we can do is set our machines when we host to insure it gets harder for them.....

Naturally, using these in game anti-cheat tools is at the hosts discression. However, having them in place not only insures a cleaner mission is run, yet when folks realize these settings are used, it makes all in the coop more credible.....Asked in the zoo about them, and here are some responses....


Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
From Readme_408m.rtf:

The server can now check for changes on the client-side game modules, i.e. ensure the modules were not modified. To enable the check, a new key was added to the conf.ini file.

In order to set the client-side verification parameters you will need to manually edit the conf.ini file located in your main game folder before launching the game. Open the file with a text editor, find the [NET] section and in the checkRuntime = line write in either 0 or 1 (or 2), then save the file. If the checkRuntime = line does not exist in your conf.ini file, add it to the end of the [NET] section.

checkRuntime=0-no check is made (default);
checkRuntime=1-quick check;
checkRuntime=2-comprehensive check.

NOTE: during the comprehensive check, if the client runs a different OS version from the client, the check may identify the OS differences as changes in game modules.




Originally posted by SlickStick:
OK, LEBillfish, here we go. As I have a tendency to be a bit "rambly", I'll keep it as short and sweet as possible. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Here is my [NET] and [MaxLag] section of my conf.ini file, which can be edited via Notepad as you know. These are the sections where the three anti-cheat tools reside. Remember, make sure that there are no returns or extra characters within any given conf.ini line or at the end of a conf.ini line.

[NET]
speed=5000
routeChannels=0
serverChannels=5
localPort=21000
remotePort=21000
SkinDownload=0
serverName=No Name
serverDescription=
remoteHost=
localHost=
socksHost=
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1
checkTimeSpeedDifferense=0.02
checkTimeSpeedInterval=2
checkRuntime=2

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=0.5
nearMaxLagTime=0.5
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=3

These two lines enable the speed check. They must be set to "1". This is the check for speed hack and checks the difference in game speed between the host and clients:

checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1

These two lines are the values that you can set the speed check to. The spelling is correct and the "Differense" must be entered in decimal form with the first 0. Mine is set for 2 secs, 2%. This allows someone's game speed to be 2% faster or slower than mine, for 2 secs:

checkTimeSpeedDifferense=0.02
checkTimeSpeedInterval=2

This is the line that checks the file version in V4.08. It does not detect all mods and as Oleg stated, it will be fixed in V4.09. See Fool's post above from the V4.08 ReadMe about the settings:

checkRuntime=2

The lines in the [MaxLag] section set the maximum amount of packet loss that the host will tolerate from a client before it sets off the "Cheating has been detected" message and eventually autokicks, if WarningNum is set to a number:

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=0.5
nearMaxLagTime=0.5
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=3

The times for the first three are in seconds and the WarningNum is the amount of messages before a client is autokicked from the server. The explanation for this section is in the current manual on page 50.

The delay is the amount of time allowed between instances to allow a connect to settle down and not give multiple messages on one event of packet loss.

Mine is set for 0.5 seconds near and far, with a delay of 3 seconds between warnings and autokick on three warnings. For MaxLag settings, you have to take into account who will be flying on your server, but as long as they have no packet loss, high pings shouldn't have a problem. A 500-800mS ping gent flew with me for two hours once with no issues.

Now, there are most certainly honest reasons why the "cheating" message can appear from game freezes to hardware bottlenecks. That is why you should also set the three cheating message lines in your "netmessages.properties" file, found in the i18n folder off of the main IL2 folder, to add the proper {0} in front of each message line as such:

user_cheating1 {0} Loser has been detected!
user_cheating2 {0} Cheatskank has been detected!
user_cheating3 {0} Maybe lag has been detected!

This will show you the name of the pilot setting off the message in the chat bar. It is a local setting, so all who want to see the name must modify their netmessages as well. This is a good way to see who it is and maybe help them work out their connection issues.



Lastly, something I see often out of those I know to cheat finally explained.....


Originally posted by SlickStick:
My fav are the guys who join the server to see what the Speed Check is set to or get instantly kicked upon joining and then leave to adjust their Speed Gear program accordingly to be able to use the hotkey under the secs and percentage set by the host.

It's in the sim, up to us to use it....

bmoffa
10-24-2007, 01:28 PM
This is really interesting, because a couple of days ago I had a P51 make one pass at my spit 25# (flying level around 190-200 kts). When I bailed I couldn't believe what I saw. My plane was sredded into multiple parts. There was no explosion or fire--I was still alive to bail out.

M4Sherman4
10-24-2007, 01:28 PM
hey yall. I play Alot Of arcade servers and I can say I have never seen a hacker on there o and by the way most people use the sound mod
.So from what I am getting is all the trouble commes from full relisim severs.

VF-17_BOOM
10-24-2007, 01:30 PM
Wow,this is sad,very sad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

LEBillfish
10-24-2007, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by M4Sherman4:
hey yall. I play Alot Of arcade servers and I can say I have never seen a hacker on there o and by the way most people use the sound mod
.So from what I am getting is all the trouble commes from full relisim severs.


That must be it......some of us just can't handle reality http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

hotspace
10-24-2007, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotSpace:
Hiya folks.

A question?

Where in the conf.ini File do I find the above?

I can't seem to be able to find it in mine:

[NET]
speed=10000
routeChannels=0
serverChannels=19
localPort=21000
remotePort=21000
SkinDownload=1
serverName=Hells Gazelles
serverDescription=
remoteHost=
localHost=82.29.171.55
socksHost=
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=0

I'm hosting a game tonight and I wanna fair & square game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


As posted on the 78th forum:


Hi All;

I'm sure you're all aware of our policy on cheats/hacks, the recent flurry of excitement about them, and some even possibly having seen my posts recounting individuals and even an entire squadron that uses hacks (ex. Climbing from take off I'm just reaching 1km in a Ki-61 being slot 1, while slot 4 finally takes off and as I reach 1.2km he rockets up to 4km where all of his squadron mates join him...).........We know they exist, nothing can be done to stop them.......Yet what we can do is set our machines when we host to insure it gets harder for them.....

Naturally, using these in game anti-cheat tools is at the hosts discression. However, having them in place not only insures a cleaner mission is run, yet when folks realize these settings are used, it makes all in the coop more credible.....Asked in the zoo about them, and here are some responses....


Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
From Readme_408m.rtf:

The server can now check for changes on the client-side game modules, i.e. ensure the modules were not modified. To enable the check, a new key was added to the conf.ini file.

In order to set the client-side verification parameters you will need to manually edit the conf.ini file located in your main game folder before launching the game. Open the file with a text editor, find the [NET] section and in the checkRuntime = line write in either 0 or 1 (or 2), then save the file. If the checkRuntime = line does not exist in your conf.ini file, add it to the end of the [NET] section.

checkRuntime=0-no check is made (default);
checkRuntime=1-quick check;
checkRuntime=2-comprehensive check.

NOTE: during the comprehensive check, if the client runs a different OS version from the client, the check may identify the OS differences as changes in game modules.




Originally posted by SlickStick:
OK, LEBillfish, here we go. As I have a tendency to be a bit "rambly", I'll keep it as short and sweet as possible. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Here is my [NET] and [MaxLag] section of my conf.ini file, which can be edited via Notepad as you know. These are the sections where the three anti-cheat tools reside. Remember, make sure that there are no returns or extra characters within any given conf.ini line or at the end of a conf.ini line.

[NET]
speed=5000
routeChannels=0
serverChannels=5
localPort=21000
remotePort=21000
SkinDownload=0
serverName=No Name
serverDescription=
remoteHost=
localHost=
socksHost=
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1
checkTimeSpeedDifferense=0.02
checkTimeSpeedInterval=2
checkRuntime=2

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=0.5
nearMaxLagTime=0.5
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=3

These two lines enable the speed check. They must be set to "1". This is the check for speed hack and checks the difference in game speed between the host and clients:

checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1

These two lines are the values that you can set the speed check to. The spelling is correct and the "Differense" must be entered in decimal form with the first 0. Mine is set for 2 secs, 2%. This allows someone's game speed to be 2% faster or slower than mine, for 2 secs:

checkTimeSpeedDifferense=0.02
checkTimeSpeedInterval=2

This is the line that checks the file version in V4.08. It does not detect all mods and as Oleg stated, it will be fixed in V4.09. See Fool's post above from the V4.08 ReadMe about the settings:

checkRuntime=2

The lines in the [MaxLag] section set the maximum amount of packet loss that the host will tolerate from a client before it sets off the "Cheating has been detected" message and eventually autokicks, if WarningNum is set to a number:

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=0.5
nearMaxLagTime=0.5
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=3

The times for the first three are in seconds and the WarningNum is the amount of messages before a client is autokicked from the server. The explanation for this section is in the current manual on page 50.

The delay is the amount of time allowed between instances to allow a connect to settle down and not give multiple messages on one event of packet loss.

Mine is set for 0.5 seconds near and far, with a delay of 3 seconds between warnings and autokick on three warnings. For MaxLag settings, you have to take into account who will be flying on your server, but as long as they have no packet loss, high pings shouldn't have a problem. A 500-800mS ping gent flew with me for two hours once with no issues.

Now, there are most certainly honest reasons why the "cheating" message can appear from game freezes to hardware bottlenecks. That is why you should also set the three cheating message lines in your "netmessages.properties" file, found in the i18n folder off of the main IL2 folder, to add the proper {0} in front of each message line as such:

user_cheating1 {0} Loser has been detected!
user_cheating2 {0} Cheatskank has been detected!
user_cheating3 {0} Maybe lag has been detected!

This will show you the name of the pilot setting off the message in the chat bar. It is a local setting, so all who want to see the name must modify their netmessages as well. This is a good way to see who it is and maybe help them work out their connection issues.



Lastly, something I see often out of those I know to cheat finally explained.....


Originally posted by SlickStick:
My fav are the guys who join the server to see what the Speed Check is set to or get instantly kicked upon joining and then leave to adjust their Speed Gear program accordingly to be able to use the hotkey under the secs and percentage set by the host.

It's in the sim, up to us to use it.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for this LB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

......just what I was looking for m8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

slo_1_2_3
10-24-2007, 01:38 PM
I know I don't use the sound mod, I don't even know how you gys find this **** realy. I play the originaly call of duty online still and I know when a cheating tard gets on the fun and game just falls apart and most leave including me. And I expect that will happen with IL*2 If this spreads to more and more people. You'll be having fun flying to target in formation in your Hellcat, when out of the blue a super sonic Betty destorys all of you with one swing of its might 88mm flak cannon. And as previously said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

turnipkiller
10-24-2007, 01:45 PM
I was expecting to be accused of cheating last night, but I wasn't (thankfully!lol.) I was flying a Beaufighter doing shipping attacks, when I was jumped by a Zero. He blasted away at me, I ducked into the clouds and lost him. On the way home 2 more got me. I think there were more seethrough parts on my plane than solid, but I still had full control! I was limping in at ground level when finally another a/c (a Japanese one I don't know which) attacked and killed my pilot. I wish I had taken some screenshots as I'd never flown an a/c that took so much of a beating and kept going. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

LEBillfish
10-24-2007, 01:53 PM
What is worse then being called a cheater.......Is no one calling you one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BBB_Hyperion
10-24-2007, 03:10 PM
When you don't get called cheater from time to time in this game means you fly worse than average.

Of course there are numbers to claim http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Approx 5 % of the Cheaters do really cheat.
Approx 15 % of the "Cheater" Callers do actively cheat course else they wouldn't know they had been cheated.
Approx 0 % of the World Population plays Il2
.
.
.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ImMoreBetter
10-24-2007, 03:58 PM
I think this hack thing is out of proportion.


How old is this game? 6 years?

How long did it take someone to hack a 360? Months.

This game has probably been cracked since the beginning, and no one acted up about mods then.

Even with the added publicity very few people will actually have said mods.

Especially in this games community.

Bearcat99
10-24-2007, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by M4Sherman4:
hey yall. I play Alot Of arcade servers and I can say I have never seen a hacker on there o and by the way most people use the sound mod
.So from what I am getting is all the trouble commes from full relisim severs.

Dont you people get it!! Why bother in an arcade server? It is already arcade. People who will use this hack to cheat will go to the toughest servers around so they can beat their chests.. Back in CFS on the Zone you mainly saw the cheaters in the 100% servers... never in the under 80% servers... The cheaters ALWAYS came to the 100% servers because otherwise they were too chicken $hit to even be there... and not man enough... (I bet if there are any females using this hack, or any kind of cheat hack in any online venue for that matter, they are very very very few .. if any) to just say "Hey.. I like these settings so this is how I will fly. The folks who do this do it just because they can and just because it is the only way they can evn compete.

The integrity of the sim.


I think this hack thing is out of proportion.
How old is this game? 6 years?
How long did it take someone to hack a 360? Months.
This game has probably been cracked since the beginning, and no one acted up about mods then.
Even with the added publicity very few people will actually have said mods.
Especially in this games community.

Wrong. The sim was not hacked since the beginning. Perhaps someone had a way of hacking it for the past few years.. but the fact that the process wasn't all over the internet made it a relative thing.. and the pathetic loosers who would even use it to cheat... and thats what it is when you alter the original files in any way that gives you an advantage that someone else doesn't have and was not within the intent or scope of the existing software or the developers intent.... didn't have access to it. All that is over now and any jerk with a clue any rebel without a cause... can work their magic and rule the skies... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

ElAurens
10-24-2007, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by ImMoreBetter:
I think this hack thing is out of proportion.


So, how's things in Candy Cane City today Pollyanna?

The sound hack is all over servers at Hyperlobby, with players bragging openly about using it and it's creator, the evil one, posting links to it.

I have seen more odd things in the last weeks, then in all of the previous 6 years of flying online combined.

As a consequence I have cut way back on my IL2 time and am puttering around in the cheat free but boring skies of FSX. At least it is stick time.

These are the end times of a great flight sim. It's just so sad to see it dragged through the mud by a bunch of unprincipled, immoral hackers.

AKA_TAGERT
10-24-2007, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
What is worse then being called a cheater.......Is no one calling you one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ROTFL!
Too True! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Airmail109
10-24-2007, 04:42 PM
Its not all bad people just stick to co-ops with your friends

Dogfight servers are overrated

Airmail109
10-24-2007, 04:47 PM
Lets get in contact with these guys

http://www.itglobalsecure.net/categories/gaming/service...tom_anticheating.htm (http://www.itglobalsecure.net/categories/gaming/service_custom_anticheating.htm)

-HH-Quazi
10-24-2007, 05:13 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3681066995

I would hope Mr. Outlaw will endeavor to do what he mentions in the thread above.

MOH_Hirth
10-24-2007, 05:54 PM
http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~cabral/golfers.jpg LOL!! The paranoia got a lot here, another teory of "Conspiration": They(UBI) wanth to kill IL-2 for open way to SOW, they fell fear we dont will buy SOW and still in IL-2(LOL).
When i see a lot people sayng now is easily open and change the game only with this "sound mod", this is no true, and 99% dont wanth and 99% who wanth dont know how do it, so please STOP THE PARANÓIA, is easy detect a deshonest pílot and nobody wanths the shame be called CHEATTER!!

Cajun76
10-24-2007, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by MOH_Hirth:
http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~cabral/golfers.jpg LOL!! The paranoia got a lot here, another teory of "Conspiration": They(UBI) wanth to kill IL-2 for open way to SOW, they fell fear we dont will buy SOW and still in IL-2(LOL).
When i see a lot people sayng now is easily open and change the game only with this "sound mod", this is no true, and 99% dont wanth and 99% who wanth dont know how do it, so please STOP THE PARANÓIA, is easy detect a deshonest pílot and nobody wanths the shame be called CHEATTER!!

So out of 100 people online, only 1 will want to cheat, and only 1 out of a hundred cheaters would know how to do it?

Have you never heard of Counter Strike or CFS2 and the problems they've had?

Either your head is buried in the sand, or

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/head_up_***.jpg

Either way, pull it out man!

Billy_DeLyon
10-24-2007, 06:18 PM
Best way to treat a cheater: just ignore them.

Fly away, don't engage.

If you get shot down, don't complain or accuse in chat, just refly or leave the server (maybe inform server admins but you probably better have a track).

These are immature, impatient people whose main reward is attention. Don't give it to them.

Longers
10-24-2007, 06:45 PM
Agree with Billy DL

Someone made a post earlier saying that there are reports of a whole online squad using the hack & cheating - I find that hard to believe

Do you really think among a group of 10-20 squad members, with a CO saying "right guys, lets all use the hack to give us an advantage in online coops/dogfights" that not ONE of them would object, resign, and post here warning others of that squads dodgy activity ?

Longers

ElAurens
10-24-2007, 07:42 PM
Don't kid yourself Longers.

It's happened before.

Being in a squad does not automatically impart some higher moral standing.

Bearcat99
10-24-2007, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Don't kid yourself Longers.

It's happened before.

Being in a squad does not automatically impart some higher moral standing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Longers
10-24-2007, 08:15 PM
gday ElAurens & Bearcat and S!

I just think that most people who fly in a squadron treat the sim/game seriously enough to not go down that route - in my own squad AFAIK theres a combination of ppl interested in aviation, or military history or even military aviation history (!), some are past or present flyers IRL - i.e. less likely to want to "game the game"

I've been with my squad for a few months now and prior to that only had little experience with online flying. I've a lot of time with online racing sims over the years and my experience there is the few cheaters soon tire of their "dominance", get called out by fair drivers and bugger off to do something else.

I hope this happens with online IL2

Longers

LW_lcarp
10-24-2007, 08:52 PM
Yep its the end of IL2 everyone is going to run away because of a cheater. Well now we can see just how ***ile this community really was because now only cheaters will be flying online and everyone is going to go fly FSX.

So UBI shut it all down for IL2 website, forums, and forget about the next patch because everyone ran away because of a cheater.

And you guys call this a community HA I see nothing but a bunch of Chicken SH!TS.

If its worth fighting for then fight for cheat free servers. Oleg isnt a a god he cant stop everything because of a sad sorry few. Band together stop the stupidity that happened with the other games.

Get the cheaters banned from servers. Post there names on the forums humiliate them. Nothing stops a cheater better then when everyone knows who it is and ridicules them. Treat em like child molestors. Post tracks showing their childish ways. Post names, times, servers they were on.

And all you chickens sh!ts that are running away dont comeback saying wow we stuck up for ourselves, if any body does fight back and wins. Cause you started the mass hysteria so dont take credit. You can take credit that everybody ran

PF_Coastie
10-24-2007, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by Longers:
gday ElAurens & Bearcat and S!

I just think that most people who fly in a squadron treat the sim/game seriously enough to not go down that route - in my own squad AFAIK theres a combination of ppl interested in aviation, or military history or even military aviation history (!), some are past or present flyers IRL - i.e. less likely to want to "game the game"

I've been with my squad for a few months now and prior to that only had little experience with online flying. I've a lot of time with online racing sims over the years and my experience there is the few cheaters soon tire of their "dominance", get called out by fair drivers and bugger off to do something else.

I hope this happens with online IL2

Longers

For 99% of the squads, you are correct. But there is always that 1% out there that are the elitists. They absolutely, positively MUST be the best or they will not participate.

They will use every exploit available.

They will look for cheats and hacks.

They will actively recruit other pilots they see online that share this same thought process. They won't just let anyone in thier squad.

Most squads have a very gifted pilot or two. But when you see an entire squad that is just too good to be true, they probably are!

Airmail109
10-24-2007, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by Longers:
gday ElAurens & Bearcat and S!

I just think that most people who fly in a squadron treat the sim/game seriously enough to not go down that route - in my own squad AFAIK theres a combination of ppl interested in aviation, or military history or even military aviation history (!), some are past or present flyers IRL - i.e. less likely to want to "game the game"

I've been with my squad for a few months now and prior to that only had little experience with online flying. I've a lot of time with online racing sims over the years and my experience there is the few cheaters soon tire of their "dominance", get called out by fair drivers and bugger off to do something else.

I hope this happens with online IL2

Longers

You should have been about when everyone was flying Janes

Some squadrons were notorious for cheating

Bearcat99
10-24-2007, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
Yep its the end of IL2 everyone is going to run away because of a cheater. Well now we can see just how ***ile this community really was because now only cheaters will be flying online and everyone is going to go fly FSX.

So UBI shut it all down for IL2 website, forums, and forget about the next patch because everyone ran away because of a cheater.

And you guys call this a community HA I see nothing but a bunch of Chicken SH!TS.

If its worth fighting for then fight for cheat free servers. Oleg isnt a a god he cant stop everything because of a sad sorry few. Band together stop the stupidity that happened with the other games.

Get the cheaters banned from servers. Post there names on the forums humiliate them. Nothing stops a cheater better then when everyone knows who it is and ridicules them. Treat em like child molestors. Post tracks showing their childish ways. Post names, times, servers they were on.

And all you chickens sh!ts that are running away dont comeback saying wow we stuck up for ourselves, if any body does fight back and wins. Cause you started the mass hysteria so dont take credit. You can take credit that everybody ran

I think this response is totally uncalled for and a slap in the face to everyone here. How dare you... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I know a part of that is being faceteous.. but lets keep it real here man. There are better ways to get your point across than calling us names.. it is bad yeah.. but we will survive.. and you need to get a grip and chill.

Airmail109
10-24-2007, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
Yep its the end of IL2 everyone is going to run away because of a cheater. Well now we can see just how ***ile this community really was because now only cheaters will be flying online and everyone is going to go fly FSX.

So UBI shut it all down for IL2 website, forums, and forget about the next patch because everyone ran away because of a cheater.

And you guys call this a community HA I see nothing but a bunch of Chicken SH!TS.

If its worth fighting for then fight for cheat free servers. Oleg isnt a a god he cant stop everything because of a sad sorry few. Band together stop the stupidity that happened with the other games.

Get the cheaters banned from servers. Post there names on the forums humiliate them. Nothing stops a cheater better then when everyone knows who it is and ridicules them. Treat em like child molestors. Post tracks showing their childish ways. Post names, times, servers they were on.

And all you chickens sh!ts that are running away dont comeback saying wow we stuck up for ourselves, if any body does fight back and wins. Cause you started the mass hysteria so dont take credit. You can take credit that everybody ran

I think this response is totally uncalled for and a slap in the face to everyone here. How dare you... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I know a part of that is being faceteous.. but lets keep it real here man. There are better ways to get your point across than calling us names.. it is bad yeah.. but we will survive.. and you need to get a grip and chill. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think he meant to offend anyone Bearcat, to me he just sounded like one of the strong talks from my Dad when I was a child lol

You sound pissed off today Bearcat. I must admit its a bit unusual from you, your the cool and calm dude on these boards. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Bearcat99
10-24-2007, 09:40 PM
Well.. it was one of those days man.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

MrMojok
10-24-2007, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
Yep its the end of IL2 everyone is going to run away because of a cheater. Well now we can see just how ***ile this community really was because now only cheaters will be flying online and everyone is going to go fly FSX.

So UBI shut it all down for IL2 website, forums, and forget about the next patch because everyone ran away because of a cheater.

And you guys call this a community HA I see nothing but a bunch of Chicken SH!TS.

If its worth fighting for then fight for cheat free servers. Oleg isnt a a god he cant stop everything because of a sad sorry few. Band together stop the stupidity that happened with the other games.

Get the cheaters banned from servers. Post there names on the forums humiliate them. Nothing stops a cheater better then when everyone knows who it is and ridicules them. Treat em like child molestors. Post tracks showing their childish ways. Post names, times, servers they were on.

And all you chickens sh!ts that are running away dont comeback saying wow we stuck up for ourselves, if any body does fight back and wins. Cause you started the mass hysteria so dont take credit. You can take credit that everybody ran

I think this response is totally uncalled for and a slap in the face to everyone here. How dare you... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I know a part of that is being faceteous.. but lets keep it real here man. There are better ways to get your point across than calling us names.. it is bad yeah.. but we will survive.. and you need to get a grip and chill. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think he meant to offend anyone Bearcat, to me he just sounded like one of the strong talks from my Dad when I was a child lol
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree 100%... he is challenging the community. He's just doing it by berating it. He must be a former military guy, or perhaps an athletics coach of some kind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyway, he's right.

-HH-Quazi
10-24-2007, 11:43 PM
I didn't take it personal myself. I started to but then read into the point he was making. I don't think anyone is running away. I believe we are at a point of strategizing (Spell Check Please, hehe).

I am sincerely happy that our offline m8s (actually a little bit of everyone that is) did get the better sounds they had been wanting for the last five years though. I hate it was done illegally & that it has put the online crowd in a bad position. But it was done nonetheless & they are (those that are using it) happy with it.

Feathered_IV
10-25-2007, 04:57 AM
Interestingly, the new aircraft that came with 1946 can not be unlocked by the hack. Only the stuff up to 4.05.

"Here's your new Lerches boys. You can learn to fly em on the way to the target..."

Bearcat99
10-25-2007, 05:47 AM
I feel better this morning...
lcarp... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LW_lcarp
10-25-2007, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I feel better this morning...
lcarp... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Glad to here that bearcat Im feeling good to.

Yes I posted that to get this thing rolling lets stop the cheaters here and now. We cant let some actions of a few destroy the fun of many

Feathered_IV
10-25-2007, 07:10 AM
Just to clarify; Are we differentiating between modders and cheaters? Or are they all to be treated like 'child molesters'?

BaronUnderpants
10-25-2007, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Just to clarify; Are we differentiating between modders and cheaters? Or are they all to be treated like 'child molesters'?


Cheaters modd to be able to.....cheat.

Thats how i look at it atleast.


And child molesters is a bit strong me thinks...ill settle for rapists.


As somone allredy stated, debating about those "pi**ant, mother f**ing cheaters" to thire faces is exactly what they want.

If i ever come across a blantant cheater down the line, im just gonna record, take names and report. I wont even dignefy him/them with a warm "f*ck u"

Krt_Bong
10-25-2007, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
worst part is..

It does not even have to be happening..

Just the idea of it happening is enough to kill off the online comunity..

Prior to this mod..

If you got shot down you knew you were bested farly..

Now..

You don't know for sure..

Some are big enough to not go there, but sadly most of the ego nubs online will accuses everyone that shoots them down of using a hack..

This is what killed off sims like CFS and will now kill of IL2..

In that even in CS=2 servers there will be some ego nub that will not be able to accept the fact that he/she was bested and thus accuses the one who shot him down of using a hack..

This is a perfect example of why 3rd party addons can not be allowed to be used online in SoW/BoB This is the part of this thread that is really the truth, I have tried the sound mod that was out there and used it offline in campaigns as far as I know any server that runs the check can't be joined but I have everything saved separately so I can restore to a legal online state I wouldn't try to nor would I know how to use it to cheat but I digress I went onto ZvsW and on teamspeak there was much accusations about those planes which our pilots could not seem to catch or for whatever reason were being outflown that they were obviously hacking, takes me right back to the days of RVS and Rainbow 6, if you win your cheating, if you win a lot your a hacker. Proof or not ban the hacker, pretty soon no-one is playing because of imagined hacking=everyone is a cheater.
I don't really believe that this is the case, I haven't seen anything to make me think this is the case, yet. But I may so I'm not saying everyone is wrong, but people will tend to believe a conspiracy exist rather than not.

Ernst_Rohr
10-25-2007, 08:20 AM
Feathered, I think the problem is that with this particular hack, its hard to tell if they are just looking for a simple mod for immersion, or if they have more nefarious aims.

Its easy to look at modders for games like Oblivion and admire the work that they do, because they dont change the fundamental core of the game AND its not a competitive environment.

The problem with this .sfs hack is that you can go from a well intentioned "modder" just looking for immersion to a nasty little hacker by just changing the values on a couple of lines of code in the same file.

Generally, folks immediately assume the worst, but that unfortunately is probably just being realistic considering the general level of behavior on the Internet (Penny Arcade's "Greater Internet F***wad Theory" is pretty much bang on, if you have seen it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

LW_lcarp
10-25-2007, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Just to clarify; Are we differentiating between modders and cheaters? Or are they all to be treated like 'child molesters'?


Cheaters modd to be able to.....cheat.



Thats how i look at it atleast.


And child molesters is a bit strong me thinks...ill settle for rapists.


As somone allredy stated, debating about those pi**ant, mother f**ing cheaters to thire faces is exactly what they whant.

If i ever come across a blantant cheater down the line, im just gonna record, take names and report. I wont even dignefy him/them with a warm "f*ck u" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Modders do alot of good for any community. We have campaighn mods voice mods and so on. Cheaters are just that to make them feel good they have to cheat to win.

Nobody likes a child molestor so I thinks thats how they should be treated.

BaronUnderpants
10-25-2007, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Just to clarify; Are we differentiating between modders and cheaters? Or are they all to be treated like 'child molesters'?


Cheaters modd to be able to.....cheat.



Thats how i look at it atleast.


And child molesters is a bit strong me thinks...ill settle for rapists.


As somone allredy stated, debating about those pi**ant, mother f**ing cheaters to thire faces is exactly what they whant.

If i ever come across a blantant cheater down the line, im just gonna record, take names and report. I wont even dignefy him/them with a warm "f*ck u" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Modders do alot of good for any community. We have campaighn mods voice mods and so on. Cheaters are just that to make them feel good they have to cheat to win.

Nobody likes a child molestor so I thinks thats how they should be treated. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Just to clarify, voice, campains, skins...and even sound mods is in my book intirely differant. U cant own a Spit25 speedwice, turnwice, climbewice etc. in a Hurricane with the help of a soundmod.

Not that im condoning soundmod perse...im just saying.

LEBillfish
10-25-2007, 09:19 AM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Ok, well clearly some are taking this whole issue to excessive extreems, so what say we try and reel it in back to reasonable.

* This sound "mod/hack" in and of itself could of been a VERY welcome addition to the sim. To of been welcomed would of taken very little....

A. That it be released by Maddox Games with credit given to the maker that being the most preferred.....If it had been done like that then the community would of embraced it and the maker would of been hailed as a hero.

B. If Maddox Games had refused, I still think it would of been welcomed yet under one condition......That when presented to the community it was delivered in a format that made it impossible for the average user to see what was contained.

Yet that didn't happen.....The maker so blatant in their slap to Ubi/1C/MG, either deliberately OR "irresponsibly" presented their creation in a way that exposed some very important workings within the sim.....and CONTINUES to do so KNOWING what it is and will do to the online community.

Therefor, the maker of this hack though possibly just irresponsibility and shortsightedness at first, is now DELIBERATELY taking a stand of "F*** you all, I don't care what happens in fact I welcome it...Look how "I" have brought down the mighty sim"......

Quite frankly, at this point though the initial intentions may have been well meaning, at this point continuing on the same way the "MAKER" of the hack has HIMSELF turned what could of been a welcome addition granting him great praise, into a deliberate attack upon the IL2 flight sim community itself.

Those supporting him, either too ignorant of the rammifications (doubtful), or now feeling cornered are holding their position to save face........Those doing so, having seen their posts for years on this forum I find hard to believe are so uninformed, or simply suddenly so selfish as to say "I just fly offline so I don't get it, so it's your problem".

Never the less........That IS what is being said whether realized or not.

The "Sound Mod/Hack" due to the addition of AI flyables YET most importantly exposing the code in open files before insertion into the sim has now made alteration of aircraft an easy task for all but the stupidest.....It does not mean everyone will cheat, yet what it does mean is that many will either new feeling no responsibility to the integrity of the sim, desiring an edge to boost their own ego's, or to simply try and stay on par with those who do.

Hacks and cheats have been in the sim since day one......More then we realize use them, yet up till now for the most part it was simply their loss really cheating themselves, and easily exposed for the most part due to their abuse.

The trouble is as we have ALREADY seen, due to this hack the prevalence of hacked FM's and the like has increased dramatically....Be it individuals, or yes, even entire squadrons as remember, squadrons choose those to join that have the same mindset as themselves....Those not, either leave or are booted out.

To of wanted and made an improvement for the sim is always welcome....
To do so in a way that harms the sim or the integrity of the community is nothing short of an attack against the community.
To support and in fact even argue the point to sway the community to accepting it is point blank wrong.
and to continue to do so, be it the maker of the hack, or those supporting it is quite simply stating you care little for those who have shared a common affinity for this simulation with you.

At this point there is only one positive course of action, and one negative it being that cut and dry....
A. The maker of the hack takes down his files as well as all others hosting them, and if re-released be done so in an acceptable way...(though old versions will circulate continuing to do harm, and those supporting the current situation stop trying to sway others to their wrong to make it right, and take a bit of social responsibility.
B. Both lines of opinion hold, hacks and abuse become worse on one side, costing those on that side to lose all credibility, as the other opposed makes a solid effort to thwart the hacks online.....The community will truly fracture then with very resolved sides, yet only one side will be viewed as credible....and believe me, being a rebel only goes so far.

In the end however....Irreparable damage has been done, the question is does the condition worsen, or become livable.</span>

JG53Frankyboy
10-25-2007, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Just to clarify; Are we differentiating between modders and cheaters? Or are they all to be treated like 'child molesters'?



Cheaters modd to be able to.....cheat.



Thats how i look at it atleast.


And child molesters is a bit strong me thinks...ill settle for rapists.


As somone allredy stated, debating about those pi**ant, mother f**ing cheaters to thire faces is exactly what they whant.

If i ever come across a blantant cheater down the line, im just gonna record, take names and report. I wont even dignefy him/them with a warm "f*ck u" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Modders do alot of good for any community. We have campaighn mods voice mods and so on. Cheaters are just that to make them feel good they have to cheat to win.

Nobody likes a child molestor so I thinks thats how they should be treated. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Just to clarify, voice, campains, skins...and even sound mods is in my book intirely differant. U cant own a Spit25 speedwice, turnwice, climbewice etc. in a Hurricane with the help of a soundmod.

Not that im condoning soundmod perse...im just saying. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


well, there is also a default skin hack avaialble.
now , edit the tga skins files , before installing it, of the german fighters (if you fly red ) to bright yellow as example.now they are easy to spot online...........


as already said, all is possible now.
it does not harm offline play.
but possible online play.

SeaFireLIV
10-25-2007, 10:10 AM
My optometrist just told me that my period of yellow snow blindness came from reading a page of text on a forum posted totally in yellow. he`s had several other Yellow-blinded internet viewers.

He`s considering sticking up a public net warning in all GP surgeries urging to people to avoid reading LEBillfish`s posts.

Really, I think you can write well enough, LEBillfish, without needing to post it all in yellow.

Anyway, as to the topic, i`ve not seen these things, but i do not doubt that this is happening, i`ve got a feeling that it`s affecting the arcade-type servers more (WW view, unlimited ammo, no engine management). I guess it was a mistake to allow the soundmod after all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

JG53Frankyboy
10-25-2007, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
My optometrist just told me that my period of yellow snow blindness came from reading a page of text on a forum posted totally in yellow. he`s had several other Yellow-blinded internet viewers.

...............:

tell me about it - i have a saxon im my squad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://www.jagdgeschwader53.equitatura.de/Profile/profil2.php?name=harti

rnzoli
10-25-2007, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Just to clarify; Are we differentiating between modders and cheaters? Or are they all to be treated like 'child molesters'? Of course differently. Modders are to be treated like traitors http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Same people hugging Oleg's legs in the past, and now hugging the modders legs, whom Oleg doesn't seem to like at all...disgusting.

F16_Neo
10-25-2007, 03:14 PM
Now seeing (previously) respected server(s?)
assuming that players got the latest hawk-75 or P-36 fake cockpit mod, it seems that the hack modifications are going mainstream...
We need 4.09 badly...

This rant is tbh also loosely based on beeing pwnd by those P-36's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Divine-Wind
10-25-2007, 03:16 PM
It's been mentioned many times that 4.09 will most likely NOT fix the hack problems. As sad as that is, I can understand that with BoB development going into full gear.

F16_Neo
10-25-2007, 03:31 PM
And you're most likely right about that, Divine...

LMAO @ sig, I might steal that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TheGozr
10-25-2007, 03:32 PM
I can understand that with BoB development going into full gear.
LOL....

About time don't you think... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Divine-Wind
10-25-2007, 05:29 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LEXX_Luthor
10-25-2007, 06:25 PM
SeaFire::
Anyway, as to the topic, i`ve not seen these things, but i do not doubt that this is happening, i`ve got a feeling that it`s affecting the arcade-type servers more (WW view, unlimited ammo, no engine management). I guess it was a mistake to allow the soundmod after all
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
We have seen no proof offered here of any Mack based cheating yet. We only see generalized accusations of "cheating" against no specified player. Granted, I don't visit Hyperlobby, and maybe they are holding Trials there. Recall several years ago how every Offline player who asked Oleg for functioning trim controls was told that he/she was a "online slider trim cheater" at this webboard.

LW_lcarp
10-25-2007, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
SeaFire:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Anyway, as to the topic, i`ve not seen these things, but i do not doubt that this is happening, i`ve got a feeling that it`s affecting the arcade-type servers more (WW view, unlimited ammo, no engine management). I guess it was a mistake to allow the soundmod after all
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
We have seen no proof offered here of any Mack based cheating yet. We only see generalized accusations of "cheating" against no specified player. Granted, I don't visit Hyperlobby, and maybe they are holding Trials there. Recall several years ago how every Offline player who asked Oleg for functioning trim controls was told that he/she was a "online slider trim cheater" at this webboard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That all it has been all hearsay and year old movies on youtube. But now is the time to start policing areselves to combat the FM/DM hacks that will be coming.

triad773
10-25-2007, 08:09 PM
Hey LeBillFish- I had tried similar logic but it seems to make no impact. Those who want it will have it and that's it. No reasoning with them. The bigger picture is not important, or at least out of sight.

Schism is what it boils down to. If it follows the path that Christianity did, then we are in the beginning of the 30 year's war (in microcosm), if not already begun.

I am looking to my LAN as the hack-free environment until BoB:SOW/KoTS comes out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wepps
10-25-2007, 08:10 PM
Cheaters are just that to make them feel good they have to cheat to win.

Cheaters are addicted to the teabag portion of the victory. They just don't like doing all that work to get there.

They come online and proceed straight to the teabag.

This is a problem that goes all the way back to the Romans.

Proof:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d163/Wepps/56677_teabag.jpg

Copperhead311th
10-25-2007, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by Wepps:
You know I believe it's true. Though I would offer a story:

Back in the early early days, i got in an online dogfight in a Yak. Next thing I knew, somebody blew the back end of my plane off.

Everything from tghe cockpit back was GONE. Yet, I kept flying. I kept flying for a good 45 minutes too! I used to have a ton of screenies, but...how do I come to the forums then and explain it wasn't a hack?

It was an anomaly, and never happened to me again, but how do I prove that?

You can't prove an accusation false.

.

lol you too? i thought i was the only one that had ever happned too!
must have been a bug in the yak DM. this was witnessed by several ppl i was flying with we were astonished. lol
again it was a loooong time ago.

Wepps
10-25-2007, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by Copperhead311th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wepps:
You know I believe it's true. Though I would offer a story:

Back in the early early days, i got in an online dogfight in a Yak. Next thing I knew, somebody blew the back end of my plane off.

Everything from tghe cockpit back was GONE. Yet, I kept flying. I kept flying for a good 45 minutes too! I used to have a ton of screenies, but...how do I come to the forums then and explain it wasn't a hack?

It was an anomaly, and never happened to me again, but how do I prove that?

You can't prove an accusation false.

.

lol you too? i thought i was the only one that had ever happned too!
must have been a bug in the yak DM. this was witnessed by several ppl i was flying with we were astonished. lol
again it was a loooong time ago. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It really was weird, and it was certainly a problem with the DM. But I showed signs of brilliance among mostly Curly-like idiocy in those days hehe.

I flew VEF with a bunch of Ukranians, can't remember the group but I'd recognize it. Climbed into a MiG-3 in one post-Stalingrad sweep.

To set up that story, I don't speak the language. So, one second I'm in the group, the next they are gone and I can't find them lol. Last time that happened, I decided...heck with it I'm landing. So I went to the airfield, gear down...next thing i know a 109 appears from under me with HIS gear down and the airfields guns open up on me. It was a German airfield!

Gear up, shot the bugger down, when his 2 buddies behind me started firing. I hit the brakes and the one flew right by me into my sights, bagged the 2nd one. By this time I'm full of holes and on fire, so I rolled over into a stall and recovered right above the ground, and the 3rd guy flew into the ground. Flaps up, took out the AA guns I flew over, and went way high trailing fire.

I actually was on fire almost all the way back to the Red airfield, it went out just as I was on final and ran out of fuel, and I landed perfectly while trailing smoke all the way in.

Sometimes, it got awfully close to being accused of cheating during those periods of lucky genius hehe.

carguy_
10-26-2007, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by triad773:
Hey LeBillFish- I had tried similar logic but it seems to make no impact. Those who want it will have it and that's it. No reasoning with them. The bigger picture is not important, or at least out of sight.

Well she at least tries to INFORM them of meaning of their doings because obviously many people here can`t even understand how the heck can that be wrong(lol!).

The 2nd group obviously knows what`s happening but doesn`t give a rat`s ### about it since it suits THEIR needs,period.

It is especially interesting to see those supposedly FAMILIAR with intellectual property issue reacting to the problem.They don`t really mind but guess what they`d do if anyone ever steals THEIR work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

LEXX_Luthor
10-26-2007, 12:41 AM
carguy::
the 2nd group obviously knows what`s happening but doesn`t give a rat`s ### about it since it suits THEIR needs,period.
If you refer to Offline players, they are the customers who are paying for "free" online gameplay. The Offline and private Online players who may enjoy some of the Mack's features have told us they have no problem if anonymous public servers can be made cheat free.

Best, CRT=2 seems to still work to keep the anonymous public servers "cheat free," but the Online players telling us this are being ignored. Why, we don't know yet.

Best of all, as far as I know, nobody has seen any cheating anywhere in the anonymous public servers, just generalized accusations against the larger community. Granted, I never visit Hyperlobby, and they may be holding Trials now as we poast.



The FB/PF community has already decided to go with...

carguy, page 7 of Daiich's "some" thread::
No brainer since offline you can do what you want.

~ http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3251033895/p/7

msalama
10-26-2007, 12:45 AM
CRT=2 seems to still work to keep the anonymous public servers "cheat free"

Well the last I heard there's still some controversy surrounding this question, in that some claim there're hacks out there that are not stopped by it...

Freelancer-1
10-26-2007, 12:58 AM
Color change:

Yellow text makes me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif


Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<span class="ev_code_White">Ok, well clearly some are taking this whole issue to excessive extreems, so what say we try and reel it in back to reasonable.

* This sound "mod/hack" in and of itself could of been a VERY welcome addition to the sim. To of been welcomed would of taken very little....

A. That it be released by Maddox Games with credit given to the maker that being the most preferred.....If it had been done like that then the community would of embraced it and the maker would of been hailed as a hero.

B. If Maddox Games had refused, I still think it would of been welcomed yet under one condition......That when presented to the community it was delivered in a format that made it impossible for the average user to see what was contained.

Yet that didn't happen.....The maker so blatant in their slap to Ubi/1C/MG, either deliberately OR "irresponsibly" presented their creation in a way that exposed some very important workings within the sim.....and CONTINUES to do so KNOWING what it is and will do to the online community.

Therefor, the maker of this hack though possibly just irresponsibility and shortsightedness at first, is now DELIBERATELY taking a stand of "F*** you all, I don't care what happens in fact I welcome it...Look how "I" have brought down the mighty sim"......

Quite frankly, at this point though the initial intentions may have been well meaning, at this point continuing on the same way the "MAKER" of the hack has HIMSELF turned what could of been a welcome addition granting him great praise, into a deliberate attack upon the IL2 flight sim community itself.

Those supporting him, either too ignorant of the rammifications (doubtful), or now feeling cornered are holding their position to save face........Those doing so, having seen their posts for years on this forum I find hard to believe are so uninformed, or simply suddenly so selfish as to say "I just fly offline so I don't get it, so it's your problem".

Never the less........That IS what is being said whether realized or not.

The "Sound Mod/Hack" due to the addition of AI flyables YET most importantly exposing the code in open files before insertion into the sim has now made alteration of aircraft an easy task for all but the stupidest.....It does not mean everyone will cheat, yet what it does mean is that many will either new feeling no responsibility to the integrity of the sim, desiring an edge to boost their own ego's, or to simply try and stay on par with those who do.

Hacks and cheats have been in the sim since day one......More then we realize use them, yet up till now for the most part it was simply their loss really cheating themselves, and easily exposed for the most part due to their abuse.

The trouble is as we have ALREADY seen, due to this hack the prevalence of hacked FM's and the like has increased dramatically....Be it individuals, or yes, even entire squadrons as remember, squadrons choose those to join that have the same mindset as themselves....Those not, either leave or are booted out.

To of wanted and made an improvement for the sim is always welcome....
To do so in a way that harms the sim or the integrity of the community is nothing short of an attack against the community.
To support and in fact even argue the point to sway the community to accepting it is point blank wrong.
and to continue to do so, be it the maker of the hack, or those supporting it is quite simply stating you care little for those who have shared a common affinity for this simulation with you.

At this point there is only one positive course of action, and one negative it being that cut and dry....
A. The maker of the hack takes down his files as well as all others hosting them, and if re-released be done so in an acceptable way...(though old versions will circulate continuing to do harm, and those supporting the current situation stop trying to sway others to their wrong to make it right, and take a bit of social responsibility.
B. Both lines of opinion hold, hacks and abuse become worse on one side, costing those on that side to lose all credibility, as the other opposed makes a solid effort to thwart the hacks online.....The community will truly fracture then with very resolved sides, yet only one side will be viewed as credible....and believe me, being a rebel only goes so far.

In the end however....Irreparable damage has been done, the question is does the condition worsen, or become livable.</span>

carguy_
10-26-2007, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
If you refer to Offline players, they are the customers who are paying for "free" online gameplay.

They are customers that payed for using Oleg`s game without any rights to change it other than in specified areas.They are obliged to follow the same rules as pure onliners whether they like it or not.




The Offline and private Online players who may enjoy some of the Mack's features have told us they have no problem if anonymous public servers can be made cheat free.

Yeah well if they are corrupt they can use their cracking tools because as far as I`m concerned there`s no stopping from offline usage of those tools.Online though where they have influence on those willing to have mod free environment they should obey the rules.And since there are always
bad apples, this needs to be enforced.
It doesn`t matter what you do with your freedom until you step on somebody else`s freedom.



Best, CRT=2 seems to still work to keep the anonymous public servers "cheat free," but the Online players telling us this are being ignored. Why, we don't know yet.

My source says there`s no effective dam to this.Tested.




Best of all, nobody has seen any cheating anywhere in the anonymous public servers, just generalized accusations the larger community. Granted, I never visit Hyperlobby, and they may be holding Trials now as we poast.

LEXX if you don`t fly online, please don`t talk about things you don`t know #### about.

You WANT to ignore what`s happening,that is your view on things.Others have their right to think for themselves.




The FB/PF community has already decided to go with...

What community is that?Who belongs to the community?Wha has decided?Is there a proof to this?Why hasn`t it been announced?

LEXX_Luthor
10-26-2007, 01:02 AM
msalama::
LEXX:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">CRT=2 seems to still work to keep the anonymous public servers "cheat free" Well the last I heard there's still some controversy surrounding this question, in that some claim there're hacks out there that are not stopped by it... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well that makes sense, as there's alot of panic and anger looking for somebody to lash out against. I guess we need to find out.

LEXX_Luthor
10-26-2007, 01:15 AM
carguy::
My source says there`s no effective dam to this.Tested.
Somebody poasted that they have an operating system that would prevent them from using CRT=2 protected servers. Is that what you mean by "effective?" Then this could go both ways, CRT=2 works but also kicks out players with older operating systems, or Linux/Vista?


carguy::
LEXX if you don`t fly online, please don`t talk about things you don`t know #### about.

You WANT to ignore what`s happening,that is your view on things.Others have their right to think for themselves.

Trust me, I'd love to, and hoping to as soon as possible. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

And I will when we focus on the cheaters doing the cheating, if any, in the anonymous public servers.

ElAurens
10-26-2007, 10:54 AM
Lexx, dealing with the cheaters is what we are trying to discuss here. But every time it comes up you try to derail it by defending the supposed "right" of the offliners to hack away at the sim, or questioning the premiss of online cheating, or bringing up the irrelevant issue of offline folks somehow "paying" for my online time, which is total BS.

You have no clue about the online environment whasoever, you have not played this sim is quite a long time, and your personal agenda is indeed the promotion of modding for this sim.

You have no credibility to speak about what effect the illegal hacking of this sim has done to my, and indeed all of the onliner's enjoyment of it.

Please go back to TK's tiny little world and stroke him for a change OK?

TheGozr
10-26-2007, 10:56 AM
Well take it into your hands and go tell them directly where they are.. Too much talk no action in here..

LW_lcarp
10-26-2007, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by TheGozr:
Well take it into your hands and go tell them directly where they are.. Too much talk no action in here..


And what pray tell o mighty Gozr would you do? Sounds like all talk no action on your part.

Snoball7614
10-26-2007, 11:52 AM
And how is whinin like stuck pigs at each other gonna solve anything? I know, I know I'm all talk and no action but what can i do?... Well isn't why this thread was made? Personally i think if some modder wants to alter his game to his liking thats his perrogative. But when his mods start to interfere with everyone elses game then... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Anyways, just my two cents...

Blood_Splat
10-26-2007, 11:55 AM
http://www.members.aol.com/sexymimmo/freddy1.jpg

Taylortony
10-26-2007, 05:27 PM
Well, I won't say I told you so, I was ridiculed and Poo Poo'ed for suggesting this "simply mod" would start to destroy this game, especially online................

It only takes one rotten apple to sour the barrel.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

leitmotiv
10-26-2007, 05:57 PM
A trifle. If MAW, descended from CFS3, can be played with complete success online, this incessant howling about IL-2's being destroyed for online play is ludicrous. I quote Urufu_Shinjiro today: "I agree, I haven't seen not even a fraction more cheating online than there was before the sound mod, and I watch closely. There was cheats before and there will be cheats again." I was PMed by a number of hard-core onliners during the start of this witch hunt who were (1) using the mod, or (2) wanted the mod. Of course, they have not publicly come forward because they see this unsavory climate created by a few machate swingers on meth who have an agenda which goes beyond the mod. This is sound and fury signifying nothing, as Shakespeare wrote.

rnzoli
10-26-2007, 06:11 PM
Yet again we are here, you try to say it is nothing NOW, and I am saying it can be disaster TOMORROW.

First was the sound mod. Then the cockpit mod. Then the FM swap possibility was already tested positively. Now the last barrier, the ability to bypass checkRunTime=2 needs to be tackled by your hacker friends, and online play will be pretty much downhill from there on, too many people will be tempted to shortcut the learning curve with one of the toxic spin-offs from the the otherwise harmless sound-mod.

If CFS3 is so great modding vise, and online, why the hackers don't leave IL-2 alone and mod CFS3 to sim heaven?

rnzoli
10-26-2007, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
a few machate swingers on meth who have an agenda which goes beyond the mod. Now that's interesting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Care to elaborate? Or are you also intimidated by the Internet? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Send me a PM then! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Taylortony
10-26-2007, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
a few machate swingers on meth who have an agenda which goes beyond the mod. Now that's interesting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Care to elaborate? Or are you also intimidated by the Internet? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Send me a PM then! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rnzoli, I wouldn't waste your breathe..... he just comes out with the same verbal cacophony of diatribe over and over again..

I have deliberately avoided posting on the subject after the verbal abuse and purile dross that was directed at me on several occasions by this person, but it does appear from all of these new threads that are appearing that others now are seeing the light as to the grave failings this "hack" is causing to the online game.

and as he seems to like quoting one of my favourite Authors

"The rest is silence."
William Shakespeare

leitmotiv
10-26-2007, 06:45 PM
Hilarious, you have been going to the market with this business. You are a one note song. Afraid your sudden love of the role of the battered poster is also hilarious. The kinds of uncouth insinuations you have made in the past have been out of court. You are being curried by those who have an agenda. Rail on.

LEXX_Luthor
10-26-2007, 07:52 PM
ElAurens::
Lexx, dealing with the cheaters is what we are trying to discuss here. But every time it comes up you try to derail it by defending the supposed "right" of the offliners to hack away at the sim, or questioning the premiss of online cheating, or bringing up the irrelevant issue of offline folks somehow "paying" for my online time, which is total BS.
Indeed. We need to stop derailing discussion of people who may be cheaters on the anonymous public servers when we attack and insult Oleg's customers who do not cheat in Online gameplay.


Lets say we get back on the rails. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif


Offline folks paying for this sim is not irrelevant to honest Online players, as one (honest) Online folk poasted at simhq...

If not for the Offline base, we'd all be paying 12$ a month to fly.
Granted -- that was 2 years ago, and today the monthly fee could be near 20$ a month, adjusted for real inflation and not CPI.

LW_lcarp
10-26-2007, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:

I have deliberately avoided posting on the subject after the verbal abuse and purile dross that was directed at me on several occasions by this person, but it does appear from all of these new threads that are appearing that others now are seeing the light as to the grave failings this "hack" is causing to the online game.



Seems to me TT you started a post DEMANDING the moderators to lock all posts dealing with the sound mod and demanding there heads on a pike. That seems to me to be the reason for you getting beat up on the forums as of late.

M_Gunz
10-26-2007, 08:38 PM
I bet there is laughter and clinking glasses in Redmond.

FoxThree
10-26-2007, 11:02 PM
The more things change, the more things remain the same. Last time I frequented this forum the hot topic was IL-2's demise due to cheating. It's been a couple years now yet the song remains the same.

Some fly IL-2 for just the pleasure of it while others are more serious and expect a level playing field. I for one would want to be assured we are all on the same page while online and feel some loss of interest knowing someone might have scored on me due to an "advantage".

I predict this debate will continue to lead nowhere. Mebbe some handshake protocol could be coded between the server and clients to assure compliance but then it'll only be a matter of time before it's just rinse aand repeat ...

slo_1_2_3
10-26-2007, 11:05 PM
http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=6083

M_Gunz
10-27-2007, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by FoxThree:
I for one would want to be assured we are all on the same page while online and feel some loss of interest knowing someone might have scored on me due to an "advantage".

That ship never made it to port in the history of online flight sims.

Better computer advantage -- FPS, delay in visual feedback makes difference.
Better net link advantage -- varies with distance from server as well as IP.
Bigger screen advantage.
Better videocard/resolution advantage.
Better controls advantage -- varies with stick settings.

And of course you do not want to have advantage over others either but what choice is there?
Unless you want console game with no upgrade of console and only one screen usable?
Other choice possible -- go play on LAN where each station is identical!

carguy_
10-27-2007, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
That ship never made it to port in the history of online flight sims.

Better computer advantage -- FPS, delay in visual feedback makes difference.
Better net link advantage -- varies with distance from server as well as IP.
Bigger screen advantage.
Better videocard/resolution advantage.
Better controls advantage -- varies with stick settings.


HMMMMMM....something wrong here.....Isn`t this kind of advantage based on LEGAL means and/or choice?

FoxThree
10-27-2007, 07:53 AM
I used the word "advantage" in lieu of cheating so as not too start a diatribe on my definition of cheating
If one has better eyesight, CPU, dexterity, equiptment, etc does not mean they have an advantage. Not if we are all playing onna level playing field. It just means they can get more out of what is programmed in the game not what is added afterwards to make up for poor flight skilz, or the desire to win at all costs.

Your argument sounds to me like someone complaining of getting shot down by another who got more sleep than you did the night before as him having an advantage over you. You both played on identicle game platforms its just the other was better prepared.

Mebbe I should have posted cheat instead of advantage, My bad, but I am not sure to those flying offline it is a cheat or should even be called one.

anarchy52
10-29-2007, 05:27 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Heh.....Oyher day I'm in a FW190A6, wep on flying level at 3.5km, 410kmh I, and watched a LA5 come up from the deck out of a hard turn having shot down another and in roughly 15 seconds, perhaps 5km back climbed to me, fired a split second burst that was like 5 37mm going off in result, then screamed past and up like I had been standing still....


That's quite normal for the La-5 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif))

Bearcat99
10-29-2007, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by carguy_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
That ship never made it to port in the history of online flight sims.

Better computer advantage -- FPS, delay in visual feedback makes difference.
Better net link advantage -- varies with distance from server as well as IP.
Bigger screen advantage.
Better videocard/resolution advantage.
Better controls advantage -- varies with stick settings.


HMMMMMM....something wrong here.....Isn`t this kind of advantage based on LEGAL means and/or choice? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

BINGO!!!

BOA_Allmenroder
10-29-2007, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FoxThree:
I for one would want to be assured we are all on the same page while online and feel some loss of interest knowing someone might have scored on me due to an "advantage".

That ship never made it to port in the history of online flight sims.

Better computer advantage -- FPS, delay in visual feedback makes difference.
Better net link advantage -- varies with distance from server as well as IP.
Bigger screen advantage.
Better videocard/resolution advantage.
Better controls advantage -- varies with stick settings.

And of course you do not want to have advantage over others either but what choice is there?
Unless you want console game with no upgrade of console and only one screen usable?
Other choice possible -- go play on LAN where each station is identical! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The above should be a required post in any thread that contains the arguement 'you just suck at flying and don't know what you're doing.'

I think the IL2 series is the best WW2 aviation flight game going, but the above comments, which I believe to be correct, are the major flaw in this game.

SeaFireLIV
10-29-2007, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by BOA_Allmenroder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:


That ship never made it to port in the history of online flight sims.

Better computer advantage -- FPS, delay in visual feedback makes difference.
Better net link advantage -- varies with distance from server as well as IP.
Bigger screen advantage.
Better videocard/resolution advantage.
Better controls advantage -- varies with stick settings.

And of course you do not want to have advantage over others either but what choice is there?
Unless you want console game with no upgrade of console and only one screen usable?
Other choice possible -- go play on LAN where each station is identical!

The above should be a required post in any thread that contains the arguement 'you just suck at flying and don't know what you're doing.'

I think the IL2 series is the best WW2 aviation flight game going, but the above comments, which I believe to be correct, are the major flaw in this game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is not a flaw with IL2. It`s a flaw with EVERY SINGLE ONLINE GAME. And how could it ever be fixed? Not until every computer hardware, software and games development company become ONE.

And that`s not going to happen for a VERY long time. You`d probably need to be in a different society, like a totalitarian state, for example. Pointless really.

Even so, I do not agree that these things are such disadvantages at all unless a player has severe net connections.