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MBeck
08-16-2005, 07:37 AM
I just had a ride in Freya! Really a uniqe fealing!

In english:
http://www.vulcaniasubmarine.com/PETER%20MADSEN.htm
http://www.vulcaniasubmarine.com/KRAKA.htm

His own website (In danish)
http://www.submarines.dk

Powerke
08-16-2005, 07:42 AM
Very nice sub he build.

But where are the Torpedo tubes and the deck cannon ??

Maybe an idear for his second sub http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FDNYFAN
08-16-2005, 09:01 AM
I think a torpedo is to big for this sub.
Nice work nevertheless

aaronblood
08-16-2005, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Powerke:
Very nice sub he build.

But where are the Torpedo tubes and the deck cannon ??

Maybe an idear for his second sub http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Did you even look at the second link? The second sub he built looks VERY much like a u-boat. In fact it has two forward viewports that look just like open torpedo doors, and a deck viewing turret where the gun mount would be.

Really quite amazing what people can do when given a ridiculous amount of money, free time, and creativity.

Powerke
08-16-2005, 12:59 PM
My god...That Kraka sub looks awesome

I want it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


That thing is prolly a wet dream for al the Subsimmers in here .

I stand corrected m8 sorry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PeterMadsen2005
08-16-2005, 01:35 PM
Sir...

A comment from the designer and part-builder of uboats Freya and Kraka...

You wrote:

"Really quite amazing what people can do when given a ridiculous amount of money, free time, and creativity."

Freya and Kraka are not high cost luxurious hobby uboats - they are hand made and if anything very cheap designs. Freya e.g. was constructed in litte more than one year at a direct material cost in the order of 25000 US dollers. Some 800 man hours went into the project - very little for this sort of thing.

If you download the video found here:

http://www.submarines.dk/?vm=8435

( look in the botton of the danish text page )

You can se what that little thing can do...

The trick is the keep it simple - and safe...from 2002 til now Freya has dived 332 times...and I still cant really anderstand how lucky I was to tumble over that idea...

Take a look here for more IRL homemade submarines: http://www.psubs.org

Best regards,

Peter Madsen

StgShultz
08-16-2005, 02:17 PM
I want to know how you did it holding down a full time job and gave your wife/girlfriend the attention she demands.

Mylo42
08-16-2005, 04:09 PM
Peter,

Unreal !! ...absolutely unreal !. Of course, every single one of us who play SHIII want something like that. Are there any kind of laws governing home made subs in Denmark ? I can see somthing lke that causing quite a fuss. ....which is all the more reason to want one... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Man hours NOT included, what kind of money DOES it take to building something like Kraka ?

I can't get over just how cool that thing is.

aaronblood
08-16-2005, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by PeterMadsen2005:
Sir...

A comment from the designer and part-builder of uboats Freya and Kraka...

You wrote:

"Really quite amazing what people can do when given a ridiculous amount of money, free time, and creativity."

Freya and Kraka are not high cost luxurious hobby uboats - they are hand made and if anything very cheap designs. Freya e.g. was constructed in litte more than one year at a direct material cost in the order of 25000 US dollers. Some 800 man hours went into the project - very little for this sort of thing.

If you download the video found here:

http://www.submarines.dk/?vm=8435

( look in the botton of the danish text page )

You can se what that little thing can do...

The trick is the keep it simple - and safe...from 2002 til now Freya has dived 332 times...and I still cant really anderstand how lucky I was to tumble over that idea...

Take a look here for more IRL homemade submarines: http://www.psubs.org

Best regards,

Peter Madsen

Yeah, but you're talking some serious money here. $25k for materials is not cheap, I imagine the cost of the building to house it, as well as tools, cost of the crane to hoist it, etc, etc. adds up to quite a bit. ...and Kraka, that thing had to cost more than Freya.

You guys may not be rich, but man, you've got some serious $$$ tied up in your hobby. I must say though, a very cool hobby indeed!

Don't get me wrong, the things are cool. But you've got a small fortune invested in those.

I imagine you do something with them now to help fund all the costs? I'll poke around some more in your website and see what you all are up to.

How deep do they go? Is it snorkel depth only?

WilhelmSchulz.-
08-16-2005, 05:40 PM
40m read it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

PeterMadsen2005
08-17-2005, 01:27 AM
Sirs -

I can see that the questione here really is - wht does it take to get at submarine ?

First take a look at http://www.psubs.org - there are quite a few private individuals who has designed and build their own submarines. Most are relatively slow moving drum - or tank shaped desvices - but they dive.

In my own case inspiration was from reading and seeing "Das Boot" so i needed to make a more shipe like design.

Anyway - today the boats are financed by people who take a ride and donate some money to our club - and what started out as my little stupid idea has develuped.

Yestoday I instaled the bulkhead that seperates the controlroom and the mess of the 30 tonne UC3 submarine. With Kraka and Freya finished - all my efforts go into the design of a larger, faster and deaper diving submarine that I can sail around and live onbord. Dispite 30 tonne displacement - room is not very big - but okay.

So its no hobby - never was. Its what I do, and what I love to do - and as long as I can find sponsors or people to take a ride - I dont have to do much else.

Now I am just hoping my PC is powerfull enough to run Silent Hunter II and/or III - because I must have a copy of that game...!

With time Freya´s role will be taken over by Kraka and ultimately UC3 - perhaps the boat will be for sale - just in case someone gets a wet dream of commanding his very own greay wolf...

Regards,

Peter Madsen

The Avon Lady
08-17-2005, 01:37 AM
Two years ago, our family took the plunge to 70 meters in the Yellow Submarine.

I kid you not (http://www.coralworld.com/are/cw/yellowsube.html)!

marino2005
08-17-2005, 01:47 AM
There was a russian diesel sub on sale couple years ago. Quite big one (100+ man crew). We could collect money for it. Time share http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

MBeck
08-17-2005, 03:31 AM
Hi Peter

If you have questions about your HW and SH3, just let me know. Ill help you out.

You have my number http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jonathan

Mylo42
08-17-2005, 05:03 PM
Peter,

.....are you hiring ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Let me know when you are putting Kraka on e-Bay. ....seriously....I would like to know what you get for that thing.

There is no way I could build / buy that (if for no other reason than my wife) but I would take that over an expensive sports car or some cabin at the lake any day. Cheap well...no, but relatively speaking, I'll bet not bad either. It's all relative. $30,000 for a new vehicle used to be INSANE. Now, it's "cheap".

Why dabble with SHIII ? SHIII is for us guys that DON'T have a sub. You just need to get a few buddies together, build some 1/4 scale destroyers or something, and have your own battles at sea. "wasserbombs" full of paint.....paint ball sub/destroyer warfare. Woooo-hooooo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Gunnersman
08-18-2005, 10:07 AM
Mr Madsen,

Very impressive. Im stunned.
Do you control the sub by yourself or does it take more than one person to open and close valves, move the dive planes etc....or is all of that computer controlled(I noticed you were looking at flat screen panels in the video)? I have read in books that mini subs in WW2 were difficult to control because of the complexity of the systems. There were valves to constantly open and close to adjust the ballast of the sub and then the dive planes. Plus you have to worry about propulsion...etc etc...
I am curious..

Word of warning...if you buy SHIII you may not build another sub of your own agian...you will be hooked on the **** game.
Matt

Braunbecker
08-18-2005, 12:43 PM
subs are the past http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif

PeterMadsen2005
08-19-2005, 04:06 AM
Sirs..

Freya can easyly be controled by one man. Her control depends only on trim and ballasttanks - and most of you would be surprised how gentle and easyly one can move vertically...

In a tactical perspective stealth is importent, and to rise from say ten meters to surface and only show the periscobe - is deficult...but not imposible for the trained operator.

Kraka is a more advanced design, and she features forward diveplanes. They are over-sized
so that control can be achived even a low speed.

take a look here:

http://www.bluesky-services.dk/submarine/pages/page_053_uk.html

On those pages you can se pictures of test dives with Kraka - the short version is that submarines work, that theory is much more complex than the practical use...

As for obtaining one of the subs on ebay - well
Kraka just got finished so we would like to sail it...but Freya may be for sale in a not to distant future and at a cost that private individuals may pay...alternative get a garage, an oxygen acetylene flame cut device, and an old fasion welding transformer - and build one yourself - its a good experinece I tell you - you are oalso wellcome to write me on email - the adress is one the homepage http://www.submarines.dk and hae some advice...

Regards,

Peter Madsen

PeterMadsen2005
08-19-2005, 04:18 AM
Hi,

Kraka has been used for simulated sub / versus destroyer wars in the waters off Copenhagen...
The "destroyers" were two high power rib boats, armed with firecrackers that could be fired electrically under water, and the sub - well it was Kraka with a freind and myself onbord.

The game was made by an eventfirm - but it was still fun for us - but the setup demanded that the sub surfaced and surendered after some 30 minutes of playing cat and mouse.

To make it posible for the boats to find us we had been instructed to put up the periscobe every 5 min or so if they lost contact.

This sport could definetly be develuped more...


Regards,

Peter Madsen

Gunnersman
08-19-2005, 08:53 AM
Mr Madsen,
Thanks for the link to your site. What you have done is too cool. Eloquent words...I know.
I have a couple more questions.
Why do you have a snorkel? I wouldnt think you would need it since you will not be living in fear of radar detection from the enemy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Is that something you did for the challenge? Also since you do have a snorkel why does it open up to the flow of water while you are going forward instead of haveing it open up the opposite way. I would be worried that the flow of water while going forward would want to open the flap on top of the snorkel. But then again I dont build whole submarines from nothing.
Just curious.
Thanks,
Matt