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baloneyman777
01-08-2008, 04:45 PM
Hi im new to the game and i am practicing by playing quick play games. Whenever i am flying i find that my plane either drifts up or down. I ried increasing or decreasing power and it still happens. Thanks for listening

blairgowrie
01-08-2008, 04:55 PM
You may need to set up elevator trim in controls.

You have a steep learning curve ahead of you. Stick with it. It gets better with practice.

And welcome to this Forum.

Cajun76
01-08-2008, 05:04 PM
Speed is the difference. Planes are setup to cruise at a certain speed. To counter this, we use trim. Not every plane is equipped with it. Most late war American fighters are equipped with in flight trim on all 3 axis, elevator (up/down), aileron (roll left/right) and rudder (nose left/right (and a small amount of roll)).

Under controls, make sure your trim is mapped. Use keys that will be intuitive to you.

Since you only mention up and down effects, your "Torque/Gyro Effects" must be off in Difficulty. These will cause your a/c (aircraft) to roll slightly opposite to the propeller rotation, and that's where aileron and rudder trim become important.

To use the trim, tap the key/switch you mapped 1-2 times, and see what happens. Your a/c should be flying steady speed and fairly level.

Trim is used to relieve the pilot from the force on the controls, for instance, holding the stick forward to keep from climbing. A trimmed plane also generally flies faster for the same power setting.

Welcome to IL2. Feel free to ask any question. Good luck and

buzzsaw1939
01-08-2008, 05:37 PM
Trim is a pretty hard thing to explain in written word..... That was damn good Cajun! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Airmail109
01-08-2008, 05:52 PM
Fly toward the ground and miss.

Cajun76
01-08-2008, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Trim is a pretty hard thing to explain in written word..... That was damn good Cajun! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Aw shucks, I'm just the friendly, neighborhood Cajun. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif That seemed to be the gist without brain hemorrhage. I used to catch a lot more new guys when I was stationed in Japan, somehow the timezone difference just worked out right. We were all new at some point. It's so easy to pick on the new guys, it's not worth it to me. I'm glad to help. I can't write code for 3rd party programs or stuff like that, so I try to contribute in other ways.

@baloneyman777: Which a/c do you find yourself in the most often? Some aircraft have only one axis of trim, or none at all.

baloneyman777
01-09-2008, 01:03 PM
I usually fly the ME-109 the P-47 or the MiG 10
thanks for the explanaition Cajun i mapped the controls but it is still kinda hard seeing as im only 13 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

again thanks for the help guys

Airmail109
01-09-2008, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by baloneyman777:
I usually fly the ME-109 the P-47 or the MiG 10
thanks for the explanaition Cajun i mapped the controls but it is still kinda hard seeing as im only 13 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

again thanks for the help guys

I started this game at that age in 2001 LAWL

Holy **** time goes quick

Cajun76
01-09-2008, 02:43 PM
No problem, glad to help. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

The trim is not instant, and may take a few moments to see an effect. The Bf-109 has only elevator trim. If you view the a/c from externals and zoom in on the tail, you can see the elevator move up or down when you tap the trim button. You can watch the P-47 rudder and elevator for the same effect.

This is not quite realistic, as the trim tab in reality is a small movable surface on the main control surface. However, the net effect is much the same. (In reality, the 109's entire horizontal stabilizer moved, but I'm trying to keep it simple) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My settings for the Jug, when "Torque and Gyro Effects" are enabled, are 3 taps right rudder, and 1-2 taps right aileron. Different maps have different temperature and altitude profiles, and will affect engine performance, prop efficiency and thereby torque. So try 1 tap at first for ailerons, if it's still rolling too much, add another.

This setting gives an almost hands free, high speed climb at 110%. For a comparison, load the P-47 with maximum bomb load and try the same setting. You'll have to keep the nose up with your stick. But if you add 3 taps nose up, it gives a good, high speed climb with impressive bomb load. After you drop your bombs, you'll notice a higher nose up tendency that normal, so it's a good idea to recenter the elevator. At high speed, it takes 10 or more taps to keep the nose down. Remember to recenter the elevator trim on landing approach as well.

To keep the Jug level at different speeds requires a lot of trim changes to the elevator, just like in real life. But generally, if there are no enemies around, you should keep your speed up and gain more altitude. This is a general rule for most fighters, but extremely important for the Thunderbolt, as it's a poor climber compared to it's rivals.

And if Ai<STRIKE>r</STRIKE>mail can pick it up, there's hope for anybody! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif