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Low_Flyer_MkVb
09-19-2006, 02:05 AM
Admit it, you're all scared of Westland's finest on your six. But our day is coming....oh yes, then we're going to take care of those pesky Luftn00bs and that meddling LStar. Muwwa-ha-ha!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

leitmotiv
09-19-2006, 02:34 AM
Why not? Roll on Whirlwind!

FlatSpinMan
09-19-2006, 03:10 AM
(LStar pulling off rubber face-mask)" And I would've got away with it, too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!

Good luck with your Whirlwind. I look forward to killing it in droves http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

leitmotiv
09-19-2006, 03:38 AM
In your dreams!

Longpo
09-19-2006, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by FlatSpinMan:
Good luck with your Whirlwind. I look forward to killing it in droves http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Not enough of them to shoot down in "droves".

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Siwarrior
09-19-2006, 07:03 AM
ok sorry for the ignorance
but what exactly is this * whirly gig* contraption
is it like a mozzie jut lighter? a night fighter?, interceptor?, mud mover? lol
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p1ngu666
09-19-2006, 07:08 AM
first 4 cannon RAF fighter, plus its a twin..
low altitude fighter/ mud mover. was quick down low.

MEGILE
09-19-2006, 07:08 AM
The Whirllie was a woulda shoulda coulda been, mossie wanna be.

p1ngu666
09-19-2006, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
The Whirllie was a woulda shoulda coulda been, mossie wanna be.

stop fishing in someone elses fishing spot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

megile is a counter fisher http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Viper2005_
09-19-2006, 07:25 AM
I'd like to see it in game, warts & all (major compressibility issues). But I'd rather fly a Hornet

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2915.jpg

Feathered_IV
09-19-2006, 08:55 AM
Me110 vs Whirlwind server anyone? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DIRTY-MAC
09-19-2006, 12:11 PM
LOW FLYER do you know if it was possible to choose to fire only two of the guns on the Whirly instead of all four

AT YOUR SIX!
http://www.flightglobal.com/ImageArchive/PhotoArchive/1939-1945/previews/fa_18161s.jpg
http://www.flightglobal.com/ImageArchive/PhotoArchive/1939-1945/previews/fa_18180s.jpg
http://www.flightglobal.com/ImageArchive/PhotoArchive/1939-1945/previews/fa_18170s.jpg

leitmotiv
09-19-2006, 12:19 PM
It was definitely an interesting airplane. A couple weeks ago I bought an add-on Whirlwind for FS2004. The airplane was not easy to use, if the model was accurate. Takeoff can be difficult. Goes like a bat out of perdition on the deck (for a 1940-42 aircraft). The massed, unsynchronized battery of Oerlikons would have been devastating---no calibration---aim and shoot. With its slats and flaps, it possibly could have surprised a turning 109. Have to use it more. It was pre-Mosquito. Intended as a bomber killer. Should have been available for summer 1940, but production held up for various reasons. RR Peregrin engines cancelled to increase Merlin production and that was it for the Whirlwind.

luftluuver
09-19-2006, 12:45 PM
Armed with 4 Hispano MkIs. (Oerlikon design, Hispano licence)

leitmotiv
09-19-2006, 01:21 PM
Tried it out again. Turns through 180 degrees like a rocket, dastardly torque on takeoff, slats disabled on the production version (I forgot), climbs like a Wellington. Would not give up a Spitfire for it. Here's the details on the model:

http://secure.simmarket.com/product_info.php?products_id=1925

In sum: an airplane which looked a lot hotter than it really was.

Taylortony
09-19-2006, 01:38 PM
you probably have as much chance of getting it as my butt healing over, but sigh.......... I will play ball with ya

http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/ap/whirl.htm

http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/ap/whirl/03-1.jpg

http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/ap/whirl/06-2.jpg

http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/ap/whirl/07-2.jpg

http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/ap/whirl/08-1.jpg

http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/ap/whirl/10-2.jpg

KaleunFreddie
09-19-2006, 02:25 PM
AFAI remember the whirly was a force to be reckoned with... except for it's engines http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

leitmotiv
09-19-2006, 02:25 PM
http://www.classicairframes.com/articles/whirlwindjb_1.htm

VW-IceFire
09-19-2006, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by KaleunFreddie:
AFAI remember the whirly was a force to be reckoned with... except for it's engines http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
The engines were fine...

...when they were running! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Worse than the Napier Sabre's!

LStarosta
09-19-2006, 08:26 PM
Those whorlewinds sunsabetchiz goin' down.

WTE_Ibis
09-20-2006, 02:12 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Taylortony:
you probably have as much chance of getting it as my butt healing over, but sigh.......... I will play ball with ya.
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Have you got an English translation Taylortony?

http://base13.glasnet.ru/text/ap/whirl.htm

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leitmotiv
09-20-2006, 05:59 AM
I have that Profile Publication! Got it brand new in 10 B.C. Kookaburra also published a good monograph on the Whirlwind in the '60's. I just got the 4+ publications on the Wellington and Fulmar and unconditionally recommend them as the absolutely finest aircraft monographs I've seen: exhaustive text on design history, construction, systems, camouflage, and all this with magnificently researched plans. Add to this, English text (published in Czechoslovakia!). I do not yet have their Whirlwind monograph, but I would heartily recommend it sight unseen:

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?FULL=4PLUS16&REM=4PLUS16

leitmotiv
09-20-2006, 07:10 AM
Ex-RAF, ex-Hawker engineer Francis K. Mason has a good section on the Whirlwind in THE BRITISH FIGHTER SINCE 1912 on pages 274-75. The original 1935 specification was for a single-seat fighter armed with four 20mm cannon and capable of 320mph at 15,000 feet. Twin engines was Petter of Westland's idea. The fighter was intended by the specification to be a day and night fighter. Several things did for the Whirlwind (1) The accelerated deliveries of Merlins ordered by the Air Ministry caused the production of the Whirlwind's Peregrin engines to be "severely reduced", (2) the night mission was lost because the Whirlwind was single-seat and the mission was now intended for two-seaters with radar operators; also, the W was found to be difficult to operate at night, and (3) due to slow engine delivery, the single squadron intended for W in 1940 took from May until October to accumulate eight aircraft (thus, it completely missed the Battle of Britain; the second and final squadron to get the W did not start forming until Sept 1941). On the plus side, the prototype was found to be "faster than the Spitfire I below 10,000 feet and, with Frise ailerons, lighter on the controls." As the FS2004 model showed to me, Mason notes "somewhat tricky during take-off and landing as, in the nose-up attitude at low airspeed, the wing tended to blank the elevators." Original Oerlikon 20mms dropped for Hispanos because they did not require greased ammunition---caused another delay in production.

Monty_Thrud
09-20-2006, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Me110 vs Whirlwind server anyone? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm quite surprised there isn't a "Battle of The Twins Server" yet.

leitmotiv
09-20-2006, 02:58 PM
About the only twin matches worth a hang would be the 110G v the Pe-3 and the P-38L 1944 v the 262. Heh heh, a Whirlwind v 110 would be a massacre---the W can turn on a dime---the 110, dearly love it, is a lumbering crate compared to the W. Only way the 110s could own the Ws would be if they caught them flat footed in a bounce.